I am having so much trouble getting more than half of In/Out game questions right. I have a moderate grasp on conditional rules and when they trigger or fail, but I’m so slow at In/Out games because I can’t set the rules up well because I get thrown off by “not both” rules. I’m taking the December 2 LSAT, so I don’t have time to pay for and go through the course on here. Any advice on how to nail this type of game?

Hello everyone,

Does anyone have a method for memorizing Valid Args? I know #1-#6, But I’m struggling with #7-#9. Feel free to share. Open to suggestions. Thanks!

Hey 7sagers,

I have started to focus on doing individual untimed/timed sections and question type drilling to tackle Logical Reasoning.

I've saved PT 50~80+ for full time PT's and dedicated PT 1~49 for drilling (QT+ Sections). More specifically, I have designated PT 1~20 for question type drilling and PT 21~49 for section drills.

I'm wondering if this is similar to how you guys are drilling LR.

If possible, could you also share at which point (after how many section drills/QT drills) you started to see improvement in the section?

I'm unsure how many sections I should be doing per week to gain stamina and develop a sense to do well on LR.

any help is appreciated!

Thank you!

Hi all,

In the explanation for this game board (https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/inout-game-2-game-board-setup/?ss_completed_lesson=17878), JY uses group 3 logical operator, unless, to translate the lawgic. I thought that he would use group 4, cannot. How do we know which logical operator to use when there are two in the sentence?

I’m taking the December LSAT and I’ve been scoring from 167-174 on my PTs. It’s a pretty wide range, so I’m hoping to get results that are more consistently in the 170s. What’s a realistic goal for improving my score in time for the LSAT? What should I be doing? I work full time, but I could take time off if that would make a difference in my score.

Can someone explain how they approached this question and got to answer choice D? Thank you so much in advance!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-20-section-4-question-01/

This is for assumption family questions (flaw, na, sa, psa)

I see the conclusion. I see the support. But even for the easiest questions (as in one of the 0-12ish), I still can't go into the answer choices with an idea of what the a/c should be. The passages usually look right, but I know it's not perfect and there's a missing link/connection, there is an assumption the author is making. I try to make a prediction, but I end up not finding one I am confident in and I move on to the a/c. Once I go through the a/c's I usually can get the right answer. But within that time, I am losing a lot of precious time that I know can be used to 1. finish the entire section (usually 5 that I don't finish) and then 2. not rushing the 15+ questions, which are usually the more complex ones. I know that another problem with this is my mind wanders a lot still, leading me to re-read a lot.

Other than just keep drilling and keep practicing, any strategies on predictions? Memory retention? Or is there something I wrote in this post that seems worrying? Please point it out.

Thanks!

I took the test in Sept. and I have been able to narrow down the parts of the test that I struggled on. I struggled on the necessary assumptions and the sufficient assumptions on both the practice and real test. I have gone through all of the videos and looked through multiple articles to try to figure out exactly what I am doing wrong and I can't figure it out. It is like when I follow along with JY, I understand perfectly, but when I am doing the questions myself, I never figure it out like he does. Can anyone offer any hints, or articles online that might clear up the situation for me? I would really appreciate it.

So I came across a discussion and someone mentioned that for weakening questions he/she uses this strategy from time to time: negate the conclusion and then find the answer choice that supports that conclusion.

I mean there's more probably to this so maybe someone can explain this a little bit better but I honestly can say this works.

It has helped me find the correct answer choice much easier for more harder weakening questions.

Thought I would share for some of those having trouble with weakening questions.

Has anyone else experienced this or used this strategy?

Video: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-29-section-3-game-2/

Why isn't possible that Mannequin 1 and Mannequin 2 wear identical clothes?

The rule only says "Neither Mannequin wears all three color" and "Each mannequin wears a hat in a different color from the jacket it wears"

M1 : Hat: Red Jacket: Navy Skirt: Navy Tie: Red

M2 : Hat: Red Jacket: Navy Skirt: Navy

So this is my first time posting and not sure how much background I should give lol

I’ve taken the LSAT once in September 2016 and I had only been studying for about 2 months and I also got really nervous and during the exam I kept changing my answers, and I got a 149.

I took a break from studying after that and started re studying in July 2017 and I signed up for the September exam but I hadn’t scored during my PTs in the 160s so I withdrew and signed up for the December LSAT. And right now my average is 157.7 for 28 PTs, my goal is to score 165 and the highest I’ve scored so far is a 163 one time, two weeks ago on PT 31. I'm not sure if I should just take the December LSAT and hope I get in the 160s and apply this cycle (my goal is to get into a T14 law school) or if I should take the February one since everything is kinda still fresh in my head and use that score to be really early for next cycle.

I'm just so conflicted because the last two months all of my BR are 170 and above, I even got a 179 on one ?

