Proctors: 2 female proctors (1 of whom seemed very experienced). Followed the rules precisely, but were personable and never distracting.

Facilities: Clean, modern, and very well lit. Very new building amongst the school's fine arts facilities. Westmont has a beautiful manicured mediterranean campus which I found helped me relax and enjoy the day. Great space to walk around before the test. Bathrooms close--across the courtyard.

What kind of room: Spacious tiered classroom. Far larger than needed. A bit chilly--I kept my fleece jacket on for most of the test (or maybe it was just nerves that made it feel cold??)

How many in the room: I believe there were a total of 15 test takers. Certainly no more than 20.

Desks: Long, continuous bolted-down table style desks in each row. Tons of space--I had an entire row to myself and all the desk space I could have ever needed. Chairs were padded.

Left-handed accommodation: I am left-hand and due to the nature of the desks (see above) it was ideal.

Noise levels: I didn't experience any distracting sounds or noise levels, inside or outside the room. One test taker had a squeaky chair, but it was discovered before the exam began and the proctor allowed him to change seats (for the benefit of all).

Parking: Easy, free (no pass or permit needed), and close to the testing room. Not even a gatehouse to worry about.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: I didn't keep track, but it seemed about as efficient as one would expect. We did have to wait outdoors beforehand (no hallways), but the weather was beautiful as it almost always is in Santa Barbara, so this was not an issue.

Irregularities or mishaps: None.

Other comments: I believe the Westmont test center is probably capped at 15 or 20 test takers, mostly to accommodate Westmont students. Not being a Westmont student myself, though, I was able to get in. Just be sure to register early if you want this site, otherwise you're stuck with UCSB and we all know what happened there in December 2015!

Would you take the test here again? Absolutely! I cannot imagine a better test center.

Date of Exam: December 2015.

Hi all,

I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas on how I can use my iphone to record myself doing an LR section.

I'm particularly looking to focus my camera for a clear view of my paper in order to identify how long I am taking per question.

I think it would also be useful for other purposes as well, ie critiquing my LG method.

I'm trying to go for the same quality as we see with videos of other 7sagers doing logic games.

Does anyone know how they do it? Ie what camera they use, what mount they use for the camera etc.?

Thanks!

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Now that scores are in, congrats to everyone who took the February LSAT. Whether you blew it away or just plain blew it, you’ve worked hard and deserve mad respect.

So I just got my Feb score, not particularly high but it’s good enough to get me into the school I desire. During my study, I benefited enormously from this community. So I’d like to say thank y'all and in return I have a couple of things to give: a 180watch, a copy of the Trainer, PT 69 & 70. I thought, to be fair, I’d like to offer these to the first person to contact me who is eligible for an LSAT waiver. Please just private message me. Again thanks and good luck everyone on your future endeavors!

U.S. News is going to release the new law school rankings on Wednesday, March 16th.

Hi all,

I have been studying off of the Powerscore for a month or so before signing up with 7Sage. I have made some great gains through Powerscore but I felt I needed something more. I didn't want to take an onsite class after reviewing some of the instructors ( they can really make or break a learning experience) and found that online studying's self pace makes it easy to adjust the curriculum to one's learning curve.

I was just wondering if anyone has switched from a self study like Powerscore to 7Sage, how are you studying? Do you supplement 7Sage with the self study book?

In my case, I have the Powerscore material and am thinking about going through the core curriculums simultaneously. For example, I would watch all 7Sage "main point" videos and then jump straight into Powerscore "main point" chapter right after. I'm not sure if that double whammy would work for or against me. The concerns are 1. conflicting techniques that counter each other and 2. time (it would take way more time to go through both)

Then another thought is to just go through the 7Sage core curriculum as soon as possible so I can jump into the PT's, since the actual PT's will be the true studying. ... any thoughts, comments, suggestions are welcome.

Please excuse typos.

How exactly does yield protecting work? Is it just a case of a particular school encouraging applications from people that they know will have no chance of being accepted? Or, do they somehow use the waitlist to jiggle the numbers? I just saw some videos where even the highest ranked schools are encouraging applications very late in the cycle. Which schools are known to yield protect the most? Thanks.

Proctors: For the most part, the proctors seemed like they knew what was going on. I had no issues with them. They chatted before and during breaks, but were not distracting during the test. They walked around a little bit, but not irritatingly so. They were clearly students, but I'm not sure if law students or not.

