Hi 7Sagers!

It's been a good long while since I've been on this forum, but I thought I'd bring an admissions-related Q to our amazing community!

Here's my backstory: I applied last cycle to a bunch of schools and decided to accept admission to one, but then had to defer b/c I gave birth and wanted to spend the first year fully devoted to raising my now 2.5-month-old son :)

I met with a friend the other day who attends a certain law school I originally applied to but was rejected from last cycle. Even though my hard stats haven't changed (GPA, score on LSAT, which I have no plans on retaking), she recommended that given my significant change of circumstances, I should try reapplying to this law school again for the upcoming cycle and work on incorporating these big life changes into, and hopefully in the process improving, my messaging (i.e., all law school essays, including the optional ones). If I could have gotten into this school, I definitely would have accepted the offer btw!

But besides the fact that my GPA/LSAT are right at the 25% for this school, I explained to my friend that I had signed a deferral contract to the school where I accepted admission (which says very plainly that "By signing this form, I agree to: ...Refrain from submitting any additional law school applications..."), but she said people break these all the time and simply lose their seat deposit without any other serious consequences.

Giving up a seat deposit is one thing, and by virtue of applying to another school, I know I'd also essentially be saying "so long" to this law school where I've already been accepted... but are there really no other ramifications? No demerits I'd be getting on character/fitness?

If anyone who's been there/done that could offer some advice from their experience or general perspectives, I'd very much appreciate it!

I live in Japan so test dates aren't every month for me. I plan on taking Oct LSAT, however, I'm worried about my score. If I apply ED, then retake the LSAT in Jan, will my ED applications be able to see both scores? Or will it go off of the Oct LSAT only?

I'm planning on taking the LSAT in October or November or even both, and I've done prep tests 1-6. I know the earlier prep tests aren't exactly representative of what the modern tests are like, so which ones should I do from now until then? Any feedback is appreciated :)

Hello!

I understand that when doing LG, to help chain up the rules, sometimes you need to contrapose conjunctions and disjunctions ("and" turns into "or," and "or" turns into "and"). However, I'm struggling to remember how the flipping and negating goes. Does anyone have any tips on this?

E.g.

Original: G and S --> /I

Contrapositive: I --> /G or /S

Am I doing this correctly?

OR is it:

/G or /S --> I

(Do we flip conjunctions/disjunctions when contraposing, or just negate?)

Hey!

Can someone please explain how to interpret rules 3 and 4 of this LG? (PT B, S2, G2)

3: "If y is not in, then either L or O, but not both are in"

How I interpreted this rule:

Not Y --> L or O

Contrapositive:

Not L and Not O --> Y

4: "If it's not the case that the park contains both L and O, then it contains F and S"

How I interpreted this rule:

Not L and Not O --> F and S

Contrapositive:

Not F or Not S --> L or O

In the explanation video, JY has a world where L, O and Y are all in, and I don't understand how we got there. I'm sure I'm missing some kind of bi-conditional lesson, or something. Did he just "negate" rule 3 by just the wording like: "if L and O are both in, Y is in," and that's how we got a possible world where L, O and Y are all in? Please help me lol

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Does anyone have a good template for their wrong answer journal for reading comprehension?

I am sending everyone good vibes for a stress-free retake experience. I never got the chance to take the test Friday and spent days angry and upset about it. Then, I scored a 179 on a PT this week (my highest score yet) which reminded me that everything happens for a reason. I needed this confidence boost going into the test and now I know I am more than capable of achieving a score in the high 170s on this retake.

The only way I can look at the horrors of last weekend is that they were a blessing in disguise. The LSAT is like a lottery -- and the test this weekend will be the test we were meant to take! Trust the process even when it seems impossible. We all got this!!

The score I want is already mine. The score you want is already yours. Let's go claim it.

