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Hi all! I'm registered for the July FLEX test and have been studying for about two months now. I've been through the PowerScore LG Bible Manhattan Prep LR and RC. I've also worked through a bunch of the core curriculum lessons, particularly for areas where I need the most help.

My diagnostic score way back in March was a 154, with my weakest section being LG. I've only taken 7 full tests since then, but I'm panicking a bit because my scores vary pretty significantly. My highest scores have been a 169 + 170, and my lowest scores have been 161 + 162.

For reference, my goal score is a 168. My undergrad GPA is a 3.95, so I'm really hoping to go to a T25 with a pretty significant scholarship.

I'm just stressed because I feel like I understand the LR pretty well, but in the practice test I just took today, I got 10 LR wrong in a single section! Does anyone have any advice? Has this happened with any of you? How can I make sense of this variation in PT scores?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated because I'm started to freak out, especially as the test keeps getting closer.

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Hey anyone down to go through this game. According to the information out there it’s seen as one of the most challenging grouping games. I completed the game untimed and only missed 2; so when I went back to the video explanation on the site, JY set the game up different from mine. I used RSTY for my slots and GPLH for my moving variables. I got question 9 wrong because I flat out could not figure out what it was asking me:( and I got 11 wrong - now for this question I did huddle my variables and realized G was the most restricted, however I didn’t understand why answer B was correct over C :( ... can someone please provide a video and/or feedback for this game.

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I graduated in 2013 with a 2.88 GPA, and my winter quarter freshman year, I totally tanked. At the time, I was playing a collegiate sport, and had taken chem/calc. Needless to say, my grades were awful, and I was subject to academic disqualification as a result. I quickly changed my major, and stopped sports at the end of my freshman year (mostly due to injuries, partly due to grades). I was in good academic standing for the remainder of undergrad.

For the most part, my grades slowly got better after that one quarter, but in general, I was not a good student my first two years - I wasn't very mature, and didn't take some classes seriously. To add to that, I also graduated two quarters early, so I wasn't able to take extra classes to boost my GPA.

My official transcript does not show that I was in bad standing that one quarter, but I plan on applying to law school at the same place I did my undergrad, as well as a couple other places. Regardless, is this something that I should/need to discuss in an addendum?

I'm planning on taking the LSAT in August, with a goal of 170. I worry that with anything much lower than that, I will be discarded, due to my GPA.

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Does anyone have screenshots or can they describe how RC section on Lawhub (or ideally LSAT flex) looks on a larger monitor? This is a minor concern but I am studying on a 14 inch laptop and find the scrolling on RC passages makes it slightlly harder to retain the structure. I am wondering if on a larger monitor you can see the entire passage without having to scroll.

Thanks for any info!

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Starting to foolproof logic games, and I'm wondering what other people's personal practices are for the process (i.e. how many games do you do per day, do you wait until you've mastered a game before you start a new one, or do you rotate between a few while mastering them, etc.) I can't help but feel like I'm neglecting other sections of the test by devoting so much time to only LG, so I'm also wondering if y'all do different section types during a study day. Any details you can provide or tips about the process would be super helpful!

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I have a quick question on the application of the "or" rule in the Games. For an example, lets say that in a 8 slash sequencing line, if a rule states that L comes right before S or R comes right before H go together, this is an inclusive or right. If L comes right before S, it is still possible that R also can come right before H right?

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My college registars office handles transcripts and diplomas but they've been closed and unavailable for over 2 months. They said they would not take request until may 30 now its june 30. I was wondering if anyone else is in the same boat.

I just "graduated" in may but I am unable to get my transcripts or have them sent. I was originally planning on taking the year off to travel and teach abroad but that plan was crushed. My friend in law school suggested that since I'm taking the LSAT in june to apply for this fall since my #1 school is accepting the june LSAT and reopened admissions but I cannot get my transcript. Their new deadline is July 1.

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Hi, everyone! I wonder if y'all could give me some advice on how to improve my speed while also maintaining accuracy?

