Name That Fallacy!

(name as many as you like & feel free to add more!)

Hey Everyone. I just wanted to say how thankful I am that I discovered 7sage. I never could have imagined finding such a great community to learn from and a format that allowed me to go at my own pace and fit my personal study needs.

I just completed the December LSAT and I have to say it's hard to not think about the potential score! However, I wanted to share some thoughts with those that may be new to the community or have been studying recently. It is incredibly easy to get discouraged by such a daunting test. If you find yourself doubting your abilities, wondering if you should just pursue something else and have high levels of anxiety about the test- believe me, that's normal. The preparation for the test is a psychological battle with yourself. The only thing really standing in your way from doing YOUR BEST, is YOU. I wrote the LSAT 3 times. The first time, I did it on a whim to just get a feel for the test. Let's just say that if you go in scoring a 148, expect a 148. My second time, I did not do enough preparation. I figured that doing a couple of timed sections back to back or some studying here and there would make the difference in achieving a high 150. OH BOY LETS JUST SAY I WAS SUPER WRONG! I received another 148 on my second test and wow was I ever shocked and dejected. I couldn't believe it. I waited out the application process and nearly got into one law school but it didn't end up happening. I was at a cross roads, I had one last chance, I had failed now twice (even though the first one was really just to see what it was like) and I was wondering if I should just walk away from the test. I thought, I could always apply as a mature student and hopefully bump up my LSAT in the future. In the first week of September, I came across 7sage, I said to myself that I would rather give it MY ALL and fail then not even try.

For those of you feeling discouraged by unsuccessful previous attempts or a lack of success in studying, understand that if you put the TIME, EFFORT AND COMMITMENT you can improve. Before this saturday's test, I scored a 160 on the September LSAT. I never dreamed that I could do it because I had allowed myself to feel dejected and to think that I couldn't do it. Believe me, the test is not easy but you can improve. If you want to go to law school and that's your end goal, you need to give this test your all. It won't be easy, there will be times when you want to give up but if you put the time and effort in -NO HALF ASSING TRUST ME!!! you will improve and you will do YOUR BEST!

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If anyone has a question, wants some advice feel free to message. Just remember, 7sage is a community and we are here to help each other.

Good luck to those studying for Februarys Test.

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Hi all!

Having taken the LSAT at both Drexel (July 2019) and Temple (2015 December and 2017 February) I thought I would pass along a review for those who are interested. Bottom line: Temple is great, Drexel is terrible.

Temple:

Students are about 15-20 to a room and each has their own table with a chair. You have lots of room for spreading your materials out and the lighting in the room is nice. The chairs are comfortable and there is plenty of leg room. The proctors know what they are doing and it's easy to get in/out, there is a water fountain, and the temperature is appropriate. The parking wasn't an issue either time I went, but those were weekend tests so I would recommend a parking garage for any weekday testing in the future.

Drexel:

One huge auditorium for everyone (60 people?). The auditorium has rows of chairs arranged in three columns (something like 5-10-5 on chair distribution). The geniuses in charge decided to put all of us in the middle column, so that there were four in a row. There is no space to walk out of the middle of the row of chairs without forcing people to fold down their little tables, stand up, and let the person pass. This means that if someone in a middle row needs to use the bathroom during the test, the people on the end will have to put their test away and stand up twice to let them through. When they handed out the test, they made everyone fold down their tables so the person could squeeze through each row of chairs. They then realized they forgot to collect admissions tickets, so they had to do it all over again. Repeat for pre-break and post-break. All in all, it was pretty annoying to have to put your stuff away constantly, especially when they could have put half the test takers on the side columns and thereby created free rows to walk through as proctors. Additionally, the rows are so closely packed together that anyone over 6 feet tall will have serious difficulty being comfortable during the test. I am 5'11" and my back hurt by the end of the test from being in such cramped conditions.

The tables that fold out from your chair are too small for the paper version of the test. The paper extended significantly over the edge, and I broke a pencil tip by accidentally writing off the table. It also necessitated an annoying back-and-forth motion between the answer sheets and the test booklet. I can't even imagine how the tablets are going to fit on these tables with the scratch paper. I think it will prove to be a serious challenge to anyone taking the test there in the future.

The water fountain was also broken at the test center, so there was nothing for people to drink who either didn't bring water or who brought something else (I brought some iced coffee but then had to live with dry mouth for the rest of the exam).

The proctors stamped around as they watched you take the test, and stood VERY close to you when they stopped (I had one basically brushing legs with me at one point).

