Hello,

On average, when (March-May I guess?) do people receive replies from schools? If you apply early, do you get result early as well?

Thanks

I've been fluctuating anywhere from 158 to 165. I recently scored 165 on test number 60 (the last one I took). I was feeling pretty happy with the improvement I made (diagnostic 154). But I just took the 72 and bombed back down to the 158. I know a lot of people said at first when they hit the 70s, their scores went down. But I honestly can't see why I would have such a massive 7 points down as I really didn't find the fundamentals between the 2 tests that different. Any encouragement or thoughts on this would be helpful. Has anyone seen this happen to them?

Also if you're wondering why I'm skipping around numbers it's because I give my friend a number range and just have her pick one. :)

Hi guys I would appreciate it if someone could review my reasoning for this question and let me know if this is correct. When BRing I realized that I made a mistake and chose A rather than E which is correct.

Basically if negated, A says something along the lines of less than 51% of those people who abandon the use of chemical fertilizers will periodically grow alfalfa. Now this may be tempting but it doesn`t really do much, our argument doesn`t say that every person needs to make this switch, just that in order to improve the soil structure we need to ditch chemical fertilizers and begin growing green manure crops.

E is a much better answer because it tells us that we can`t use chemical fertilizers AND grown green manure crops, so we have to ditch chemical fertilizers as stated in the argument

When negated it sounds somewhat like, some farmers in the region will grow green manure even if they do not abandon the use of chemical fertilizers, suggesting that we do not need to ditch the fertilizers in order to grow green manure, and ruining our argument.

I also struggled a little with answer choice D, but here`s my reasoning

I think its incorrect because when negated it just says chemical fertilizers themselves do not have a destructive effect on soil, this can be true because the argument is assuming that its the switch from green manure to chemicals that has deteriorated the soil structure, it doesn`t need to be that the chemicals themselves are destructive.

Let me know what you think!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-73-section-2-question-20/

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Hi Everyone,

These questions are some of the most time consuming in LR, and there are many people in the LSAT community who advocate using certain techniques for eliminating answer choices on these questions quickly. These techniques include strategies like: matching the strength of the conclusion (qualifier words), the type of reasoning (conditional, causation, etc.), and other qualifier words such as most, some, all, etc.

However, I've noticed that in recent exams (70's), LSAC has made these questions (even!) more difficult and time consuming by including all of these features in most of the answer choices. (For example, if the stimulus uses "probably" in the conclusion, 4 out of 5 answer choices will all include the word "probably" too.) As a result, they've eliminated some of the 'quick and easy' tells that we had at our disposal to move through these questions faster.

Has anyone else noticed this trend? If so, what other techniques/shortcuts do you use in order to cut through the problem and eliminate wrong answers quickly?

Thanks!

Hey, hope this is the right place for this to go. I had a search of the forum and didn't see this question discussed before, so thought I'd throw out my 2 cents.

Doing some drills before this week's test I noticed a much faster way of getting to the right answer choice on Question 1 of Game 1 in this PT, compared to the video explanation. In the video JY skips Q1 because by the end of G1 you have more points of reference with which to brute force it. But I think it's perfectly do-able with just the rules, and I think it's a fast inference.

I set the game up the same as JY, except instead of representing his rule 1 with two crossed out and stacked boxes of BB (boy, boy) and GG (girl, girl), I just used the notation 1+ ---> BG. I think this notation helped me more quickly spot the inference I'm about to explain here.

So from the initial setup and from the first indented prompt we know that the game is going to have 3 lockers with one person in, and 2 lockers with two people in.

Combine this rule with JY's (or my) rule 1 and we then know that there is going to be two lockers with BG in there.

For the next two rules (rules 2 and 3) I used the exact same notation as JY.

As JY explains, from rule 2 and 3 we know J will have to share with N or T, since R must be alone. This allows for a further, vey simple inference which I didn't see JY make with respect to Q1.

We know we have two shared lockers with 1B and 1G in there, and we know that one of those two shared lockers is J and N/T. Since we know that the other shared locker has to have 1B and 1G in it, we then know that the other shared locker is going to have a girl in it. But there's only three girls. And one of them is going with J, and the other is always on her own (R). So the girl that goes in the other shared locker is just the one left over from our choice in the J, N/T locker. (T/N)

Thus, just from this basic inference from the setup and rules 2 and 3 we know at the very least that in the two shared lockers we will have J and N/T and, in the other, T/N. This allows us to completely solve question 1.