Facilities: There were bathrooms just outside the lecture halls/test rooms. For the males, the bathrooms were busy on break, but I could get in and out pretty quick. Just outside the building there is a Starbucks that wasn't too busy and with a bathroom too.

What kind of room: It was what I've noticed to be the modern law school setup. It was a lecture hall with continuous desk/table layout divided into three sections. Perfect lighting, and even better, the desk space was amazing! You could have everything laid out with plenty of space. Each row was on its own level, and all levels were separated by one step.

How many in the room: About 60, with the room about 70% full. Was not cramped at all.

Desks: The desks were lecture hall styled continuous running desks. So everyone in the same row is pretty much on the same desk as it runs across the hall. The middle section had as many as 5 or 6, while the side sections had a max of 2.

Left-handed accommodation: With continuous desks, I don't see this as an issue.

Noise levels: Very low, I didn't even hear anyone else turn their text book pages. Seemed really odd to me how quiet it was.

Parking: I think there was free street parking by the school, but it was early and I didn't trust the street sign. I opted to park in the Seattle University visitor lot which costs $6.00 for 12 hours on the weekend. The visitor lot is just a 2 minute walk from the law school building.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: LSAC said check in by 8:30, but the proctors didn't start checking in people until 8:30. By the time they processed all the testers and sent them to their respective lecture halls to start the test, it was around 9:30.

Irregularities or mishaps: None.

Other comments: The proctors sat the testers front to back as they checked in. If you want to sit in front, get in line early. If you want to sit in back, get in the back part of the line.

Would you take the test here again? Yes, absolutely. It really was about perfect. If I were to change anything, I'd show up at 8:30. I showed up at 8:00 and had to wait until almost 9:00 just to get a seat.

Date[s] of Exam[s]: 06 FEB 2016

I put a call into the admission office of a top half T14 school that I am very interested in - just to ask them if they would have any issue with me being on their campus, visiting the library, etc. with all of the various chaos going on nowadays. I am a couple of years away at minimum from applying (which I explained on the phone) so I did not ask to formally meet with anyone senior. The person I talked to was very nice and asked that when I came onto campus to come over to the office because they wanted to meet me and have me talk with the director of the specific program I am interested in. Is it too early??

Proctors:

They were extremely friendly and really made the experience a little less stressful. I found the proctors from this center to be younger compare to ones from another site, thus they were more understanding and helpful. They did their job well without being mean or rude like the ones we usually encounter in test settings.

Facilities:

Northwestern University is has beautiful facilities, the campus is incredible and just very inspirational for a test day. The buildings are well conserved too, which is important for a test setting.

What kind of room:

The room was a typical university/college room. Very clear and bright, which for me really helps, since there is no distractions and it is easier to read in that kind of room.

How many in the room:

I believe there were about 40 people in the room.

Desks:

The desks were long once piece furniture with unmovable chairs right in front of it. The proctors made each student skip a chair to sit (so there was one chair occupied and the following not), which was perfect because I had enough space to be comfortable and place my test materials.

Left-handed accommodation:

The way the desk is set up it accommodates right and left-handed students in the same way.

Noise levels:

Very very quiet, the proctors made sure the environment was quiet and they reprehended lousy test takers (in a polite manner).

Parking:

They have a parking for visitors, it is very easy to find and in the middle of the campus. I didn't have a hard time with it at all.

Time elapsed from arrival to test:

The exam started around 9:00. So not too much waiting time!

Irregularities or mishaps:

None, I thought this place was perfect as a test center.

Other comments:

I been in other ones and this one was by far my best experience. Everything just helped me to take the test feeling relaxed, which is kind of rare, since I usually feel stressed even during the practices. It is definitely worth making a trip even if you liver farther away. The test center is such an important piece of the puzzle and it is better to be safe than sorry.

Would you take the test here again?

Definitely. I would recommend this test site to everyone thinking of taking the LSAT around this area.

Date[s] of Exam[s]:

February 06,2016

Hi folks,

I'm currently on the section of our syllabus that requires us to draw valid conclusions. I can't seem to figure out why/when to fail sufficient and necessary conditions.

(i.e.) Y-->G-->H-->B

/H

Can someone help explain?! Much appreciated!

Proctors: Older volunteers

Facilities: Tests are administered in classrooms at Suffolk Law. Bathrooms are accessible.