I would really appreciate any advice! Thanks in advance!

I'm a bit confused with the wording in the right answer choice-

This is how I worked on this question, please let me know if there is a different way for getting this question right -

1980 (A) GDP = 10,000

1980 ( EEC) GDP = 5000

1990 (A) GDP =11,000

1990 (EEC) GDP = 5000

OR

1990 (A) GDP= 10,000

1990 (EEC) GDP= 4000

I chose D through POC but still a bit unclear on the math!

Thanks in advance

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-17-section-3-question-03/

i am having a tough time getting my head around why answer choice b is not a good contender...

while i agree with ac d being correct...am unable to justify why ac b is incorrect.....

negation of b- implementing a technology sometimes requires more creative effort than does true invention....this would totally wreck the current argument which in current state is preferring to shield small time inventors from large entity implementers of technology....

am getting stuck so much today.....feel like my brain is all gone mush....

all help welcome!

arrrhhhhgghhh....

the game doesn’t say the same color cannot appear twice (or more) in one stained glass window. so it could be like “g p r r” color combined in one window. “y p” in the 2nd window and “o g” in the 3rd window. It is not contradicting the rule. how to deal with this situation? anyone can help?,,,

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-62-section-3-game-2/

my issue is timing. my PT scores suck (155ish) because I never finish a section, logic games I have never finished more than 2, never even looked at the 3rd. i am working on the fool proof method, and obviously I am faster at the 2nd, 3rd, 4th time I do the same game but I am worried it is not translating and I am not speeding up enough in general. A game that 7sage says should take me 8 mins takes me 12. Is it just about drilling at this point to try and improve my time?

I'm currently working through the CC right now and I just finished the lesson on grouping games with a chart. I'm understanding the concepts alright but when it comes to application, I'm having trouble. My biggest question is... How do I know when to just do regular grouping and when to use a chart? Thanks in advance!

I like that JY recommends - answering questions that are just about passage A before even reading passage B (to prevent mixing up info in passages).

BUT - here's my question.... I encountered a Comparative Passage on a PT where there were NO questions just about A. There was at least 1 question on passage B....

In a case like that, should I read passage B first, answer the questions on B, then proceed with Passage A?

I tried it that way and it didn't go so well... but it could have been due to other factors.

Hi all I am a bit confused about the sufficient and necessary condition for (C).

According to JY, (C) should be interpreted as "no[Physically addictive --> psychoactive]" , but shouldn't the relative clause "to which people can become physically addicted" introduce the necessary condition to make the argument no[psychoactive --> physically active]? Thanks!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-33-section-1-question-11/

Hello fellow 7sagers,

I have been struggling with SA questions. I can't seem to translate the stimulus into the valid argument form. I can draw the connections once I have translated it correctly but I often struggle just to translate the ideas. I have the argument forms memorized but now it just comes to the translation of the stimulus.

I am writing in December.

Any tips?

So i have a superficial understanding of this methodology, but i just cant wrap my head completely around whats happening, can i get someones take?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-69-section-4-question-14/

Hi everyone,

I'm just wondering if anyone has any advice, resources or recommendations on how to sharpen one's skills at recognizing valid / invalid argument forms in the LR sections. I know there is lots about this is in the core curriculum but it's mainly within the context of formal diagramming lawgic-type methods. I feel like this is giving me trouble in Flaw, NA/SA/PSA question types which are my worst along with Strengthen and Weakening questions. I can actually get Parallel Method of Reasoning (Flaw and Regular) questions because of how basic the structures tend to be, but usually only in blind review. I'm basically terrible at every type of question that involves being critical about and analyzing the merits of an abstract argument :( Any help would be appreciated!

What do you guys eat the night before, eat for breakfast and snack on, for stamina? Trying to get a rhythm going in preperation for December

So with the December test coming up, I am freaking out a little bit now.

I have been scoring -13/-10 on timed LR sections. I need to get to at least -8 or -7 since I am now realistically aiming between 160-165 for the upcoming test date.

I feel like this strongly has to do with flaw and necessary assumption questions. I struggle with these a lot.

I have already went back to the CC and reviewed the relevant sections.. but I still don't seem to improve. I have even drilled them down to bits but no improvement.

Overall, I often have trouble predicting or paraphrasing answers. I'm guessing this is probably why I score so low on LR.

How can I improve on this?

Is studying for 272 total hours enough for the LSAT? I know it is relative question I'm just curious if it would be that's what my total is going to be at.

The RC section was my best section, but that has dramatically changed. I want to improve by 5 points on the RC section before December 2nd. I'm at -9 right now on average. Probably not possible I understand, but a I gotta try. My problem is not timing at all. It's the questions. My top three missed are infer authors perspective, recognition, and application analogy. Any tips or strategies at all would be very helpful! Thanks!