For the past few months, I have been practicing untimed PT sections (1-35) because I wanted to focus on improving my accuracy first. I started with a 144 for an untimed PT, and I have recently achieved at my 170 (but still untimed). Now I think I should focus on improving my speed, because under timed condition, I cannot finish all my LR questions. Usually there would be 4 or 5 left and I don't have extra time to check those questions that I am not pretty sure. I know that if I cannot increase my speed, then my actual score would be much lower. Therefore, I was wondering if y'all could give me some advice? I would really appreciate your help and kindness! Thank you!!

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I was doing an RC section yesterday - from PT 18, and I got 28/28 questions correct. Admittedly, this is a small victory in the general sense, but for me, it felt so good. I had never before scored perfect on any section - always at -1 or -2 being the closest I got. It felt absolutely outstanding to see all green everywhere. I have been improving greatly in my RC ability, and this felt satisfying. Motivation to keep going forward!

Additionally,

#BLM #NoJusticeNoPeace

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I am working on making an interactive flow chart, but I thought I would share what I have typed up so far. Please feel free to correct/add on, or give any suggestions on memorizing other than flashcards. I have a pretty ambitious idea for a flowchart/app, but it's hard to work on that and also study for LSAT so probably won't happen anytime soon.

**Weaken**

weaken

most vulnerable to the conclusion

most vulnerable

counts as evidence against

calls into question

**Strengthen**

strengthen

most helps to justify

Support

**Sufficient Assumption**

true if assumed

enable conclusion to be properly drawn

justify the conclusion

the conclusion follows logically if (This is also a keyword for MBT so watch out)

**Debate**

counter

in response to

**Paradox/Conflict**

most helps to explain

resolve

explain

account for

discrepancy

surprising result

**Conclusion**

main point

main conclusion

**Must Be True**

must be true

follows logically (also a keyword for SA so watch out)

inference

properly inferred

properly concluded

properly drawn

**MSS**

most strongly supported

most strongly suggests

**NA**

necessary

depends

required

relies

assume/assumption

the conclusion does not follow unless

the argument assumes which one

**Method **

argument proceeds by

describes

argumentative technique

method of reasoning

strategy of argumentation

**AP**

role in argument

function in argument

argument part

the reference to

the statement that

**Flaw**

flaw

most vulnerable to criticism

questionable technique employed

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So I am just now starting logic games and I am somewhat confused on when I should be doing the full proof method. Is that something that should wait until I start to PT, or should I full proof the problem sets from the CC as well? I am completely new to the games, and as expected I struggled on the first sequencing games. I am still having some trouble understanding if I need to go back and do the game over again or not like the full proof method says to do. If so, am I supposed to full proof every single problem set game that I struggle with initially?

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Hello everyone. With recent tests being LSAT-Flex, I wanted to find a thread that answers some questions I have in case August will also be flex. If you know of any info regarding August's test outlook, please let us known in this thread.

  • I heard some people say there's no scratch paper, is this true? IF so, how are we going to write down logic.

  • Any difficulties as far as the experience that should be known? Are we using our laptops at home? Will the mouse be able to highlight and all those features we had previously?

    • Any one else have questions or comments please add below :)

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    If a sentence gives an explanation, does this mean the sentence offers support? I've run into this issue twice on argument part questions. 70.1.17 was one, the other was on another test.

    As an example I've made a simple argument:

    Conclusion: Global warming is real.

    Premise 1: Global temperatures are rising.

    Explanation of premise1: Global temperatures rising means that a global phenomenon, like global warming, must be occurring.

    I've tried to make an argument where you have a clear conclusion, a supporting premise, then a sentence that gives more information on the premise. Does that explaining sentence give support to anything? Is an explanation the same as support?

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    Venting here a little bit but does anyone else feel like quarantine is accelerating the pace of burnout?? Not that anyone can change anything but I feel like I might be able to study more and more effectively without all this.. Apologies for the negativity.

    On the positive side, I scored my highest PT (41) ever last week (172 - 176 BR) which was pretty awesome but its just doing all of the drills, full-proofing and review in preparation for the next PT that just seems so much slower while at home with minimal routine.

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    I recently was able to take part in a discussion with a very well respected and recognizable civ-pro professor. The question I asked the professor was: “is there anything you recommend that an incoming student learn or be aware of before they come into your classroom?” The professor answered with a very relaxed response that essentially stated: you could skim a commercial outline over the summer but you don’t have to, mostly relax and maybe read a novel [Paraphrase].

