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Hi Fellow 7sager!

For those of you who have increased your score by 15 points or higher. How long did it take for you to see this type of results? My goal is to improve my score significantly for the June 2015 test. I'm new to 7 Sage and so any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

KG

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If you check my posts, most topics are worries about burning questions. It is usually mentioned not to burn PTs from 38+ until you drill previous questions and know the material well. This makes great sense to me. Here is my worry: let's take Cambridge Main Point question type as an example. There are 67 questions in the package. So what does keep drilling mean? I can finish these question in couple of days. How can I drill Main Point questions afterwards?

Thank you

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Hi Everyone,

I am a little early in the game - currently at Weakening Questions practice problems…I was wondering if its necessary or truly recommended to do the practice questions timed or to do BR on them. Is it better for me to just do them leisurely and kind of make sure I am doing them right? Making it a one step process instead of two? And then worrying about time and BR when it comes to the practice tests?

Thanks.

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I bought three watches after reading JY's post about keeping time. However, I just read the comments below where someone said they e-mailed LSAC about it and were told it is not allowed. I've heard a couple people's experiences and both were positive. Just wondering if anyone has encountered any problems when trying to use three watches?

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Hello, again!

I'm writing this because I wanted some opinions and some personal testimonies on your journey with the LSAT. I want to get a 165+ on the June exam. Here's some back story.

I started studying for the LSAT in late August of 2014. I finished the curriculum, and scored a 147. I worked on really getting my LGs down and I peaked at 157 as my final PT before the December 2014 exam (I had scored three 156s on the PTs following the 157). Needless to say, I felt confident I'd at least receive a score of 155. In wasn't being cocky, I didn't brush off the difficulty of the exam (because a 157 isn't a super high score to begin with), but on test day the LGs killed me. I essentially put all my eggs into one basket and dropped that basket on test day. The one type of LG I tended to neglect (because I rarely saw them on PTs) came to haunt me, the in/out/grouping Rug game. Of course I can't contribute the full blame of my low score (147 on actual LSAT) on that specific logic game, because I got about 2-3 more questions wrong on RC and LR than I did on PTs (I contribute that more to jitters, though). HOWEVER, doing poorly in LG really did sink the ship for me. So I peaked at 157 and I want to hit a 165+ ON THE ACTUAL EXAM, not just on PTs. Is it possible to hit a 165+ or maybe even a 170? I raised in 10 points previously and was hoping another 8-10 wouldn't be impossible! Before, I had about 3 and 1/2 months to study, now I have ~6 months (re-finished the first week of the curriculum within 3 days). Also, there's the fear of burning out. Everyone is warning me about it. However, I feel super stressed all the time (5 classes, 25-30 hour work weeks, and 30-40 hours of LSAT a week), but studying for the LSAT is the only thing that reduces that stress. Yeah I put this stress on myself, but I'm sure a lot of future attorneys do the same thing, so I'm no different.

Ultimately I want to know if anyone else has been in a similar situation. Did you improve? What helped you improve? How much did you improve? Share your story if you have the time!

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Hey 7Sagers,

Got this email that I thought you could help with! Here it is:

Hi,

I am taking the Feb LSAT and have major anxiety. I have been studying for the past 5 months with a combo of test master, bibles and now for the last couple weeks with 7 sage. I have a good general idea of the test but with only 3 weeks to play, I was wondering If I should dive in directly to the practice tests? I scored a 154 on my initial un-scored exam and my goal is 160 or higher. What should I do? Please help!!

Thanks!

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Hey everyone,

Let me just say first that I was going to post something re: my subject on TLS but I was afraid they would all shoot me down regardless of what I said...everyone here seems much nicer and not as crazy. :)

I sat for the December LSAT and scored a 157. I was doing practice tests around that range, so it was no surprise, but the two I've taken since then have been a 159 and a 160. I know it's not THAT huge of a difference, and the scores really aren't that great at all, but I really feel like it may make a big difference in my applications. I am registered for the Feb LSAT as of now. That being said...I don't want to eff up my chances by finally submitting an application in early March.

