Hey just wanted to reach out to see if anyone else in the community had issues with taking the October LSAT. The first time I tried to test, the system stopped working in the middle of the exam and I couldn't finish. I sent emails, called, and reported an issue with the exam and rescheduled. Then when it came time to retest, the proctorU system indicated that the original exam, that I couldn't finish, somehow processed as completed as scheduled. So I was unable to take the retake as scheduled. I reached out to LSAC to see how this can be resolved, but I've heard nothing back yet. I'm a little worried they could snub me on the money I paid, as well as the exam attempt. Was anyone else unable to take the October 2021 LSAT because of multiple technical issues with LSAC and ProctorU?

Hey folks, I'm going to be doing a PT this Saturday at 10 am CST. If you are taking PT's now, feel free to join in. We don't need to be working on the same test either.

Anyone interested?

If so, join our 140s study group where we go over hard questions in the core curriculum together 🥐

You're invited to my new group '140 —> 180’ on GroupMe.

https://groupme.com/join_group/84476376/AOQkuYi9

I'm purposely not including a lot of details since I am actively trying to revive this application with the target school!

Long story short, after a brief email discussion with target school's admissions office to go ahead and apply through LSAC even though late, I still missed the (late) deadline by a few minutes. (Full disclosure: I acknowledge that the lateness was totally my fault.)

The next day, the same admissions office who just a day before said go ahead and submit it quickly, came back with, "Unfortunately...." when I asked if I could submit a copy of the app via email instead. (I have a complete copy of the fully downloaded application from LSAC.)

Another higher ranked school has already processed my late app, and another one, though I didn't receive an acknowledgment email from them, already requested the CAS report from LSAC, so I believe they are in the process of review. However, those are not the target schools.

Does anyone have any experience with this? Or even if you don't have experience, can you please help me with ideas about how to negotiate the target school back into accepting my late app?

Thank you in advance!!!!!!!!!

Really struggled with this question in terms of understanding the QS and choosing between A and D (specifically, why A isn't right). Could someone correct my understanding?

Stim:

profit --> build more rooms or improve existing

/build more rooms

/profit

My thinking: So if there's no ability to increase profits, then hotel owners are either unable to build more rooms (which stim states) and/or unable to improve existing rooms

This question is a fill in the blank, so we're looking for a most strongly supported AC.

ACs:

A: Struggled a lot with this AC - it almost seemed like a necessary assumption because sure, even if hotel owners can't build more rooms, what if their rooms are at 10% occupancy right now? They'd be able to increase profits if they upped the occupancy rate to 100%.

B: Wrong. How would we know if they are maxed out when it comes to attractive location? Stim doesn't tell us this

C: Wrong. Cost of labor? came from left field

D: Initially chose this answer and then went back to A. My thinking here originally was: Alright, so hotel owners can't build more rooms, but they have another lever. Could they do some renovations and charge the rooms higher so they can make a profit? But, this AC shows that the hotels are already maxed out when it comes to improvement so they're really just...stuck.

(but then I came back again to this question and thought, well, what if the rooms aren't actually maxed out so then I kept bouncing back and forth between A and D) :(

E: Wrong. How do we know this/what would this even do to drive towards the fact that profits aren't increasing?

#help

Hey all,

I've been gradually improving on RC over the last 10 PTs (-6 to -8) to (-3 to -5) by spending more time upfront understanding the passage content/structure/emphasis and less time wastefully deliberating over answer choices. Generally, I feel pretty efficient about how much time I spend on each question based on the question type and its respective difficulty.

However, I notice that for harder meaning/synonym and author's attitude questions, I find myself spending a longer period of time debating answer choices (~1 min+) than I should be (~30 sec). For author's attitude questions, I circle key words that reflect the author's opinion as I read the passage and write an A next to the longer parts of the author's opinion. For meaning/synonym questions, my strategy is to replace the word in the stimulus at its respective location with the answer choices and see if it fits.

Usually, 2-3 of the answer choices can be easily eliminated, but when the remaining two answer choices have the correct type of tone (i.e. both positive/negative) and only differ in degree, I end up spending way too much time debating between the two by looking at the passage for textual evidence and eventually end up going with my gut. I know JY's advice for difficult RC questions is to cut your losses, go with you gut, and rack up points on easier questions, but I feel like there's a better way to approach these questions more confidently to minimize time spent and improve accuracy.

