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LG is by far my worst section and I am looking to test in June. I'm on the "Introduction to Logic" section of the Core Curriculum (pretty early), but is the core curriculum necessary before getting into "Introduction to Logic Games & Sequencing Games"?

Also, I bought the Logic Games Bible. At what point in the study process should I start with that-- is there a section in the CC anyone would recommend getting to first? Thanks.

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LSAT Trainer by Mike Kim (pg. 320) talks about how the opinions of the author of a reading comprehension does not need to be a main point.

How can this be the case?

I want to be able to discern between the two.

A natural follow up to this question:

Is there a subtle difference between understanding "Why the author wrote the passage?" and "Why the passage, in general, was written?"

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Hi,

I'm testing in february and have been working on the core curriculum since last May. I work full time and don't have much time to take a test per day. I'm pretty much limited to two full tests per weekend if I'm lucky.

I have taken many pt's from 1-35, a few from 35-69, and just 70 from the newer administrations. Should I focus more on the ones from 70-present with the time I have left? I hear these are more challenging but more reflective of the current tests. TIA!

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I'm currently working my way through the core curriculum in the hopes of taking the June 2023 LSAT. I've only been doing 1-2 of the problem sets after each section so that I can save them for later in case I need more help in a certain area (once I begin taking PTs). I've noticed that a lot of these problem sets, however, are in the "easy" range based on the stats that accompany them. Should I be taking the drills (which appear to have varying difficulty) now, or save these for when I start taking the PTs? Thanks for any insight! :)

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For this question, I had gotten it correct in the timed test, but ended up changing my answer in BR.

I wanted to discuss my reasoning for the BR, so that maybe it would help solidify why I chose B to begin with.

My reasoning was as follows:

I had initially chose B, but changed it during BR because I felt like the passage didn't explicitly tell us that the political stability would decrease. It did mention that believing that the constitution was being interpreted consistently with the intentions of its authors was "so necessary for political stability", but my reasoning during BR was that since it didn't explicitly state that politically stability would INCREASE, so I went with D.

From my understanding (please correct me if wrong) B is correct because ultimately we could ASSUME from the info given that political instability would increase from the info given.

However, I would now be extremely interested in why D would be wrong lol!

Anyways, just wanted to open up a discussion about this question :)

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I understand this might be a stupid question, but what is the best way to diagram on the LSAT? I've just started studying Logic Games and I'm diagramming on notebook paper. Since the LSAT is administered digitally and paper isn't allowed, what should I do? I guess writing everything on screen with a mouse doesn't seem that efficient to me.

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why is D incorrect? In responding to the Rotelle, Sims shows that the same could be said about Rotelle's youth and inexperience when it comes to age, so isn't that thereby showing he is contradicting himself? How should one choose between D and E?

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It's unclear to me why D assists in weakening the argument? Isn't the argument that efforts have not worked to have people recycle plastics? If so, how does it weaken the authors argument that recycling methods have improved for non-plastics? Very confused. TIA

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I recall taking a single timed LR section as part of the syllabus at or near the end of the LR curriculum, however I deleted it and can't find it anymore.

I would like to retake it to assess where I'm at after taking a hiatus from studying, however I can't find it anywhere. Does anybody know where I could find this?

Thanks

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Hey 7Sagers,

Here's the official January 2023 LSAT Discussion Thread.

REMINDER: Under your Candidate Agreement, you may not discuss the details of any specific LSAT questions at any time. For the January 2023 LSAT, general discussion of what sections you had, or how difficult you found a given section, or speculation about which sections were scored or unscored, is prohibited until after 9pm ET, Wednesday, January 18th.

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  • the section on Cambodian woodworking really had me second guessing everything.
  • a few of the games had me confused but think I was okay.
  • overall fair test, struggled on a couple of RC passages (damn you polymorphic molecules) but think I was okay hoping for a -2 or -3
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  • the passage on Cambodian woodworking didn’t count.
  • I had Cambodian woodworking, Fireflies, and rice farming in Iowa so Lithuanian Lithograph Libraries was experimental.
  • fair test but struggled on a couple RC passages (polymorphic molecules anyone? Thankfully it didn’t count). Don’t want to take again in June
  • Anyone know if Polygamist Societies in the 1880s was real or experimental?
  • Please tell me that polygon dice game didn’t count
  • Good luck to everyone taking the January 2023!