I've got a 3.56 GPA, my major GPA was a 3.85 from Wisconsin and I have a very obvious upward trend in my junior/senior years in school. I spent two years working at a law firm while in college. I'm currently serving an Americorps VISTA year, work as a CASA (court appointed special advocate) for children who are abused or neglected and advocate for them in a courtroom, and spent a year working with children on the Autism Spectrum. I want to study Special Education/Disability Law and possibly Health Law, so I'm looking into some schools with very specific programs.

Schools I'm applying to (in order of ranking):

William & Mary (has a Special Education clinic)

University of Wisconsin

University of Minnesota

Northwestern

WUSTL

UNC

Richmond (already got in, and has a special education clinic)

Loyola (Childlaw Fellowship Program)

Michigan State

Syracuse (dual degree, JD/MS in Disability Studies)

Depaul

I guess my question is this: I know that about half of the schools I'm applying to are pretty far reaches (but are also schools with a reputation of having a more "holistic" view of applicants), while the other half are safeties. I'm excited I've already gotten into Richmond, as that is a promising option for me, but I don't know if it's more important to submit my applications to the other schools earlier, with a 157, or wait until March and maybe score a few points higher. I have technically submitted all of my applications, and all of the schools (except Richmond) emailed me saying they were holding my app until Feb scores.

Thoughts?! I know it's a lot. I just can't stop going back and forth!

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I would like to thank 7Sage for supplying the December 2014 LSAT. I know other programs do it as well, but I really appreciate 7Sage, J.Y. and the staff for allowing me to look over my mistakes on the 2014 Dec LSAT. I plan on taking it again on June 8th and feel confident that if I go through the course a 2nd time and go over the 2014 exam ( and any other PT I take), endlessly that I will do a lot better in June.

When I was studying for the Dec LSAT I put all my eggs into one basket, the Logic Games section. I would get 3-5 wrong and this was my saving grace. I was getting constant 156-157. Of course it's not the best score, but I felt good doing well in 1 section.. The others were average. In December of course, the games were a lot harder than most of the PTs I had taken (I think we all remember the rug game). I was never good at In/Out with a combination of Grouping, and I always put those off. Well, that bit me right in the ass.

That's some back story to my Dec. LSAT. I will be working hard for June! Congrats to anyone that did well in December and good luck to those studying for future LSATs!

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Hi 7Sage. I recently took a preptest and scored a 161. I have improved immensely since my first diagnosis of 146. My target score is to get a 168 or higher. However, I am still struggling with logical reasoning and reading comprehension, missing around 6-8 questions for each section. I have logic games down, missing between 0-2. My real concern is reading comp though, as I can't seem to finish all of the passages (I only get through 3 and don't have enough time for the last one). Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

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A fellow 7Sager had a great idea of making a discussion thread to let you all know about site changes and updates, so here we go! JY and I will do our best to post the changes and updates we make to 7Sage here.

Jan. 13

* PrepTest 74 added to grader (no tags yet, but they're coming...)

* Fix for fullscreen videos in Android App

* Fix for notes in Law School lessons where there is also an exam prompt

Jan. 17

* Fix for iOS app - The "Next" button in the "Course" view should work consistently now. Sorry it took this long!

Jan. 20

We just added a new rule to the Discussion Forums:

"Advertisements or solicitations for services or products are not allowed."

Jan. 22

* Fix for iOS app - PDFs download properly again when viewing course through the app. Thanks to @Vendetta for bringing this to our attention!

Jan. 24

* Personal Statement 2 all drafts and commentary now available:

http://classic.7sage.com/lesson/personal-statement-2-draft-1-read-and-evaluate/

Jan. 30

* Major discussion forum upgrade with behind the scenes improvements, and interface changes. If you notice anything strange, let us know!

* Fix: Video playback now properly defaults to your last chosen speed. It was showing your last chosen speed, but not actually playing the video at that speed.

Jan. 31

* Android app now has a series of introductory screens explaining what's in the app.

* Android app fix: After regisering, going to "Course" works more consistently.

Feb. 3

* iOS app - iPhone 6 and 6+ support

* iOS app - has PT 72, 73, and 74 logic games included

* iOS app - Logic Games screen now includes tags and section difficulty.