How do you guys approach these question types?

I often read arguments in the Flawed Assumption stems in LR and find myself regarding them as things I hear often. I don't even mean to be all that nice in this observation.

I wish option E was literally always, "The argument has no flaws."

I guarantee that even if the LSAC issued a blanket statement saying that hypothetical option E was NEVER the correct answer, people who commonly use these hypothetical flawed techniques in day-to-day arguments would still pick E.

Wondering if anyone in the nyc area is interested in starting a study group. I usually go to the library in midtown every weekend to study but I think it would be really helpful to have a small group to exchange strategies with/take practice tests with. message me if ur interested!

How do I become better at identifying referential phrasing? I feel like I'm very slow and inaccurate at identifying them and being able to point them out. I would appreciate any advice or help given!

Proctors:

Friendly enough, spoke clearly and answered questions clearly.

Facilities:

The Test was downtown Grand Rapids, address clearly marked, easy to find from directions on Western's website.

What kind of room:

They split us by last name into 4 medium sized lecture halls on two different floors. Air conditioned, felt roughly 68 degrees, comfortable the whole time.

How many in the room:

35-40

Desks:

Continuous table with a space skipped between each test taker. More than adequate space for test booklet, answer sheet and gear. Chairs were adjustable and comfortable, more than satisfactory. Clearly visible clocks on either side of the room, Large enough to see hands and numbers easily.

Left-handed accommodation:

Yes

Noise levels:

Nothing from outside the room. I never noticed traffic, construction, train sounds, or anything like that. Just pencil scratching and occasional cough or sniffle.

Parking:

There's a free public parking ramp next door, which I only realized afterward Next building south on Commerce! :( Otherwise there is minimal metered parking on the street.

Time elapsed from arrival to test:

Check-in was at 12:30, I was in my car at about 5:45 So about 5 hours. Took a long time to get everyone check in and start the test, but once we started the proctors didn't waste any time.

Irregularities or mishaps:

NA

Other comments:

Would you take the test here again?

Certainly, planning to come September unless my score is shockingly high, haha

Date[s] of Exam[s]:

June 12, 2017

Hey everyone, I am new to 7sage and I am just wondering if the problem sets in the core curriculum should be done all at once. I have been trying to find out if I should save them or knock them all off at once. I am only two weeks into my study but I am getting a little bored with the problem sets. I think it is because I did study for a few months a few years ago so I think maybe I know the fundamentals and should keep the problem sets for when I am confused. Or if I find out I have a problem with a question type later on. I was hoping someone could tell me what they do.

So I was utterly confused after reading the first sentence. I just didn't get how they were able to use the color of gazelle teeth to tell whether a group of humans were nomadic or not. I just don't understand how this "support" supports the conclusion that N was nomadic but C were not. How would the color of gazelle teeth tell you anything about human lifestyle?

What are you even supposed to do after reading an argument like this and being utterly confused? I can skip but that just delays the inevitable. I have to come back it. How do you talk yourself out of confusion?

Admin Note: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-c2-section-2-question-17/

Hi, could someone who understands this passage thoroughly translate paragraphs 3 and 4 with me? JY's explanation video for this passage zoomed through the last paragraph and I was still left pretty confused.

I do understand that overall, this passage is detailing Meyerson's critique of CLS and Paragraph 3 gets at one of her main issues with a key tenet of CLS, namely that just because we have two equally compelling solutions to a legal question, it must therefore mean that any choice between the two must be random or irrational and I get that she clearly doesn't agree but what I don't understand is why M would choose to bring in an "utterly unreasonable answer" to help decide between the two solutions. Like how would that help?

And for the last paragraph, is that first sentence just a really long-winded, abstract way of saying that the legal process is not necessarily moral? I also am confused about the whole who endorses the rules of the game in the final three sentences. What is the actual point of all this?

And I get it, during timed conditions I cannot hope to understand every detail but I'm reviewing right now and would like to try.

Admin Note: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-30-section-3-passage-3-passage/

Does anyone know which PT the April flex might be like? Did powerscore say anything? Info about the June test would also be great.