What kind of room: Classroom. No windows.

How many in the room: 25-35

Desks: We sat evenly spaced along long tables. It was a comfortable set up--room to spread

Left-handed accommodation: yes

Noise levels: Dead silent. The room had no windows so no ambient noise could seep in

Parking: Street parking and school lot

Time elapsed from arrival to test: No irregularities in time

Irregularities or mishaps: N/A

Other comments:

Would you take the test here again? yes

Date[s] of Exam[s]: 10/15

First, are we allowed to discuss which section was experimental on a nondisclosed test? And second, if so, anyone who took it want to help figure out which sections were experimental? I had two LG sections.

Took LSAT twice at the same location, so, if necessary, each time will be denoted (1) for the first time, or (2) for the second time

Proctors: (1) Proctor in my room was an older gentleman who was quite strict with the guidelines and the time limits. Although he made things clear this created a bit of a tense environment. (2) It was a younger gentleman who was instantly more casual and relaxed than the first proctor, but he still made the rules and time limits clear and enforced them well without causing as much stress the first time around.

Facilities: The building has multiple floors with the bathrooms on each floor, so there are options to those who may need to use the restroom. There were also a few vending machines located on the main level so a drink or a snack could be purchased before the test, or during the break. There are multiple theatres in the building that are used for the LSAT test.

What kind of room: A lecture theatre with bright fluorescent lights that is also equipped with an over head projector and microphone.

How many in the room: About 60 - 80 in the one room. Probably double that for amount of test takers at this overall location

Desks: Multiple rows of fixtured in tables (thus the tables were not unsteady or wobbly) with two sets of stairs creating a large middle section and smaller left and right sections. There was ample space for your writing and test materials.

Left-handed accommodation: Since the desks were long tables and you were not forced to write on one side over the other, there should be little no problem for left-handed individuals.

Noise levels: Both times there was no noise in the room and to my recollection no noise issues coming from outside the room either.

Parking: On UBC campus there are multiple parkades around and one parkade near the building you take the test in. But you will have to pay for parking anywhere you go on UBC campus. There are also several transit routes that can take you to UBC so the location is quite accessible from almost anywhere in Vancouver.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: (1) 45 minutes (2) 15-20 minutes

Irregularities or mishaps: (1) Proctor used a time that was shown on the overhead projector. (2) A timer was not shown on the overhead projector because in a time before the proctor got into trouble for using it

Other comments: This location was fairly good overall to take the test. The only thing that made a difference for me was the proctor. The proctor during my first test was more strict and created a tense atmosphere, which stressed me out a bit, but the second time around the proctor was more relaxed, which put me at ease more so than the previous one.

Would you take the test here again? Yes

Date[s] of Exam[s]: June 8, 2015; December 5, 2015

Did anyone notice a Sept 2016 date on the lsac website. I was just looking at registering and saw that the date after June was Sept 2016 not Oct .. wonder if it just a typo.

Proctors: The proctors were faculty and students at UDC law school and were relatively no-nonsense and once in the rooms, accommodated the best they could.

Facilities: lines for the bathroom were long, and there wasn't a lot of waiting room in the hallways

What kind of room: Lecture room, with the kind of long desks that wrap around the center of the room.

How many in the room: About 75

Desks: Long desks in rows

Left-handed accommodation: because of the long rows, no worries on being left-handed

Noise levels: Not bad once you were in the building.

Parking: Really easy, there was plenty of parking in the neighborhood right next to the building. A lot of people also metro-ed which is also easy as there's a metro station right across the street.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: A long time. We were told to arrive at least 45 minutes before the exam but it was at least an hour and a half until we actually started. The check in line to get into the rooms were really slow.

Irregularities or mishaps: During break, they had to take us down to the next floor (with supervision) because the lines for the bathroom were so long. Also, kids would leave to go to the bathroom right before a section/before the exam began. Not the proctors fault necessarily but it made the exam take that much longer which was really frustrating.

Other comments: Nothing, really. Not a bad place to take the exam, and much better than other places in the area from what I could tell from friends.

Would you take the test here again? Sure. As much as it was not a pleasant experience, that was much more about the actual exam than about the test center. The long desks were great--plenty of room to spread out!

Date[s] of Exam[s]: Oct 2015

Proctors: My particular proctor was really anal about following the instructions exactly, and even threatened to kick someone out. The others were normal, no problems.