The room was also insanely cold. I had jeans and a jacket on, and don't get cold easily, and thought it was on the frigid side. I saw one student who only had a t-shirt hugging herself for warmth during the break.

There were also a few semi-inflated helium balloons floating at the ceiling, which could potentially fall on a test taker during the exam. That's not a big deal but it also shows a lack of attention to detail by the test center.

All in all, I would NOT recommend Drexel as a test taking site.

Holy crap did anyone else get destroyed by PT 82? Especially LR S1

I saw only one review. And it mentioned long tables, however, in Angell Hall there are only the little pop-up tables. How will this work for the digital LSAT?

Hi everyone, I’m looking for a tutor in the NYC area, preferably a tutor that can meet in person. I need help particularly with logic games and I also need some help with the logical reasoning.

Please email me so we can discuss - for October LSAT briandgoldsworthy@hotmail.com

Hi folks,

On average for a single Practice Tests, I will have a combined 5-7 questions marked for BR on Logical Reasoning. I have now reached the point where every single time I mark something for BR, I actually got it right the first time. The good news is that upon BR, I agree with my first answer so at least I am consistent.

The bad news is that every single question I get wrong I don't even mark. So the issue is I that I'm ignorant of what I'm getting wrong. I'm scoring fairly highly (high 160's - low 170s) but this pattern is starting to bother me. Does this mean I am plateau'ing or reaching my ceiling? I will say that most of the time my wrong answers are due to misreading or falling for easy traps that are pretty easily understood once I actually look at the question, granted this is with the hindsight of having seen the answer key and knowing that my answer choice is wrong.

What do you think?

Hi,

I applied to a school before getting my LSAT score. I was wondering if anyone had any experience with how long it usually takes for LSAC to send your completed report to schools?

Thanks!

I'm a dummy and I forgot to take off my watch during the Writing sample and just got a notice that it was disqualified.

Since this is self-proctored I just wanted to remind everyone to take watches off! and also to show both sides of your paper since the automated proctor never prompts you to do that...

Hi everyone, just wondering where it would be possible to get more material to practice my MP questions? Thanks!

Hi all I was hoping I'd crush PT74 with the +50% accommodations box ticked as I was recently approved for accommodations. I found some very interesting points:

For RC and LR questions that took me over 3:00, I got 3/11 correct. That's 27% of getting a question right if I'm going past the 3:00 mark; I think this shows there's a fundamental problem going on for that question that I'm just not gonna figure out, so guess and move on basically, don't waste time and energy.

RC and LR questions from 2:00-3:00 I got 10/14 right which is 71% accuracy.

RC and LR questions from 1:30 - 2:00 I got 9/12 which is 75% right.

RC and LR questions that took 1:00 - 1:30 I had 86% accuracy, getting 25/29 questions right.

Alarmingly, for questions that took less than 1:00 on LR and RC, I had 100% accuracy, getting 16/16 right.

What's going on for LR and RC is I basically knew the answer fast or not at all. More time doesn't didn't mean significantly more accuracy for me.

For LG: oddly the results were not the same at all for answering fast. As a caveat, I do consistently go -0 to -2/3 with more time, on one game in particular I got 3 wrong in a row which is not usual for me.

(1:00, I got 70% 7/10 right

1:00 - 1:30, I got 87% 7/8 right

1:30 - 2:00 1/1 questions right(/p)

2:00 75% 3/4 right

For LG I missed 5 questions total and 60% of those incorrect answers took me less than a minute to get wrong. My takeaway from this would be don't rush, with extra time focus more on POE, and I need to keep foolproofing. What's especially odd is generally if you make a fundamental mistake you end up coming across an LG question where things just don't feel right, or you can POE all the answers, indicating you made a mistake in setup or rules. That didn't happen here so I need to find out what went on.

This is a sample size of only 1 test so take this with a grain of salt. Hope you enjoyed the read

Hey everyone, pretty new to the application process and thought you all could help with my question. I am currently towards the GPA 25th percentile (3.45) and the median LSAT (164) for my target/reach schools. I have been working for a few years now, and I think I have time to study hard for the December LSAT to boost my score a few more points. However, I know applications are reviewed on a rolling basis and would prefer to submit my application as soon as possible.

Is it recommended to apply after I have received my December scores, before I receive my December scores or just go with what I currently have?

Any input would be a huge help, thanks!

We woke up today to find that our old name server host was having intermittent problems. Luckily, we already selected a new name server host and were ready to move. We pushed forward the migration to the new name server host immediately. Thankfully this shifted most of the internet traffic to our new host before the old one failed completely.