Hi guys,

I've received offers from both these universities in Australia. UNSW has also offered me 36 credits for previous study (i.e. six subjects), while Melbourne hasn't. While I see that Melbourne is #1 in Australia, UNSW is not far behind (#3 or #4?)

Should I not worry about the time and money (since it won't be a lot in the long run) and go for Melbourne? Which university will have more value and better job prospects?

Omg guys I am freaking tf out. I was in the middle of taking my exam and during the intermission I grabbed my phone to put it in the other room and when the proctor had me rescan the room she cancelled the exam because I touched my phone. What are the chances of the LSAC letting me retake my LSAT for January?? This was supposed to be my last LSAT before applying for the cycle so the next test that I would be able to sign up for would be in March which might be too late for this cycle. Ahhhhhhhhh I feel so stupid but does anyone have any insight???

All apps have that question and obviously Dean's list etc goes on. What about awards and distinctions from extra curriculars? I mean things like sports disnitctions or maybe choir/drama like a special distinction or award for performing arts participation/commitment? Would it be reasonable to include those here?

Thanks in advance!

Hey,

I am taking the lsat in January and have the first draft of my PS done. Is anyone interested in providing notes/feedback? I will review yours in return.

Thanks!

Study buddies near 76549 or 71601?

I am currently studying the test untimed.

I usually do one LG section and one RC passage on day 1 and one LR section and one RC passage on day 2. And i repeat that everyday.

My LG is -1 ish

My LR is -8 ish

My RC is -8 ish.

These are untimed.

I don’t mind the score range as long as we are able to talk about the test and share thought processes.

I noticed that some law school applications have a diversity question separate of the diversity statement asking you to list any diversity characteristics that you would like to provide. From Washington University's application portal:

Please list any diversity characteristics that you would like to provide (cultural, sexual and/or gender minorities, disabilities, age, religion, immigrants, socio-economic, etc.). Applicants may also attached an optional Diversity Statement to their application as an addendum. (maximum characters 300)

What is the purpose of this short section? Is it to quite literally list out one's diversity characteristics, as opposed to writing a narrative about them? I have a diversity statement prepared, which I plan to upload. Please let me know your thoughts on completing both the short section and diversity statement.

Anyone up for NON-American time zone study buddies? No hard feelings to my fellow American friends - I learned that when the time zone is different, it's pretty much impossible to keep each other accountable for studies. Msg me your telegram ID.

Hi there!

I am looking to connect and possibly to meet up with other individuals in and around Milwaukee, WI who are planning to take the LSAT anytime in 2018 for mutual help, support and encouragement.

Thanks!

I just got accepted, but I haven't received any scholarship info yet (which I was expecting because of my lsat/gpa relative to their medians). Any idea when they'll let me know?

This is from PT 46 LR 24.

For this statement "Anything that exists would continue to exist even if everyone were to stop believing in it", I know that to write it in a conditional, it would be:

If exists --> continue to exist even if everyone were to stop believing in it.

My question is on contraposing this conditional. My question is what to do with the "even if" in the negated form. Would this be the correct way to read the contrapositive of the above conditional?

If it does not continue to exist even if everyone were to stop believing in it --> does not exist, or could you also say,

If it does not continue to exist after everyone were to stop believing in it --> does not exist?

I know at this point this is a very cosmetic difference, but something about "even if" makes it sound like you're limiting certain possibilities, whereas "after" makes it more open-ended. I would love to hear some thoughts on this!

🔢 I'm currently scoring: 160-165 (Goal: 170s)

📆 My planned test date: June 2024

📈 To study, I have been: Drilling untimed and timed

🔑 My goals for this group are: Each participant will teach and take away a strategical approach to a question type. Ideally participants in the group have completed the core curriculum and have a good grasp of the different question types in LR and RC.

🔍 We'll focus on: LR and RC

📚 When we'll meet and what we'll do: Everyone takes the same PT before meeting up. At study group, we will discuss the questions we missed, focusing on optimal strategies for each question type. This can be on a weekly or biweekly basis.

✅ How to join: Join the discord: https://discord.com/invite/vtUaHu8E

I think the study group will be more effective when everyone gets a chance to discuss, so I'd like to keep this group relatively small. A group of 3-4 is great, max is 6.