478 comments

  • Sunday, Aug 17, 2025

    "The only" not being included in the Group 1 indicators video then being the crux for question 3 is a bit whack.

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    Monday, Aug 18, 2025

    @DavidFranz thank you!! I was looking in here for validation. this tripped me up so bad.

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    Wednesday, Aug 27, 2025

    @DavidFranz it def seemed to fit the group 2 indicator list

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    Thursday, Oct 30, 2025

    @dvo1d So "The Only" should be added to the sufficient condition list? Right ?!?!

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    Tuesday, Aug 11

    @DavidFranz "the only" was listed in the text under the video. I've noticed that sometimes the text includes more details than the videos.

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  • Edited Monday, Feb 16

    "The only" is the only sufficient "only" ...helped me immensely to remember that. Lol.

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  • Tuesday, Feb 11, 2025

    #feedback For anyone confused on Q3, "the only" is a group 1 - sufficient indicator. In Lesson 16, if you took notes from the video and not the written explanation, you may have missed it (like me lol).

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  • Friday, Jul 11, 2025

    as others have said, the video on group 1 indicators must be edited because i too am only watching the videos, and the list did not include "the only" so question 3 had me very confused.

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  • Wednesday, Jul 16, 2025

    im confused, i thought only and only if were necessary indicators, but for question 3, why is "only if" a sufficient condition indicator?

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    Tuesday, Jul 29, 2025

    @joannaw "The only" is a sufficient indicator; "only" and "only if" are necessary indicators. Question 3 states "the only oral myths..." means that oral myths will be the sufficient indicator.

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    Wednesday, Aug 6, 2025

    @joannaw So here I read it as these oral myths survived and nothing else instead of reading it as oral myths survived only because of blah blah blah. It's like saying "She was the only person in the room" vs. "She can only be in the room if there are other people there" Just my two cents! I hope this helps!

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  • Thursday, Jun 5, 2025

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    Saturday, Jun 7, 2025

    Charlie, is that you?

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    Wednesday, Jul 2, 2025

    @jtlopez4964 If I have a noisy cat, then I will get Kitten Mittens.

    Noisy Cat->Kitten Mittens

    /Kitten Mittens->/Noisy Cat

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  • Wednesday, May 27

    This is deeply frustrating. There should have been an earlier explanation to distinguish cases in which "only" is used in the sufficient condition versus the necessary condition. This course cost far too much to lack in clarity in the word "only". Since "only" will be a frequent word on the test, it would be helpful to have a video on its use cases for students to distinguish when it's being used as a sufficient indicator vs. a necessary indicator.

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    Wednesday, May 27

    @Arkavian i think in the conditional and set logic folder, GROUP 1 AND GROUP 2 are specifically for the indicator words "only" and "the only"

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    Edited Tuesday, Jul 7

    @Arkavian Were you ever able to understand this issue? I'm currently stuck on it

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  • Thursday, Apr 23

    Lost me on Question 3:

    If the word "only" indicates that a necessary condition will follow, why is it considered the sufficient condition and not the necessary condition?

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    Sunday, Apr 26

    @Jbshallenberger "The only.." indicates sufficient. This is different than "Only...", which does indicate necessary.

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    Thursday, May 7

    @Jbshallenberger when did it say that "the only" is sufficent ? I did no see that anywhere

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    Edited Tuesday, May 19

    @VanessaMancuso23 go back a couple lessons. Its in the sufficient list.

    And try it out for yourself. Try to form "The only oral myths that have survived are the ones that were eventually written down." in such a way that "only" comes before "written down" instead of "survived". You won't be able to use "the only", you'll have to use "only" by itself. ie, "Only the myths that were written down are the ones that survived".

    Its kinda an anecdotal exercise to prove to yourself there is more of a significant difference between "the only" and "only" than first meets the eye!

    "the only" marks sufficiency and "only" marks necessity.

    Just like "if" marks sufficiency and "only if" marks necessity!

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    Saturday, May 23

    @Jbshallenberger - I am also confused on #3. I went back to the previous video that introduced the Group 2 indicators, and "only" is at the top of the Group 2 indicators:

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    Sunday, May 24

    @Jbshallenberger I had the same thought, but I think it would change if it said something like "Only oral myths that have survived were eventually written down."

    As a thought experiment, if there were 5 oral myths that were written down, then all 5 of those survived because they were written down. There may be 10 total surviving oral myths, but it is not a necessary condition that all of them be written down. The other 5 may have survived for other reasons (maybe they are really captivating stories that never needed to be written down.)

    Maybe another way to think about it is to say that even if we remove the word "only" from the question stimulus, it would not change the meaning of the sentence:

    "The only oral myths that have survived are the ones that were eventually written down."

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  • Wednesday, Oct 23, 2024

    I had to go back through the lessons but for question 3

    All group 1 indicators consists of

    If

    When

    Where

    All

    Every

    Any

    THE ONLY.*

    GROUP 2 INDICATORS

    only

    only if

    only when

    only where

    always

    must

    I thought it was group 2 indictor but the statement reads "THE ONLY" which is in group 1 indicator.

    Hope this helps because I was confused until I went back through the lessons.

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    Monday, Oct 28, 2024

    Thank you!!

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    Thursday, Jan 23, 2025

    lolll I bet you added THE ONLY because of PT 102, Section 2, Q23

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    Thursday, Nov 21, 2024

    Thank you, I was getting hung up on this exact fact.