All we need to do is look for an answer choice that has J, N and T in it. Since only one answer choice has all these three in it, we know E is right straight away. If there was another answer choice that was, say, J N T and F, then we would have to check to see if F needs to share. But luckily there isn't, so you can answer it right away.

Hope this makes sense!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-31-section-1-game-1/

So....just went online to submit the final copy of my personal statement and it looks like the site has crashed. I've tried it from multiple different computers, asked my friends to try from home but they're also getting the same internal error message. Called admissions, no answer. Anyone else experiencing this?

I don't understand why answer C can not be correct. Wouldn't the fact that sicily was/was not cold affect the idea that the cold in China had nothing to do with the eruption? If you determine that it was not abnormally cold in sicily that would automatically mean that the eruption was not the cause of the cold in China.

Proctors: Middle of the road. Good but not great. Firm but not too strict.

Facilities: Plenty of room. Lighting could have been a little brighter. Temperature was fine. Chairs were reasonably comfy.

What kind of room: Large gathering room located in their Alumni Center which is just off campus.

How many in the room: We had about 25 but it could have easily accomodated several more.

Desks: Long skinny rectangles. Sadly, the surface was textured. Come on La Sierra.

Left-handed accommodation: Not needed with their setup.

Noise levels: Very quiet.

Parking: Plentiful and close. No sticker or permit needed.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: About half an hour.

Irregularities or mishaps: For some reason the proctor took about 3 seconds between sections 4 and 5 after she had moved at a much more normal pace on all the other change-overs. Watch reset had to happen super fast on that one.

Other comments: Bathroom facilities were decent and accomodated an appropriate number of people for the number who were taking the exam (which was NOT the case at my previous LSAT location).

Would you take the test here again? Yes

Date[s] of Exam[s]: December 5, 2016

Hi all,

So I am in AmeriCorps, and because of the structure of my program I get the opportunity to do a LOT of volunteer work. And when I say a lot, I mean volunteering for single events for around 10 different organizations. How should I put this in my resume? Should I leave out the more insignificant stuff, or just write something like "Volunteer for X, X, X, X, X, X..."

Question withdrawn.

The Question Bank is great!

Progressing through the PT phase, I was wondering if it is possible to have a Filter/Sort for the PT's that I have entered into Analytics to create problem sets to drill? Utilizing the problem sets within the curriculum was immensely helpful and I have created similar problem sets with PTs that I have taken. Curious if it could be easier to delineate which PTs to choose to create mini-drill sets and be able to maintain the integrity of fresh PTs?

Any advice appreciated to make it an easier process:)

(p.s. This post is in no way advocating for extensive drilling on a specific Question type - taking sections and being able to adapt as the questions are presented is paramount:)

Hi Guys,

I am going through the parallel thing and I think I have to look at the advanced logic first in order to do them.

Do you guys felt the same thing?

Hi Guys,

Can you guys please help me take a look if my analysis on B & C is correct? https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-17-section-3-question-08/

The question is very much like a SA question. The answer choices can be quickly eliminated by a match principle into the sufficient condition. However, I think we can expand on this problem more.

A is correct. So won't go into detail about it.

B. The sentence is wrong based on 2 reasons. The first reason is by putting the conclusion as the sufficient condition. Even if we were to change the answer into: If election campaigns are to be funded from public funds, it will allow politian to devote less time asking for money than serving the interest of the public, this is still wrong because it is formulated into a C-->P Relationship, while what we are looking for is P-->C relationship.

C is wrong because it talks of a different set that we do not know. Had this question be translated into an Inference MBT Except question, the asnwer choice then is correct.

D. is wrong based on 2 counts. The first count is of the same reason as B by messing up the location of the conclusion into the suffcient condition. But in addition to it that the question steam mix in an unrealted element. Evne if we have deleted that related element from the sentence, it is still incorrect and not 50% correct due to the location issue with the conclusion statement.

If we were to extent this answer choice's analysis a bit further.

