I haven't seen a post about the experimental section in a while, so here's my nagging question I keep having about it when doing PTs: what section do most of you insert the "experimental" section into your test, and how does it compare to the rest of your score?

On and off I've PTed with an additional, "experimental" section so I can really work on my endurance. I've randomly inserted the experimental section in the middle of the exam, the very last, and the very first section. I generally use a random section from a PT I've done in the past, but several months ago. My "scored" portion of the exam doesn't seem affected by the experimental section being there. I tend to get better and more accurate the further along in the test I am, so adding the experimental first doesn't make me burn out faster or anything. It's more just a nuisance section that annoys me while I'm taking it, but doesn't otherwise effect my overall score.

Even though my overall scored section isn't effected by the experimental, my experimental section is always terrible. The last PT I took (yesterday, actually) I inserted a LR experimental as the first section in which I missed 12 questions! - but overall I actually gained 5 points, finally getting back in the 160s. I'm beginning to think that since my experimental section is 100% dreadful despite the section type or order, that I must have some psychological barrier to doing well on it. Like I "know" it isn't part of my scored section so I don't really try. (That's my theory I tell myself so I don't freak out at the low score, anyway.)

Has anyone else experienced this weird experimental section slump? Are there better ways to drill with it, or should I just keep doing what I'm doing? Or maybe just ignore the experimental section entirely, considering it doesn't seem to negatively effect the other sections?

Rainymood.com and the self control app.

If you're like me and need some white noise while studying, check out rainymood.com :) I'm obsessed with thunderstorms and the sound of birds chirping and this site has both!

Second, since most of our studies nowadays require an internet connection, it's harder to avoid social media and sites such as youtube, reddit, etc. and that's where SelfControl comes in. It's an app that can be downloaded on your Mac or PC that essentially blacklists any websites you have listed for the amount of time you choose ( you can pick from anywhere between15 mins - 24 hrs) I mentioned this app on here a while ago but thought I'd do so again since it has helped me so much with concentrating.

Feel free to share any apps/sites etc. that help you study :)

Hi everyone,

I've taken the LSAT once (last September) and decided to retake the test in June (two weeks from now).

I have been studying rigorously since April and have initially been hitting around the high 150's and low 160's range. Maybe it's because I have been burning myself out. I try to study around 3-4 hours everyday and light studying on weekends. I've been attempting to finish a PT once every other day and then writing down how/what I did wrong on the BR questions I have circled and the questions I actually got wrong.

Recently, I've been dipping.. I was able to get about 5 wrong on a LR section but now I get only about 13 correct.. I'm not sure what's wrong.. I feel like I am understanding the stimulus/questions correctly but I am getting so many questions wrong so I'm obviously not. I have also tried to take at least one entire day off, re-looked at the basics of the LR questions, but none seem to have helped.

Please let me know what you think is wrong/give me some advice!

Hi everyone,

So sorry for the stupid question, but I'm trying to print PT 80 and don't see an icon to print it when it's opened. Am I missing something? How do you print the PTs off?

Thanks!

Ramadan Mubarak to my fellow Muslim 7sagers! Perfect time to recharge our faith and get more LSAT prep in without having to worry about eating/drinking throughout the day :D

would anyone else be in favor of adding a six section preptest option to the proctor on the 7Sage app?

test day is six sections: 4 actual, 1 experimental, 1 written. and six section preptests can help prepare for the grueling nature of test day.

lastly, who is responsible for the remarkable impression of bruce wayne as a proctor?! is it @TheBatman?

I believe that brushing up on English grammar is necessary for RC and LR success. JY also mentions the importance of referential phrasing and grammar in general in the CC. However, I think that it is beneficial to go beyond the grammar lessons covered in the CC and independently build a strong foundation on grammar. By a "strong foundation," I mean the ability to effortlessly capture the grammatical structure of a sentence: being so skilled to the point that one no longer needs to consciously "identify" the grammatical structure, but the grammatical structure just reveals itself to one at a quick glance. It is like unconsciously seeing the skeleton first and then filling in the flesh.

https://www.englishgrammar101.com/

This free website covers grammar pretty comprehensively, if anyone wants to check it out.

I personally have benefited a lot after seriously studying the grammar using the above website: my speed, confidence and accuracy in LR and RC have improved.

