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We have, so far, five people including me joining the upcoming study session at Gangnam on Thursday, July 7 from 9 pm-11 pm. We can have around two more people if anyone else wants to join. We only meet offline because it is difficult to coordinate the time zone with other folks within 7Sage platform given that we are on the other side of the globe from the US and Canada. Participants in our group score ranges from mid 150 to early 170 official score wise. If anyone wants to join, feel free to send me a private message with a brief introduction.

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I am curious to know what the formulaic way of calculating the total number of worlds for any given game. Obviously, I will not use this during the test, this is based off pure curiosity to do on my free time! For example, for PT 30, S1, G4, I worked out 18 possible worlds that are definitive. Given the conditional nature of rules in a game, I think it would be fun to be able to go Good Will Hunting mode and see if I could plug in some numbers to a formula of some sort to see if I get the same output as 18. I was doing some online research and there is something called the combination formula!

How many preptests should we be taking a month before our lsat?

I recently was able to take part in a discussion with a very well respected and recognizable civ-pro professor. The question I asked the professor was: “is there anything you recommend that an incoming student learn or be aware of before they come into your classroom?” The professor answered with a very relaxed response that essentially stated: you could skim a commercial outline over the summer but you don’t have to, mostly relax and maybe read a novel [Paraphrase].

I found the answer shocking but it is also indicative of a response one gets quite often when asking this question. Some of the forms this answer takes are: “don’t bother learning anything.” “Don’t bother learning any substantive law, you don’t know what your professor is going to focus on.” Before I continue I should with full disclosure state that:

-I have yet to attend law school (This August I will be: God willing!)

-I did not study law in school formally and have never worked a legal job, my interest in law mainly comes from life experiences and my own independent watching of the news in my home country of the USA.

So ultimately because I come to this issue from a particularly inexperienced perspective, I might be completely wrong about my analysis so wanted to start this discussion as an open and transparent way of evaluating the arguments for and against doing 0L prep and to what extent.

My position:

Is a student in a better position if they go into an American law school not knowing anything at all about the law? Is that student going to be better prepared for a Con law class for instance if they have never heard of the 5th Amendment or the 14th amendment beyond a law and order rerun? Is that student going to be better prepared for a property class if they have never heard of the legal concept of trespass? Is a student better off as a “blank slate” to both learn the law, understand how that law might be applied to cases and then contextualize that information to such a degree that they can both effectively issue spot and know what is important for their professor come exam season?

I think the resounding answer to each of these questions is no, if we define “better off” as engaging with the material in a more meaningful way and doing better on exams, a student that knows something: what the basic elements of a contract are for instance, will be better prepared for the rigors of 1L than a student that knows nothing. As I have stated previously, I don’t know of any other domain of knowledge acquisition where an individual would be better off coming into something as a complete blank slate, think of how these pieces of advice (that are routinely uttered online in response to the 1L prep question) would sound:

1.The summer before med school, it doesn't help to know what the major functions of the liver are

2.The weeks before auto mechanic school, it is a waste of time to know what the major components of a car's fuel injection system are.

These pieces of advice hinge on a key assumption: that everything you could possibly need to know for the grades that largely (but not exclusive) determine your future employment will be dispensed in the classroom time. Could this be true? Airing on the side of caution, I would say no, but of course, my experience here is limited. Even if this is true, even if the exams are exclusively determined by what is stated in class, doesn't it help to come into the class with some background knowledge of the topic to be able to distill that information effectively? So for me personally, I just don’t believe the professor, respectfully. Civ-Pro is one of the most convoluted subjects I have ever looked into, with all due respect, I would rather struggle now when I have 2 hours per day to spare with the basics, then to struggle later, when 1L grades are on the line and my anxiety is running high and the cases we are reading are based on the foundations I’’m struggling at the very same time to learn. For me personally the question is not should one spend any time studying, but rather: how much time should be spent?

With that position outlined I should take the time to ask other 7Sagers:

-Did you 1L prep?

-If you did, did you feel better able to engage with the material?

-If you didn’t, do you wish you did?

-If you didn’t, did you feel “behind”?

-What do you wish you did differently?

*Fallacy alter: we might not be able to tell what the causal mechanism for being “prepared” here is. 1L prep or not.

So for me personally the question becomes: how much should I study? I have never heard the blank slate idea defended properly. I’m open to hear this case.

So for me, my plan is to read some outlines, continue taking the 7Sage courses, explore LarryLawLaw’s practice exam, read “getting to maybe” as well as some other 1L resources for bout 2 hours per day, schedule permitting. My plan is to be ready with the basics of each subject so I can build upon that knowledge and take practice exams. I don’t plan on writing a masters thesis on the origins of the 5th Amendment in British Common Law, lol, but giving myself some tools to be ready for the material. Gunner much? maybe… But as of this writing I simply cannot buy the blank slate approach.

*Full disclosure, no one paid me for this as an endorsement for anything, I receive no monetary kickback from anything I mentioned, this post is rooted in genuine curiosity and an attempt to stimulate engaging conversation with the users on this forum.

Questions for my fellow 0Ls:

-Are you prepping for 1L and if so, why and how?