Facilities: Nice. It's on the St. Paul campus of the University which has mostly the graduate schools, so it's much quieter than the main campus. There were 3 or so different classrooms that people took the test in so it wasn't too crowded. Nice waiting area for the break.

What kind of room: Small classroom, good lighting

How many in the room: 40ish

Desks: Fold out table, 2 to a table. A tad small, but it still was more than enough space.

Left-handed accommodation: N/A

Noise levels: Very quiet

Parking: There was a big lot behind the building, as well as a big parking ramp. It might be worth scouting out the location before test day just so you know where you're going.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: I don't recall exactly, but I remember being surprised at how quick it got started. Probably about 30 minutes.

Irregularities or mishaps:

Other comments: All in all I was pleasantly surprised. I'd definitely recommend this test center.

Would you take the test here again? Absolutely

Date[s] of Exam[s]: December, 2015

Proctors: Very kind and sweet

What kind of room: Classroom

How many in the room: 50-55?

Desks: Awful! These are the desk that you once used when you were 4. All you need to know to understand this frustration is that the table connects to the seat!!

Left-handed accommodation: Not that I saw

Noise levels: Extremely low

Parking: Phenomenal- a parking garage is literally across the street from the building.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: About 30 minutes

Irregularities or mishaps: The proctor kept pacing in between seat rows... This was horrifying. She must have knocked my elbows twice! The room was packed with desks and there was not much space I tried my best not to let it bug me, but it was impossible.

Would you take the test here again? Absolutely, not.

Date[s] of Exam[s]: Feb. 06, 2016

Proctors: Efficient, but lax about the rules including bags and items. Did not check materials brought into the room with too much scrutiny.

Facilities: Excellent, renovated building with cafe, bathrooms, and seating area

What kind of room: Lecture hall style classroom

How many in the room: ~50

Desks: connected arc of table space, plenty of room

Left-handed accommodation: no idea

Noise levels: quiet

Parking: Took public transit

Time elapsed from arrival to test: 45 minutes

Irregularities or mishaps: someone brought a shopping bag and they let them leave it up front, they also let someone leave early to catch a flight

Other comments:

Would you take the test here again? Yes

Date[s] of Exam[s]: June 2015

Proctors: Three each time. In December, they were a bit too chatty for my liking; tried a bit too hard to be funny. In February, the proctors were brief, concise, quiet, and even used their own electronic stopwatches to get the time accurate to the second.

Facilities: Includes cloak room and very nice bathrooms. Nice heaters. Large desks and comfortable chairs. No vending machines. Not sure if they have water fountains either. Two clocks in the room but would still recommend a wrist watch as you may be too far from the clock. In December I got to choose my seat; in February, seats were assigned by the proctor.

What kind of room: Classroom-esque

How many in the room: I think it was 5 X 5

Desks: Nice, spacey, and comfortable

Left-handed accommodation: No need. Desks are spacey.

Noise levels: Not loud.

Parking: Not sure. Well connected to public transportation though.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: In the December test, it took 30 minutes for everyone to get registered, and then 30 minutes for instruction. In February, only 15 minutes or so for registration. Same for instruction.

Irregularities or mishaps: None.

Other comments: There was one little mouse going in and out of a corner during the February test, but I think I was the only one who saw it. The building itself is fairly new though.

Would you take the test here again? For sure.

Date[s] of Exam[s]: December 2015, February 2016

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-59-section-2-question-21

Struggling so hard with why C is right and E is wrong. I didn't like either answer choice but under time pressure, chose E because thought C was challenging the premise. I've watched JY's vid and read the available forum posts. I get that "implausible" leaves room for the premise to be bent. But all this is just muddled in my brain now.

I'd really appreciate it if someone could explain this in a different way so I can find a way for this to stick in my head and figure out how to attack similar questions in the future and where I went wrong!

For Flawed Method of Reasoning section, Manhattan LR only talks about "mismatch between premises and conclusion" and "causation" whereas 7sage and Powerscore talk about many different types of recurring flaws.

I was just wandering why Manhattan chose to do so. Anybody has an idea?

Thanks!

Just some Confusion on statement with both "and" and "or" in the stimulus. For example how would I draw a conditional statement with a stimulus like "If A or B than C and D" and ho would you negate this statement as well. may be a dumb question but having trouble drawing it out, especially while splitting the 'or" in the Sufficient and the "and" in the necessary