Below are my speculations on why a strong grammar foundation is critical for RC and LR success.

Reading accuracy. Oftentimes, the difference between the correct and the incorrect AC lies in a single word, modifier, or even a verb tense. It is really difficult to capture these subtle shell games, because they seem so random and negligible. However, if we really understand the grammar structure of a sentence, then these differences no longer appear so random. They are no longer a hard-to-find nitty-gritty detail; rather, they become structurally pronounced. For example, if we can identify not just the verb of a sentence, but also the nature of the verb (is it an action verb? helping verb? Combination of both? etc) , then the subtle differences in the ACs stand out. If we saw a helping verb in the stimulus (for example, a qualifying "may") but don't see it in the AC, we can articulate the difference in a grammatical language. We can even anticipate the wrong ACs based on the identified grammar structure.

Confidence and speed. As we all know, the LSAT purposefully uses convoluted stimulus structure. It is testing whether we can capture the "essence" of the stimulus while getting rid of and paying less attention to unimportant details. Therefore, when we are reading a stimulus, we practice identifying the premise and the conclusion and reorganizing the stimulus in a way that the essence of the stimulus is more pronounced.

Reading a sentence is the same thing; the LSAT purposefully employs convoluted sentences to make active reading difficult. However, reading becomes easier when we understand the grammar well. The essence of each sentence is the subject and the verb; they are like the premise and the conclusion equivalent of a stimulus (in terms of the relative importance). Identifying the subject and the verb, and then reorganizing the sentence in terms of the distilled essence-- "who did what" --improves speed and retention, because we know exactly what happened in each sentence. This in turn helps with confidence in RC and LR, because no matter what kind of complicated sentence or difficult topic is thrown at us, we know that we will be able to distill it down to the core and understand what is going on. No sentence is daunting anymore.

If you are struggling with active reading and accuracy in general, you might want to brush up on grammar b/c of these reasons. I certainly struggled a lot with mindlessly reading a paragraph, not retaining anything, and going back to the beginning completely panicking.

Is there anyone in the Peoria, Illinois area who would be willing to practice Logic Games with me? I could use a little help.

I'm sort of in a dilemma: I use a watch because I need to keep track of time in each section, but when I look at my watch and if I see I'm a bit behind my pacing, then I get stressed about not having enough time to finish a section, and do worse!

RC is a good example. Sometimes I'll get to the last passage with, say, 6 minutes left, but then I get stressed that's not enough time to answer all of the questions, and I ultimately do worse overall on that section than if, I imagine, I kept on going and maybe did not reach the last question. Same with LR; if I don't finish the first 10 in 10, then I feel pressured to rush through the next questions, and see my performance drop overall.

The takeaway seems that I need to improve on timing so I don't feel rushed (which I imagine also will improve my LSAT confidence). I've also thought about no longer using a watch.

Has anyone else been in a similar situation or have any advice?

Hey, anybody out there scoring 170 on their practice LSATs? I'm beginning my studying, and I want to make sure I kill it and do it right. How are you going about it? Do you make sure that you're only studying in absolute silence or something? Always in a library/ in your favourite chair at home? Have some sort of night ritual that helps it all sink in? My GPA is 3.9, so I think I have a real chance at bringing in a high score. Much appreciated.

Hi Guys,

I got accepted for testing accommodations for the lsat in a few weeks. I viewed the confirmation letter and it says that I am testing on 6/17 and report time is 830. Is this correct? It isn't June 12 like everybody else?

There was a logic game that has like 12 days or something, and the rules made it so day 1 was equivalent to day 7, day 2 equal to day 8, day 3 to day 9, etc. Do you guys know which game it was?

Hello everyone!

This may be a really silly question, but does anyone know if when we sit to take the actual LSAT if it is printed double or single sided? I have been studying using single sided PTs since I think it's helpful for the logic games/reading comprehension to be able to see everything without flipping the page over constantly. But it would be nice to know what it will actually be like on the LSAT so I can study in the most realistic way possible.

Thank you all :)

I've studied for the LSAT before, but I've never PT'd with logic games that are only on one page. How do you deal with this?

Hey guys!

I was hoping to get some opinions on this.....