-If not, why?

-Want to form an online study group, maybe reach out to some professors as guest speakers and review material together?

I should note here that I will commit myself to following up come 1L the best I can on these boards, particularly trying to answer the question: how much did 1L prep help me?

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Recently, I have realized I am pretty slow reader. When doing practice LSAT questions/exams, I have issues either reading too slow, or if I read too fast, missing key details or simply not understanding the stem.

Any advice on how I can improve my reading skills or practice it? I would prefer not to use LSAT questions not in the core curriculum, as I do not want to read ones I potentially may come across in future LSAT practice exams.

Thanks!

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How many lsat preptests should we be taking from now until the august lsat?

Hi guys,

I have been struggling recently with test anxiety. There was a wonderful few weeks where I actually really looked forward to every test and saw them as a really enjoyable part of my day, but now they just fill me with dread. On the days I take PTs I feel sick and anxious all day because I feel like if I do badly then the entire week of studying will have been a waste. This stress often leads me to feel panicked during PTs which really affects my timing and focus. The anxiety has been exacerbated by a recent score regression. It feels like a vicious cycle. I took a few days off from everything LSAT to reboot and even pushed my test date back to ward of that "impending doom" feeling, but I am still so stressed about PTs and even drills. Has this happened to anyone else and what helped you get through it?

Thanks in advance!

I just want to say that this resource was life changing for me. I self studied using only 7sage for 6 months and went from a diagnostic of 154 in December to 177 on my first official LSAT this June. Thank you thank you thank you 7sage, JY, and the community of people here. If I can give back in any way to anyone who is a part of this community, please do not hesitate to reach out to me.

Is there a way to add extra time on PTs for people with accommodations? If not, I think that would be a good improvement to help people prepare most realistically for the actual test day

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For this webinar, we'll be going over the best way to tackle reading through RC passages (especially the more dense, 5-star ones) and how to strategically eliminate answer choices so that you can leave each question with 100% confidence! If you feel like you struggle to identify the main idea of a passage, find yourself going back to the passage for multiple questions, or get trapped between two answers that both seem correct, this webinar will give you the tools you need to address those issues and master this section!

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Is there any way to see and navigate through the full course concept tree that JY uses in the videos? I think it would help me connect the dots a little bit as to how some concepts relate to each other and help me figure out what to study again.

Is the recording going to be posted?

Hello!

I'm wondering how to share my LSAT analytics with a Study Buddy. Can someone provide me with the process? Thank you!

Hello! Is there a Zoom link out there currently within the 7Sage community that allows people to join in whenever they want while taking PTs? I think it would be super helpful to practice this way as to ease my nerves on the day of the actual test (I've realized it distracts me to think someone is watching me take the test).

Thank you!

After studying using 7sage, using the logical reasoning loophole, LSAT Bible, all that I could afford to study for this god awful test I only increased my score by 3 points from my November 2020 Test. I have spent so long studying and feel like it is all for nothing.

I was scoring on practice test on here near 165-167, I was so confident on my test. Unlike the US, Canadian schools have a harder entry standard. They won't even accept or look at a candidate under 165. I really have lost all hope and think this is enough trying and enough paying. I really thought this time around with 7sage and over a year of studying would be different. I did everything I was suppose to but still not good enough.

Trying my very best not to let this get to me, but its so hard to think that you can use all these resources and still not get there. I feel exhausted. Congrats to those that did well,. Maybe on day law school will look at only GPA and then I could have a shot.

You've spent months foolproofing games, sharpening your conditional logic and reading endless passages about aboriginal handcrafts in preparation for the LSAT. You are ready to sit the exam when you get the email from LSAC saying, "You must complete the LSAT Writing section before receiving your score."

Don't stress, we here at 7Sage have you covered! We offer a 100% free guide to the LSAT Writing section that explains what it is, how you can prepare for it and whether it matters at all!

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I am currently with three other people studying for the LSAT at Gangnam on weekdays afternoon. We book a study cafe meeting room for three hours and do one LG and one LR sections and discuss about why we have chosen an answer choice we chose. This method surprisingly helps on how we end up making a stupid decision when we choose an answer because we talk about our reasoning out loud. One member has an official score of 172 on the LSAT Flex, the other is a PhD student, and the last member is getting around 160s. We are slated to meet at Gangnam station study cafe on upcoming Wednesday, July 6 from 7:00 pm-10:00 pm. The fee for using the study cafe is 5,700 KRW per person. If anyone is interested in joining, please send me an email at valuequietness@gmail.com with a brief introduction whether in Korean or English. Thanks!

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When taking PTs/the real test, do you hide your timer? Or do you keep it visible in the top-right corner? I'm not sure what the best practice is or if there is one. I've always hidden my timer while drilling but I'm curious to hear others' opinions.

Hey! I’m approaching my test date quick and I am still on the long logical reasoning section of the core curriculum. Can I jump around to logic games and RC to get a little of everything before the test date or should I follow through with the order of the curriculum. Please lmk what your guys experiences are and advice on jumping around or not. Thanks!

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This discord group has been active since June, and we discuss techniques for upcoming exams and give each other support!