Suppose that in this case, the answer choice for A is wrong too. But D is formulated in the following fashion: "if public funding of some activity produces a benefit to the public but also inevitably a special benefit for specific individuals, the activity should be fully funded by the public while the special interest taker group contributes proportionally more".

In this answer choice, iff answer choice is made wrong in other fashion. D will be correct on 2 counts. 1) The sentence is 50% correct. Although it do have irrelevant items in it but part of the argument goes through along with our principle. 2) It is the most correct answer in comparison with the rest of the answer choice.

Had LSAT do this, then the question's difficulty is pushed to a level 4 or 5 difficulty.

E. is wrong because it like C speaks of another different set of population that is above this univerise. Again, it can become a correct answer choice if it is an MBT Inference Except question.

Hi Guys,

I have noted a direct contrast between principle and MBT.

Take these 2 questions for example:

MBT: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-34-section-2-question-23/

Principle: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-25-section-2-question-11/

In the former one, anything that can be pushed out works as long as it abides to the principle within the stimulus.

However, of the latter one, when you are asked to draw a principle from the question, the right answer is best to cover 100% of the text. As by this logic, answer choice B is inferior than D solely because B only covered 50% of the argument while D covered all of them.

Hey all,

I will be taking the JUNE 2017 LSAT and I have just recently began studying . I live in Yonkers, NY but work in the city on the upper west side. I would prefer coffee shops anything after 3pm but am flexible for earlier. I would prefer someone at my level. I took a PT and my diagnostic was 149 :(. I Also drive so I don't mind traveling if you're in westchester or even NJ. I am using the trainer, bibles + manhattan books too.

Has anyone sent their applications over while the transcripts are still being sent over?

Hi,

I heard if you want to re-apply the same school you should re-write your essays, but what about LOR?

Can we use the same letters?

Thank you in advance,

Hi Can you please give me some tips for the writing sample, I need Some advice!

I was trying to send out transcripts and have received an error. Anyone else have the same issues?

Hello dear reader,

Im writing in for the mid 2017 exam. Late 20s male here looking for a determined study buddy...preferably one whom which we can become attached at the hip, and serve as an inspiration, and a constant reminder to each other of our impending success on the upcoming exam.

Please post a reply here if you're interested.

Goodluck to everyone reading this!

Anyone willing to review and provide feedback to my personal statement?

I have a half page C and F and 1 page (double spaced for both) diversity statement ready to go. Anyone have a couple of minutes to take a read through and give me their opinion?

Hey All, Im studying for the JUNE 2017 Lsat and I work in the city during the week but live in Yonkers. If anyone is from westchester county itd be great to meet in a coffee shop or bookstore. Anyways Message me :))))

Please note that the information below will change to reflect the information we get! Contribute if you can via the official February 2017 LSAT discussion (linked at the bottom of this thread) without going into too much detail. If you think something is wrong or should be added, please post in the thread and let me know.

Since it is the Feb. LSAT, please be aware that it is undisclosed and, as a result, I will not be updating this thread until I get multiple confirmations on a question.

Real Sections:

LG:

-Gold/Silver Vases/Plates

-12-Week Class Schedule

-Transcribing & Preparing for Interviews

-Different Libraries

RC:

-The Bumblebee's "Waggle Dance"

-Hindus and Romans / Patriotism

-Civil Courts / Judges and Juries

-Liberal Environmentalism / Ecology

LR:

-Speed Limits for Different Vehicle Types / Vehicle Emissions from 1967-1990 / Smog

-Global Warming/Climate Change

-Charles II

-Napoleon

-Meteorite and Nano-Diamonds

-Supernova and a King's Birth

-Ravens/Crows and Worms / Dropping Pebbles in a Tube

-Children Estimating Half-Full Beakers

-Plate Tectonics / Size of Planet

-Skilled Writer Politician Makes a Speech

-Company Criticism / Debt

-Government Sending Letters Across Country / Connecting People

-Middle-Aged Coffee Drinkers / High Blood Pressure

Experimental Sections:

LG:

-French/Russian Language

RC:

LR:

UNCONFIRMED:

If you can confirm that these are real / experimental, please do so by PMing me or posting in the main thread.

None yet!

This thread is closed for discussion. Official post Feb LSAT discussion here:

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