But, there are still occasionally problems in some areas, and this will gradually get better while everything stabilizes. Access may be intermittent for a couple of days for a few students, particularly in NY USA, Turkey, China, and New Zealand. The situation was worst about 4 hours ago. It's much better now, and should be completely better in a couple of days.

There is still one more phase to the migration - changing the domain registrar - that we won't be able to do for a few days. Theoretically there should be no downtime for this, and I will do everything I can to prevent/minimize downtime.

tldr: Some of you may experience intermittent trouble accessing 7sage.com over the next couple of days, particularly in NY, Turkey, China and New Zealand.

Sorry for the trouble and thank you for your patience!

Hi everyone,

My name is Ken Kim. Let me briefly introduce myself. I used to attend Northeastern University School of Pharmacy in Boston then transferred to the University of Utah Asia Campus in Songdo, Incheon. I graduated from the school in 2018 with a bachelor's degree in communication. I, then, enrolled at Johns Hopkins University Advanced Academic Program for my master's degree in communication. I graduated from the said school in 2021 and am currently committed full-time studying for the LSAT while doing a part-time tutoring for international students. I recently moved to Gangnam from Songdo, Incheon and am looking for friends to study with me at Gangnam Station. We can study at the Wing Study Cafe, which is literally right next to Exit 9 of Gangnam Station. The rate for using the study cafe per person is 1,700 KRW for each hour. We can meet up with up to four people due to the government restriction. I am currently doing the game section of the 7Sage CC. Please reply to this thread or send me a DM, and we can immediately get started with studying for the LSAT.

Hi all,

I hope this isn't a dumb question, but I was hoping someone could explain to me their study process once you finish the curriculum and take PTs. I've taken 10 PTs so far, and I am seeing trends of things I need to work on... should I be going back to core curriculum and other resources or should I keep taking tests? What if I fall behind in the schedule that 7Sage sets up? I am supposed to take two PTs a week up until August. Any help or recommendations are appreciated!

What is the difference really? Is pre-phrasing universally helpful across LR/RC question types or only selectively applicable? I.e, what makes it/when can it be most valuable? Thoughts, counterexamples, and battle-tested opinions welcome!

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Looking for a BR/Study Partner scoring in the mid 160s! message me if interested!

After completing the Foundation lessons, and now doing the LR lessons, I feel the Foundation Lessons were grueling and a bit boring to get through, but now that I'm doing LR, I'm glad I went through the Foundations.

I'm having fun learning about LR and applying the knowledge from the Foundation lessons.

Anyone else feel this way?

I'm confused as to why people think it is easy. The LG and LR was definitely easier than normal but I think the RC made up for the lack of difficulty. I got right around my average score. I'm not sure why people think it's an easy test. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

Hello hello,

I was hoping I could find some generous hearts to tutor me for free? I've noticed some posts on the forum and I thought to give it a shot and ask! I'd love to hear from you.

If you are interested I would be more than happy to give more info about me.

Talk soon!

I wont be taking the LSAT anytime soon, I'm just curious.

What's the atmosphere like in the testing center? Is it like a classroom? cubicles? Do different test centers have different max capacity for number of people to take the test? How long is it before we actually start circling the bubbles in (from the time we walk in and sit down)? Do we have enough space between the takers? (I find it harder to focus if I sit close to someone who breathes loudly or shakes their legs) The more specific you could be in sharing your experience the better, I'm interested in the smallest details, Thanks!

Secondly, how similar is the 7SAGE digital format to the actual test? (I love the sound effect e.g. coffee shop noises, it's unfortunate we are not allowed headphones :p) Are we able to change font size and the background colors, etc? I use mini ipad to do problem sets on 7SAGE, how does this compare to the tablet in terms of size, ability to write on, and flagging questions to skip, etc?

P.S

I live in Fairfax, VA. About 20 minutes from DC. For people who's taken LSAT in the DMV area, which ones are your favorite and which ones should I avoid?

Thank you all!

Hello!

I took the test the first time July 2019 right when they began to switch to digital (I had a paper test) and got a 163. This was after only a month and a half of studying, using only 7Sage and I improved from a 154 diagnostic. I am looking to take the test again before applying this fall and would like to improve my score to either high 160s (168-169) or to the 170s (which obviously would be ideal). Ideally I would take it in April (before I have to start going back into work). So I have a few questions:

Thanks in advance for any help or advice!