    I found the answer shocking but it is also indicative of a response one gets quite often when asking this question. Some of the forms this answer takes are: “don’t bother learning anything.” “Don’t bother learning any substantive law, you don’t know what your professor is going to focus on.” Before I continue I should with full disclosure state that:

    -I have yet to attend law school (This August I will be: God willing!)

    -I did not study law in school formally and have never worked a legal job, my interest in law mainly comes from life experiences and my own independent watching of the news in my home country of the USA.

    So ultimately because I come to this issue from a particularly inexperienced perspective, I might be completely wrong about my analysis so wanted to start this discussion as an open and transparent way of evaluating the arguments for and against doing 0L prep and to what extent.

    My position:

    Is a student in a better position if they go into an American law school not knowing anything at all about the law? Is that student going to be better prepared for a Con law class for instance if they have never heard of the 5th Amendment or the 14th amendment beyond a law and order rerun? Is that student going to be better prepared for a property class if they have never heard of the legal concept of trespass? Is a student better off as a “blank slate” to both learn the law, understand how that law might be applied to cases and then contextualize that information to such a degree that they can both effectively issue spot and know what is important for their professor come exam season?

    I think the resounding answer to each of these questions is no, if we define “better off” as engaging with the material in a more meaningful way and doing better on exams, a student that knows something: what the basic elements of a contract are for instance, will be better prepared for the rigors of 1L than a student that knows nothing. As I have stated previously, I don’t know of any other domain of knowledge acquisition where an individual would be better off coming into something as a complete blank slate, think of how these pieces of advice (that are routinely uttered online in response to the 1L prep question) would sound:

    1.The summer before med school, it doesn't help to know what the major functions of the liver are

    2.The weeks before auto mechanic school, it is a waste of time to know what the major components of a car's fuel injection system are.

    These pieces of advice hinge on a key assumption: that everything you could possibly need to know for the grades that largely (but not exclusive) determine your future employment will be dispensed in the classroom time. Could this be true? Airing on the side of caution, I would say no, but of course, my experience here is limited. Even if this is true, even if the exams are exclusively determined by what is stated in class, doesn't it help to come into the class with some background knowledge of the topic to be able to distill that information effectively? So for me personally, I just don’t believe the professor, respectfully. Civ-Pro is one of the most convoluted subjects I have ever looked into, with all due respect, I would rather struggle now when I have 2 hours per day to spare with the basics, then to struggle later, when 1L grades are on the line and my anxiety is running high and the cases we are reading are based on the foundations I’’m struggling at the very same time to learn. For me personally the question is not should one spend any time studying, but rather: how much time should be spent?

    With that position outlined I should take the time to ask other 7Sagers:

    -Did you 1L prep?

    -If you did, did you feel better able to engage with the material?

    -If you didn’t, do you wish you did?

    -If you didn’t, did you feel “behind”?

    -What do you wish you did differently?

    *Fallacy alter: we might not be able to tell what the causal mechanism for being “prepared” here is. 1L prep or not.

    So for me personally the question becomes: how much should I study? I have never heard the blank slate idea defended properly. I’m open to hear this case.

    So for me, my plan is to read some outlines, continue taking the 7Sage courses, explore LarryLawLaw’s practice exam, read “getting to maybe” as well as some other 1L resources for bout 2 hours per day, schedule permitting. My plan is to be ready with the basics of each subject so I can build upon that knowledge and take practice exams. I don’t plan on writing a masters thesis on the origins of the 5th Amendment in British Common Law, lol, but giving myself some tools to be ready for the material. Gunner much? maybe… But as of this writing I simply cannot buy the blank slate approach.

    *Full disclosure, no one paid me for this as an endorsement for anything, I receive no monetary kickback from anything I mentioned, this post is rooted in genuine curiosity and an attempt to stimulate engaging conversation with the users on this forum.

    Questions for my fellow 0Ls:

    -Are you prepping for 1L and if so, why and how?

    -If not, why?

    -Want to form an online study group, maybe reach out to some professors as guest speakers and review material together?

    I should note here that I will commit myself to following up come 1L the best I can on these boards, particularly trying to answer the question: how much did 1L prep help me?

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