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    Main point questions are pretty much the only questions I really struggle with on RC, and can be really frustrating and time consuming since they seem pretty subjective. Does anyone have a trick to deal with these questions specifically? Thanks

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    Started off with a -7 reading comp on my diagnostic and now I'm down to the 0 to (-2) on recent PTs with very little variability based on the section's difficulty. Thought I'd share what works for me.

    The RC section is famously the least 'learnable' LSAT section, especially relative to the LG section. Even being good at RC, being thrown into a section feels a lot more shaky then starting a new never before encountered LG section. There is a feeling in LG that you have a reliable and consistent procedure that you can use to get the right answers, and the absence of a similarly clearly defined and reliable procedure for RC is easily felt and has shaken my confidence in attacking a RC section before.

    I present for your consideration the VIQW (Vick-double-"u") method.

    Visualize

    Interest

    Question

    Write

    This was largely adapted from the method outlined in the course sections on RC, with some additions of my own.

    Visualizing helps occupy the mind while reading in a way that helps retain attention and focus on written details. Visualize here could be replaced with something like Imagination + Context. For example if I'm reading the passage discussing the merits of IP law protections for software to stop people stealing video game code I might pause briefly to imagine a scenario in my mind where I download a game that is clearly just a reskinned version of Minecraft with the same codebase directly ripped from it. Or in a passage on prescriptivist vs descriptivist grammarians I might play a little imaginative game in the background where I try to picture in my head what I think a prescriptivist would look like versus a descriptivist based on details in the passage. Maybe I'm crazy for this one, but this strategy really helps keep my mind engaged in the background in a way that creates additional interest in the material, and therefore helps with recall and drawing connections between different details in the text.

    Interest is in my opinion, key to RC success. If you are not in the top 1% of intellectual curiosity and not innately gifted at RC, then your success in this section will depend on you becoming a master salesperson. I strongly believe that if you can answer this question "Why do I want to know about what this passage is speaking on?" in the affirmative honestly, this can make a huge difference. If you accept the proposition that you don't care what these passages say for the most part, that they suck and you just have to grin and bear it until you can start answering questions and be done with this section, you are 100% shooting yourself in the foot. You need to think about the things you think are worth considering and learning about, then figure out a way to quickly draw a connection between the passage and your interests and be able to give a one-two sentence answer for why what this passage has to say matters and is worth paying attention to--other than to just get you a good score.

    The third pillar is Questioning. Ideally ask questions as you are going through the text. Did the author just make a claim--why are they making it--is it something they are trying to persuade us of, or is it being presented as a generally accepted fact that they are using to support some other claim they have made. At the very least each paragraph you should pause and ask yourself: "what is a question that is answered or attempted to be answered in this paragraph?" This will help contextualize the text, help you with main point and other question types, as well as with recall.

    The last pillar is something I learned about LG recently which led me to go from -6 to -9 range to a consistent 0 to -3 range. The point of the methods you use in LG, such as rule translation and diagramming is to allow you to distribute the cognitive load of thinking through LG problems. The LG games method and procedure is actually a manually operated analog computer that you use to reduce the amount of computations you have to make in your head at the same time, and to reduce the amount of information you store in your head at the same time. Think of it like this--if your RAM maxes out your computer, its CPU slows down--in other words when its short term memory is full is becomes slower at computing information, slowing down your performance. What you write down in an LG game reduces the amount of information you need to have concurrently and readily accessible in your short term memory at any given moment, and gives you a way to solve for some problems through writing out scenarios on gameboards--reducing the amount of stress on your internal mental processing and improving the quality of what you are computing in your head.

    So long story short, I think this same logic can apply to RC. So I recommend getting scrap paper and writing jot notes per paragraph. Every time you read a line and it interests you write out a short jot note (no more than 5 words) that will remind you of that thought when you look at it again in a minute. Likewise when you notice a claim that seems like a conclusion of an argument the author is making, or a claim that answers some question raised earlier in the passage make a short jot. Writing helps improve recall, that's a given. But my shot in the dark is that this actually helps you think through the material as you read it as well.

    Sorry for the wall of text, just wanted to write a post that would have helped me if I saw it a few months back. Best of luck to everyone, especially fellow January LSAT writers! We can do this :)

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    I got stuck on this question between answer A and answer E. I went with A knowing that the 'every' in the answer would most likely be wrong. I almost selected E because it says 'they (men) fell short in all other categories' meaning men would have fallen short of fruits and vegetables like answer E says.

    Can anyone give an example of how they solved this question so I can clear the smoke a little more in my thinking?

    #help

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    A corporation is planning separate travel itineraries for two representatives, Frank and Gloria...

    Please #help

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