* iOS app - Bug fix: Grader PrepTest filtering works properly

Feb. 5

* Forums - You can now mention users with spaces in their name by using quotes, like @"Alan Cheuk"

* Forums - When you start typing @ mentions, a list of suggestions appears to the right to make it easier. You may need to clear your browser cache to see this feature.

* Forums fix - You can save profile changes even if there is a space in your name.

Feb. 9

* iOS app - Entering blind review in Grader is easier now because you can now also drag/tap the complete white space to the right of the answer choices to get to blind review (particularly helpful for iPhone 6/6+ and iPad).

Feb. 10

* Personal Statement 3 all drafts and commentary now available:

http://classic.7sage.com/lesson/personal-statement-3-draft-1-read-and-evaluate/

* You can now use hastags. #sweet

Feb. 12

* Updated version of lesson for PT 67 Passage 2 (Nisa Shostak !Kung Woman)

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-67-section-1-passage-2-passage/

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-67-section-1-passage-2-questions/

* New all-sub-game-boards lesson for PT 36 Game 3 (Bus Window Aisle Seats)

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-36-section-4-game-3/

* Updated set of grammar lessons on comparative statements

http://classic.7sage.com/lesson/comparative-statements-general/

Feb. 19

* iOS App - The proctor pauses when it is interrupted by a phone call, alarm, Siri, etc, and you can press "Continue" to continue where you left off after you finish handling the interruption.

Feb. 20

* FireFox - PDF fix. Starting about a week ago, the first page of some pdfs were not loading, especially for one page pdfs. Fixed now.

Feb. 27

* Classes of lessons in Syllabus page now collapse/expand with buttons / in top right of each class, to reduce accidental collapse/expand of the class.

March 3

* Site backend and security upgrades.

March 13

* Redesign of website and forum. Please let me know if you spot any visual oddities :)

March 16

* Display of comments on the dashboard have been redone so that they should be easier to read and expand/collapse.

* Site dashboard now shows recent comments with "?" in them, rather than all recent comments

April 2

* Added a "User-Created Games" sub-category to the forums: http://classic.7sage.com/forums/categories/user-created-games

* Made the discussion sample on the Dashboard more like the full discussion forum

* Long comments are now clipped, and expandable with more/less links

* Discussion forum no longer zooms out on on some discussions on mobile/tablets

* Added marker to show where the new comments in a discussion start when you've already seen some of the comments in a thread (marker doesn't show if there is only one new comment - unfortunate, but couldn't find a way around it)

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I understand the difference between either or and either or but not both

I am confused about the diagramming aspect and not sure if my way is correct

Either or (implies possibly both)

So, I think of this in negative terms (absence of a sufficient condition)

not A -> B

not B -> A

A -> may or may not have B (so AB is also possible)

versus

Either or but not both

So, I think of this in positive terms (presence of sufficient condition)

A -> not B

B -> not A

In this case, there no other possibility (both AB can never be possible)

Is there a way to show this using double sided arrows or double not arrows? I am confused about that.

I know that double sided arrows ((--)) are used for biconditionals like "if and only if" and "if but only if"

and double not arrows ((-I-)) are used for neither nor

Is my reasoning correct?

Somehow I think that I have gotten myself mixed up with all this conditional logic stuff

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Does anyone have a good system for best incorporating the prep test explanations into his/her studying? I review them with the accompanying prep test but has anyone else figured out a better way to leverage this material to get better results? I feel like I'm wasting an opportunity by just reviewing the explanation for wrong answers.

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Hello 7sagers,

The LSAT Analytics is a great tool to review what I got wrong. I also think the statistic chart quite cool--I can know my weakness in seconds! (I planned to categorize RC type by myself before I found this!)

I'm just curious about the difference between the "difficulty" and "priority"--I guess that "difficult" indicates percentage of 7sage(the lower, the harder, and vice versa), and "priority" means "personal priority"(one that I got wrong).

Is my understanding correct?

Thanks for replies.