I have one month until my exam and am consistently performing the worst on RC. Usually -7/8. My problem is, I don't know what I'm doing wrong. From everything I have read and what my tutor is telling me, I read the passage correctly and comprehend everything in it, doing a low res summary along the way, ID-ing the MP, and completing an analysis of where the authors voice is. I am doing this in 4 1/2 min too. However when it comes to the questions (particularly ones that ask me to make an inference or decide what the author might agree/disagree with) I struggle a lot and it takes upwards of 5 min. I've noticed that once I go back through and BR (reread the whole passage and do every question again) I usually get -1/0. Not sure if this is because I know what the questions will ask and therefore where to focus in the passage or if I'm less stressed about time or something. I don't know how to improve or even where I'm going wrong. Help !!

Can anyone explain why E is the correct answer?

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Hello,

I am looking for a study group in the Boston area. I’m hoping to meet up and review prep tests and sections. Hoping to hammer out more specifics once a group is formed but at least three days a week of two hour sessions.

I’m a really firm believer in the group study environment for the LSAT. I believe it’s conducive to not only be around like minded individuals to motivate for studying, but also to teach and be taught by others.

I work a 9-5 in Cambridge and am very accessible to meet up and study in the in between time. I also have good access with the MBTA to get around when needed. Please let me know if you’re interested!

Working through the core curriculum and wondering if the problem sets use questions past PT 35. For some reason, the newer listed PT's in the 'practice' tab show me that I've already used up a few questions from each, even though I haven't done any prep tests yet. Could this be because of the problem sets or drills?

I want to keep the prep tests after 35 fresh and was wondering if there's a way to make sure I don't use questions from the newer test while doing problem sets/drills. Thanks

Was wondering if there is a breakdown of the average number of LR questions by question type? The LSAT Trainer book has a page that shows how many of each category is “normally” on each exam. however the categories dont match perfectly with the 7sage curriculum. I figured 7sage must have a breakdown so that we know which categories will have 5-10 questions, and which will have 0-2.

Hey! I need help (like really badly) on the whole grouping games concept of when a rule triggers/fails. I know in the lessons it says: rule only triggers when the sufficient is satisfied or the necessary is negated. On the other hand, rule fails when the sufficient fails or the necessary is satisfied. I am in desperate need of more information/explanation/a deeper dive on this. If any one knows what lessons in specific I should visit. PLEASE let me know. Anything would help!!!!!!

Hi! Not sure if this is a weird request but TLDR: trying to do one practice test a day (MINUS THE LOGIC GAMES SECTION) with someone over zoom (or something) because I keep getting distracted while taking tests and it's bad! Also I've never had a study buddy before and I feel like it would be nice.

Looking for someone who is willing to do this with me from 10:30 AM ET to 12:30 PM ET or so (can go a bit earlier or later, I'm actually pretty flexible with time so just reach out if you're even a little interested! It doesn't even have to be every day). We can use the leftover time to go over wrong questions (which there won't be a lot of, hopefully!!) and concerns/strategies. Again, not looking to do the logic games sections together. Currently scoring in the 177 range but am looking for a 180. Sorry if this sounds kind of hellish!! Please DM me if interested :) I'm currently on ptest 70 or so because I started at like 65 or something, but am flexible with which ptests we do.

🔢 I'm currently scoring: 177-178

📆 My planned test date: Sept 7 or maybe 8 I forget

📈 To study, I have been: Taking 1 ptest a day, just started trying drills on hardest mode

🔑 My goals for this group are: to hold each other accountable

🔍 We'll focus on: Reading Comp and Logical Reasoning

📚 When we'll meet and what we'll do: Daily, hopefully? Or even every other day, or even once every 3 days. Kind of up to you/how many people are okay with this LOL

✅ How to join: DM me if interested! If it ends up being a group that'd be nice.

If this is relevant, I'll be doing the questions w paper and pencil and also will be in a starbucks or something! Also I'm a woman if that makes you more comfortable.

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There was a link to a class I had saved where J.Y. was going over whether or not version 2 was right for us & I lost it. Does anyone know where I can find it? It was held about a month ago from what I remember for a week straight.

How can I see the explanation video for a drill question I got wrong?

Hi everyone. I am looking for a study buddy/study group to do PT review or timed drills together consistently.

