Hi, just joined 7Sage and had a quick question that I thought I would try to clear up before the LSAT on Saturday! (:/ pretty nervous).

I've been studying on my own for a while and have made pretty good progress in terms of where I am now and where I started. Everything that I've read, whether here, a Kaplan source, or other test prep materials suggest that you find the conclusion first for the LR questions. Now I've digested this and if you hand me a question I can point out the conclusion and premise(s) without any problem usually. What I'm curious about is, for those that are scoring really well on the LR sections (like let's say no more that -3/4 per section) or finish them with a lot of spare time, or both if you're an LR beast, do you actually go into the question, having read the question stem, and just first look for the conclusion and circle, underline, mental note whatever, and THEN read the rest?

What I've been doing, and I've improved but I still cut it really close to time in the LR sections (and I think this is partly because of getting stuck on long time sucking questions or when I have those epic mind civil wars over two remaining answer choices), is I just read the whole stimulus and just make a note of what is background/premise and what is conclusion. I don't actively SEARCH for a conclusion indicating word, read the conclusion and then read the rest. Just read it all the way through once, and maybe sometimes I have to go back and reread a line or two once I've identified the conclusion/premise.

I know it's probably not the wisest thing to try to switch this up before Saturday. But I've been wondering if the hard practicing suggested in the beginning of learning how to tackle LR questions with drills on Conclusion and Premise identification is just for you to understand the difference in the beginning or if actually helps with speed/accuracy if you just kind of chop up the stimulus like that.

Anyways, any thoughts/advice would be great. It would be nice to reduce my missed questions in LR for Saturday, even missing 3-4 less than I am right now could realistically put me in the low 170s which would be lovely. In addition to practicing for the last days of keeping mindful of timing, not getting stuck and, for the most part, going with intuition for those answer choices you bounce back and forth between, anything to help me anchor down these sections a bit more would be amazing.

Cheers to everyone taking the test on Saturday!

I'm in my target score range, but I don't want to overdo it....

Are two PTs too much? One on Monday and one on Wednesday?

Or should I just do one and spend the rest of the time focusing on weakness areas so I don't overdo it?

Thoughts?

After doing the Stained Glass game (PT 62, Game 2), then watching JY's explanation, I realized I made a major time-waste error when I split the game based on where I placed R....

It seemed like a good idea at the time... but I realize now that it would create 6 different boards...

Anyone have general guidelines on when to split and when not to split?

Is it worth doing simple stats to realize there would be 3x2=6 different gameboards and not worth it?

Are there other rules/guidelines anyone suggests?

Hey everyone, hope you are all hanging in there as we approach Saturday. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions/advice about the kind of prep work to do in the last week? I know the idea is to hone in on weaknesses and review the concepts surrounding them. I was wondering if there was anything else to add to that list?

Thanks for any advice/ suggestion you can offer and I wish you all the best of luck!

Immanuel

I think that my situation here is atypical. I think I studied all wrong, and I am unsure if I am screwed because of it.

I am blessed in that from the beginning I never missed more than 4 questions on reading comprehension.

I then wasted a month of prep learning all sorts of shit pertaining to logical reasoning (using the LRB). Then, one day, I took a PT and didn't diagram anything or use any of the methods the LRB instructed me on. I received a -3 on LR total (significantly better than what I was testing before). Now I regularly test -5 to a -9 on LR total for both sections--without any sort of markings, diagrams, conditional logic, etc. I just use intuition and it serves me better.

This, unfortunately, is not the case with logic games.

The first several sections I did I went -15+. I buckled down, and in the last week I've managed to improve that to about a -7. I am hoping that in the next week I can improve that to a -4 (which is hopefully possible).

I have two concerns that I am hoping for some input on:

1: The effect of the 'oddball' game that has made an appearance on the last couple LSATs and will inevitably appear on the September test. Is there any speculation on what this game may be?

2.) I have 6 days of prep left to turn a -7 on logic games into a -4...what, in your opinion, is the best way to do this? Obviously drill-baby-drill is applicable here--and trust me I am drilling hard--but is there any specific aspect to games that I should focus on which would yield the greatest marginal benefit?

Appreciate any and all feedback.

ps

To the proprietors of this site: You're fucking heroes; I am so happy that you are doing this and not running M&A deals for Cravath in NYC instead (you'll probably end up making more money, anyways).

After a ton of hard work, I'm breaking 170 and want to ensure 170 on test day or do better. I have only 1 new PT left which I'll take before the LSAT next week....

But for the rest of my time I'm debating whether to redo some old PTS (there were some recent ones I did before deciding not to take the December LSAT last year) or just watching videos from 7Sage that I haven't done yet.

I've taken other courses before so I only used about 1/4 of the 7sage course videos to help in Key Areas. But I do like the 7Sage method overall and I wonder if it's better to use the rest of the course material (and practice) to really refine my approach.

So redo a couple old recent PTs or more 7Sage videos and practice? Thoughts?

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-72-section-3-question-11/

Hi folks, I can't for the life of me figure out why the correct answer for question 11 in sec. 3 of the June 2014 test is choice A. (This is the question regarding citizen opposition to a new hiking trail on the grounds that users will litter.) Aren't both C and D better choices?

My thanks to anyone who has any idea!

I joined 7Sage 10 days ago and am planning on taking the LSAT in Dec. Beginning to feel overwhelmed with the schedule. I am aiming to take ~29 PT before that. Is my goal too ambitious? I am not working and am studying full time. I feel like I'm getting bogged down trying to complete all the relevant problems. Maybe it will be best to push test back to February, in order to build a solid foundation...Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-71-section-3-question-18/

I thought the answer might be D for a very different reason.... the circumstances are specifically described as being about people who don't already own the item, but the survey is about people who do own the item. ie... if you don't already own a GPS system in your car, don't buy one because most cell phones have them - and of course most people who already own a GPS system in their car will like it.... but, again, it's not worth buying because you likely already have a cell phone with GPS.....In sum, I can see that being the reasoning behind D, with the sample being the survey as a whole --- and the group actually referring to people that don't own these things already.