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Dear JY and the 7Sage Team,

I am ecstatic to be applying to law school and its all because of your wonderful program. In 3 months I went from a 146 to a 159 (even though I was scoring 162 on the PTs!!). Nevertheless, I am so thankful that you have made this program affordable, comprehensive, and fun! Without 7Sage I may not be where I am today. Thank you so much!

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I am confused between the difference of these two forms of conditional logic

not A -> B

not B -> A

versus

A -> not B

B -> not A

Do both forms above really mean either or, but not both?

In one of the games explanations, I remember coming across a point that starting with a negative term as the sufficient condition, meaning where the absence of a sufficient condition guarantees a necessary condition is somehow different than starting with a positive term for the sufficient where the presence of a sufficient condition guarantees the necessary condition. BUT I am having trouble seeing if there is a difference in the meaning of the above two forms and hat kinds of inference I can make from them.

Can someone please clarify this? I am really confused.

Thanks,

Pamela

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Hello everyone,

I took the LSAT in September 27, 2014. I got a 145. It was a confidence killer, but I picked myself back up and I have started my prep for a retake in June or October. I'm trying my best to forget what I learned the first time around and start from scratch on my prep work. I registered for the 7Sage Starter Course so I could start the lessons. I plan on upgrading to Premium this week. I took the June 2007 PT this weekend. I got a 149 timed and a 155 BR. I see it as progress.

Furthermore, I am a non-traditional student. I turn 30 next week. I've been out of school a couple of years. And I've been working on and off in customer service. I was unemployed the first time I was preparing for the LSAT. But I went back to work October 6, 2014. I work full-time (M-F 8:30-5PM) and I have a long commute through heavy traffic. By time I get home, I want to crash and have other things to take care of to live life. I work in a small call center and I can usually do the lessons and quizzes in between calls or on a slow day. But the problem is with the PTs. The only time I have a 3-4 hour block of time to devote to a PT is on the weekends. Unless I was to time each section individually instead the test as a whole then maybe I could do some through the week, but I would imagine splitting timed sections for a full PT would not be advised. I suppose BR could be split but not the timed PT. So, what I did with the June 2007 test was I took the fully timed 4 section PT Saturday, took a break, did my BR that evening (probably rushed a bit) and I reviewed and watched explanations Sunday and I'll continue through the week.

I'm trying not to rush through my 7Sage course but I am also trying to finish it with plenty of time. But I am also trying to take as many PTs as possible. I have 30-something weeks if I take October. I'm trying to figure out how many PTs I should take and when I should start based off my tight schedule. I have about 40 PTs and the three February ones in SuperPrep. Of course, I logically cannot take all 40 and can use some of them for 5 section practice runs. I'm thinking maybe I could start taking PTs earlier than on the study schedule and it can help me gauge my progress but I'm also worried about starting too soon and using up PTs too quickly. If it matters my biggest reasoning issues are in LR. LG and RC are mainly timing issues and I think extensive practice will help the logic issues there. I apologize that this was long but any advice would be appreciated.

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Hi guys!

I started the Ultimate course about a few weeks ago and I work full-time. I've been getting up at around 5 AM to do the lessons until about 7:30 AM. I realized that when I try to study after work, it's much harder, especially when people are awake at home and I'm super tired from the commute and work.

My question is: Should I be working on something other than the lessons each day? I go through the lessons and do the practice sets (if applicable) but I'm not sure if I should be doing more. I took a TestMasters class a couple years ago that required 4-hr classes twice a week and hours and hours of homework on top of that. I'm not seeing anything like that with 7Sage and I just wanted to check in and make sure I'm not missing anything like important practice.

Even if there's no practice required, how do you all study while doing the lessons? Review notes or do problems all over again?

Thanks so much for your help!

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Tuesday, Jan 13, 2015

mes08820

Burnt Out

Hi all,

I've taken the LSAT twice already; in September and in December. My scores were about the same both times; 8+ points off from my goal. After careful consideration I've decided that I want to go to my top schools badly enough to continue studying and try again in June. However, after my disappointing December score as well as studying + full time work, I'm unmotivated and burnt out. Any ideas on how to get back into the groove of studying every day?? Any tips/advice would be appreciated :)

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