My untimed PT score is usually above 170. I'm struggled with time management. Let me know if you are interested.

Hello everyone,

I've been tackling LG for some time now, and it seems that practice is paying off. However, in/out LG games still seem to tank my score when I am doing PTs. Therefore, I've been trying to target in/out games specifically, showing me what I may not be fundamentally understanding.

My main problem with in/out is S/N rules, mainly, when do conditional relationships trigger. I will attach two links to help explain my issue.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-93-section-4-game-3/ (PT 93 S4 G3)

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-61-section-3-game-1/ (PT61 S3 G1)

For example, in PT 93, JY explains that the first rule of the game is based on a conditional relationship. Though the presence of H or G (or both) being in means F is also in, it is suggested that F can be in by itself, meaning one (or both) of H and G can be out. Okay, that makes sense. That is the contrapositive of the rule. From now on, when faced with an in/out game, I will look at the relationship with even more skepticism.

However, this same skepticism created even more doubt when I would drill with other in/out games. In PT 61, I tried applying the same rules of conditional relationship to Q1. Normally, this question would have been easy, but since I was trying to gauge the relationship between rule #3, it came down to choosing either A or C. I picked C, despite knowing A would have been my usual answer. Of course, that was the only question I got wrong, because I didn't know how to apply the conditional relationship.

So far my intuition is telling me that such a conditional relationship similar to PT 93 is only when there is an "if"->"then" clause. I hope someone could let me know if that is the appropriate method of thinking when approaching conditional relationship, and if there are other methods to better clarify?

Hi folks,

I have a question about LSAT writing. I took the August LSAT the other day but have not yet taken LSAT writing. I am planning on doing so asap, hopefully tomorrow or the day after. But after reading what LSAC has to say about LSAT writing, I have a few unanswered questions.

LSAC says that testing in a room with a glass wall or door does not meet testing location requirements. Fine. But can I test somewhere that has a glass window that isn't an entire wall or door? There are very few rooms around that have no windows that I could test in. My apartment doesn't, and the local library (as far as I know) doesn't either.

Do I need to schedule a time to take the LSAT writing portion in advance, or can I take it as soon as the "Launch LSAT writing" link shows up in LSAC? Wouldn't I need to inform a proctor in advance that I'm going to take it at, say, 3:00 pm on Wednesday?

Thanks!

https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/sequencing-game-wa-twist-3-game-board-setup-1/?ss_completed_lesson=1115

Approximately 9:40 into the video, J.Y. says that a game piece that is the sufficient condition cannot be the item that goes twice because it would set up the necessary condition twice, which cannot occur in the context of the game.

I am confused why G or J can’t be in paired in the last group and cannot be the item that goes twice.

I recall in another lesson J.Y. saying in logic games where items can be used more than once, if an item is already triggered and satisfied, then that item can be used and isn’t constrained by it’s conditional relationship.

Does this sounds familiar to anyone or am I confused?

Hi guys! I have done a lot of research but I wanted to make sure what I am doing regarding the writing sample is okay!

I am signed up for the LSAT next week (pray for me). I know the writing sample opened already, but I want to focus on studying for the test and wait to worry about the writing section until after. I know not completing the writing sample ASAP may release your score later (but in my particular situation I am not in any rush to get my score back). SO, is it okay to start studying for the writing sample, and then take the writing sample a week or two after my actual test? I am just a bit confused if there is an actual deadline for completing the sample. Does anyone know any information about this? Thanks so much!

I recently took the LSAT writing section through the online proctored service. During the walk-through phase before the writing section is administered, the description states that any disallowed services on the computer will not be able to function once the LSAT writing section begins.

Surprisingly, while I was taking the writing section, Grammarly populated.

Has this occurred to anyone else?

Will the use of Grammarly disqualify my writing section?

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I'm feeling a major loss of confidence right now. I completed the LR curriculum with 7 Sage, and I'm consistently scoring -5/-6 on Logical Reasoning. I seem to not be able to get to the last 5 questions every time. What would you suggest I do next?