But I have difficulty seeing the explanation JY gave... we're often given survey results - and in surveys there usually is a discrepancy between people who respond and people who don't.... why are we splitting hairs over it here? ie 55 percent of respondents prefer candidate X.... In an LSAT question we normally wouldn't dismiss the result simply because MAYBE there's a discrepancy between respondents and non-respondents... I think LSAC would give us a differently worded question or maybe we'd have to guess the Nec. Assum. But respondent deviation seems way too subtle - even for LSAC - to be the reasoning behind choice D.

Thoughts?

Hey everyone. I was just wondering if you had any advice re: the recentness of prep tests. I have done a fair amount of them, but none more recent than prep test 58. Is it necessary to do the absolute most recent ones or are the older ones sufficiently similar to what I can expect to see next week?

As I've been taking practice tests, I've come across several LG rules that use "neither...nor" language as a conditional. For example: if X then neither Y nor Z. Should this be translated as "Y and Z" or "Y or Z". From my understanding, AND means both, and OR means one or the other or both. Can someone help me with this distinction?

Hey, hello guys. You may have read my post in the December 2014 discussion. But I'm looking for a good study buddy. I'm in the Tampa/ St. Pete area. I'm willing to cover those to cities. Prep'ing for the 2015 Feb. test.

Email me here or at allworld13@gmail.com

Thanx

Hi, I know I am fortunate to have this problem, but I consistently find myself with roughly 7 minutes left to twiddle my thumbs on RC sections and am generally missing 0 or 1 questions. Nevertheless, I want to use those 7 minutes effectively to ensure I'm maximizing my score. What approach should I be taking with that time? BR?

Hey, hello guys. I'm new to this thing, but not new to LOGIC. Are there any places in which I can go and meet people in hopes of finding a good study buddy? I'm in the Tampa/ St. Pete area. I'm willing to cover those to cities.

allworld13@gmail.com

So my dog died yesterday. I know. She has terrible timing. Every drill I've done in the last 24 hours, I totally lose focus and wander off. I can't seem to think of any method other than to say "just focus" to myself. This method is obviously not great. I know I'm not the only one who has had distractions to manage. If anyone can share ways they combatted distractions or a wandering mind, any strategy to keep you on track, I would greatly appreciate it !

I have read the Reading Comprehension bible, LSAT Trainer, and Voyager's guide on TLS.com. I still can't improve on reading comprehension. I keep missing 8-10 questions every time. With just a couple of days I am freaking out. I wanted to take the September LSAT but this is the only thing scaring me for the test and I really do not want to take the December LSAT. Are there any other tips that you all have. Maybe I am just not cut out to do well in Reading Comp.

Hey there!

This is my first post so I apologize if I'm breaking any rules. I'm looking for a study buddy in Charleston, SC. I would prefer someone pretty serious about tackling this test. I'm free every night and most afternoons. I'm planning on taking the February test as I don't think I'll be ready for the December one.

PM me!

-Sara

During a PT, does anyone skim the RC passages before you start? If so, do you find it helpful as far finding a pacing strategy through the RC section.

I noticed when I skimmed the upcoming passage 4 - to confirm the number of Qs, I was more confident about spending time on the hard passage 3 that I was working on.

What is your strategy for the type of questions that ask you to add the next sentence to the end the passage?

I am looking for a study partner who is aiming to score around 175 or higher. I live in Miami, but your location doesn't really matter that much to me. I am consistently getting full-scores in the games section, so I am mainly looking to talk about RC and LR sections. We can talk over the phone, e-mails, or Skype whatever you prefer. I am taking the LSAT in Dec. Your age, race, sex etc do not matter one bit to me but just for your information: I am nearly 50-year-old, European woman and former professor of neuroscience specializing in memory and learning.

Hello, I am trying to improve on logic games and am wondering if recycling old games is a good strategy. I do not want to burn out through other logic games in PTs because I will need those for simulated test prep conditions.

In short, does using old logic games that one has already completed have any value when attempting to get better?

So I thought SA questions were rough, but nope! NA questions are going to be the death of me! I'm just not able to distinguish between sufficient and necessary when looking at the answer choices but it makes sense to me when reviewing the lessons before the questions. Weird, I know. Initially I didn't negate because it won't always work so I wanted to learn how to actually find the necessary Assumption, but now I'm just like screw it! I'm wondering if I can get away with just negating the answer choices? How badly do you guys think this will harm me? Anybody wanna take a stab at getting me to see how you conquer these questions? Anything is greatly appreciated! TIA!

Has anyone figured out when "complete and accurate" means complete and accurate for any one individual game board (PT 43, S4, Q18) vs. when it means complete and accurate across all possibilities across all game boards (PT 43, S4, Q15)? Its a stupid mistake that often causes me to lose an obvious point.

As the test date approaches, I'm trying to study and improve as quickly as possible. I'm still making mistakes in the law and science related passages of RC. I've already been reading a lot of science sites/magazines, but I'm not sure what else I can do. Any recommendations would be immensely appreciated! :)

Wondering if the test actually starts at closer to 9 ie 20 to 30 minutes to take attendance and fill out forms.

Does anyone know?

I'm debating whether to get up at 7 or 630 cuz I want sleep but want the 2 hours for my brain to be fully alert.