I put up a post a while back about HOW I should undertake studying for the LSAT. I purchased the Ultimate package and I'm starting to study again..but facing the same struggle I faced the first time, "Do I want to go to law school? Why am I taking this test?" I don't know any lawyers personally, so I'm basing all of my ideas off books, blogs, and websites. I met with a pre-law advisor and he asked what I'd majored in. When I answered history and told them that I also just finished my MA (again in history), he told me that obviously I had a passion and should follow that passion. I've thought about teaching, but I've also read negative things about that too. If someone were to ask me, "why teach history?" I'd be able to run you down a list of reasons why. Ask me "why law?" I'd give you a blank stare...the only semi-positive being the opportunity to earn more.

Anyway...sorry for the long post. Basically, I was wondering if anybody else feels this from time to time - should you be 100% sure law school and being a lawyer is for you before taking this test and investing time (and money)? Do people feel "passion" for the law or being a lawyer?

Thanks! xo

Hey guys! I pushed back my test from June to September because my job had become a little more demanding for me this past spring (we slow down over the summer). I would love to stay in the Philadelphia area and would also love to go to Temple. I'm aiming for a 160 on my LSAT but my diagnostics and my past two preptests have been in the 140s, BRing in the 150s. LR seems to be the hardest for me so I decided to get the LSAT Trainer and work through Mike Kim's LR drills. TIP: If anyone finds that LR is also hard for them, I think Kim's explanations and drills are EXTREMELY helpful. I'm super excited to get started on the September BR calls. I think I'll really be able to up my score by having a core schedule each week. I've been finding it difficult to get on that train with ya know... life.

Anyways, I was wondering if my stats looked good for a school like Temple or above that and/or if any female URM has had the same stats as me and where they have gotten accepted into.

-URM female (black and puerto-rican)

GPA: 3.67

LSAT- Aiming for the 160s

Major: Political Science and Spanish

Work Experience- I've only been out of school for two years but I've worked 5 years in PA politics and now currently work for a Global Investigations company- between the two of these career paths I'll have great LR's (DOJ attorneys, WH advisors (former, def not current haha), various agencies, and a PA inspector general).

I'm hoping with all of this combined it will give me a really good shot at some schools! What do you guys think?

Hi,

I was wondering, would I be permitted (legally) to share with others pdf copies of preptests I've already bought? Reason being is I'd like to get the more recent PTs but I don't want to pay the $7+ per test. I have every PT from 1 to 77 in pdf format and I was wondering if it would be legally permissible to simply exchange PDFs of tests with others instead of having to buy them ourselves.

Admin edit: Sharing/selling/buying PDFs is against LSAC's TOS, now that they're banned.

I honestly did not think I could break into the 170's. But on Friday I scored 174 on PT 76.

I just let go of the results of each test and did my best to BR every test.

Something that really helped me was BRing the next day. I was too excited to check my score and so the bulk of my br's were sloppy. Once I did that I got a few 169's and lo and behold

A couple of week out from the June 2017 LSAT and FLAW type LR questions are still plaguing me. If you were to spend 2-3 days just handling FLAW with a series of focused drills, what would you do?

Thanks!!!

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It's not that I don't understand the questions or that I can't get the correct answer; I can. I'm just really slow. For example, I find that for LR and RC sections I have to read the stimulus twice before I can select the correct answer because I don't understand what it says the first time. So, I spend at least 1min per LR question. Is there any way for me to improve my reading comp so I'm not so slow?

Hello all!!

I'm currently enrolled in the Lsat starter program but want to upgrade to the Ultimate + level. However, I noticed that originally if you first bought the ultimate + you should have access for 18 months. But when upgrading from the started to the ultimate + it just says that you would get an additional 3 months access (which would be a total of 6 months access to the program since the starter gives you 3 months access). Does anyone know if this is a mistake and if I will actually get a total of 18 months access if I upgrade to the ultimate + rather than just an additional 3 months of access?

Thank you!!

[Admin note: Ultimate+ includes 12 months now]

I know 7sage has difficulty ratings of all the LG sections, but is there something similar for CR/LR? I'm trying to figure out which final PTs to take before writing in June, and I'd like to take at least 2 of the harder overall tests (I've left most of the 70's available for this purpose) and an easier one to boost confidence before test day.

Something completely different than what I have printed.

So i am just finishing the CC and i am gonna start applying all the methods for LG's that we learnt. I was wondering what the best methods for drilling would be. I would really appreciate any suggestions.