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  • Edited Monday, Sep 1, 2025

    This is a very poor explanation of #3. I have enjoyed this program until this point. But he has taken many liberties and made many assumptions leading a very incomplete explanation of the process used on #3. And that is also clearly voiced in the comments. This is disappointing. Edit the video here, draw the subset and super set, and provide further clarity for this question. Again, it is clear by reading the comments (over 350 and counting) that people are not only struggling with this question, but they find the explanation to be incomplete and insufficient for complete understanding.

    Edit: Now that I have focused on the other questions more closely, I can say that most of the explanations of this video are not like previous videos. The explanations need to have more detail. Every single one should have a diagram and all of them should be translated back into English after the contrapositive. This is still early in the core curriculum. Many of us (again, check the comments) are searching for clarity. We have not ventured this far into the core curriculum because we are doing this as a hobby. We are driven and care a great deal about understanding all of the content. Hopefully you will consider editing this video. For those that did not see the group one list and "the only" was missing from the video: while I understand your frustration, and empathize, it was clearly an oversight. That kind of mistake is easily rectified by reading the text or reading the discussion.

    However, 7Sage, what isn't easily rectified is brief and/or incomplete explanations of process and solutions. I have really enjoyed and appreciated this program thus far. However, please improve the video for this lesson. Thank you.

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    Tuesday, Sep 16, 2025

    @StanHolt i love you. Thank you so much.

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    @StanHolt Thank you. I totally missed "the only" on the list as well and got the question wrong.

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    Thursday, Nov 27, 2025

    @StanHolt I totally agree... I was very confused.

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  • Thursday, Oct 30, 2025

    Can someone please explain to me how on number three - the "oral myths that have survived" is a sufficient condition when the indicator before it says "the only"? I thought "Only" was an indicator of a necessary condition.

    Anyone help me?

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    Sunday, Nov 2, 2025

    @KayceBassman i also thought this, after reading the comments people said "the only" should go in group 1 but idk 

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    Sunday, Nov 2, 2025

    @KayleeMurray Going through this module as a conditional logic refresher before my test this week, and what I found is that if you can intuitively translate the sentences into logical if-thens, which one is the sufficient condition and which one is the necessary will be easy to spot. So for #3, after I read it i went "okay so if it was an oral myth that survived, then it was one that that was eventually written down." OMS --> EWD (/EWD --> /OMS). Obviously with super convoluted sentences it's much harder to do this, but I did it with Q 1-6 and worked out every time.

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    Tuesday, Nov 4, 2025

    @apple Thank you!

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    Edited Tuesday, Nov 18, 2025

    @KayceBassman I just copied this from another time I posted it but here is how I learned them.

    For those of you who noticed that "Only" is mentioned both in the group 1 indicators and in the group 2 indicators the way that I found that is simple to remember it is "THE ONLY time it is group 1 is when it says THE ONLY". Every other time that only is used as an indicator it is referring to group 2 (only, only if, only where, only when). For some reason I naturally want to start out that sentence with "the only" every time which makes it easy because it matches.

    Group 2 Logical Indicators

    (R.O.M.A)

    -Requires (not listed but if x requires y then it is the same type of relationship)

    -Only, only if, only when, only where

    -Must

    -Always

    Note: I am choosing to think of "requires" as the same as a Group 2 indicator because the Nec. idea would follow the indicator but if the wording is anything slightly off from "X requires Y" then read it carefully and figure out what direction the "require" word is pointing you to. "Required" would point the other way.

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    Monday, Nov 17, 2025

    @WillowBound2 Thanks! This one got me

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    Sunday, Dec 7, 2025

    @apple you could have reversed that logic and been valid and also incorrect.

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    Monday, Aug 3

    @KayceBassman i kind of took it as we are only speaking on oral myths that are passed down have been written. So like if they haven't been written down they have not been passed down and wouldn't have fallen to the set of oral myths that we being talked about.

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  • Wednesday, Jul 22

    sighs opens comment section

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  • Monday, Apr 7, 2025

    I'm one of the confused group about question 3. When there is a "the" in front of "only", it is a sufficient condition indicator, but if I get rid of "the", it becomes necessary condition indicator. So if this sentence is "Only oral myths that have survived are the ones those were eventually written down.", Lawgic would be written down-->survived? This doesn't make much sense to me bcs those two sentences sound the same to me.

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  • Tuesday, Jul 9, 2024

    For questions like 7.1 and so on, are we still supposed to do a contrapositive? Why weren't these included in the example? Is that only done for necessary?

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    Thursday, Jul 18, 2024

    I would also like to know this

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  • Friday, Jun 6, 2025

    I do not understand question 3. If the necessary condition goes after the arrow, sufficient condition → necessary condition. And the indicator introduces the nessary condition, in this case "only" oral myths that have survived are the ones that were eventually written down.

    wouldn't the answer be "written down-> oral myths that survived" instead of the other way around?

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    Saturday, Jun 7, 2025

    "The only" is an indicator word for group 1. It can be a bit confusing since most of the words for group 2 contain only. In the group 1 lesson, he doesn't add 'the only' to the indicator set until the review of the lesson.

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    Wednesday, Jun 11, 2025

    I believe that this is one of those scenarios where we can't always assume that "only" is going to indicate the necessary condition. I made this mistake too.

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    Thursday, Jul 10, 2025

    @nathalieleija338 i think of it in terms of sets; "the only" sounds like a subset since the entire group would have to be contained within the "myths that were written down" superset.

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    Wednesday, Jul 23, 2025

    @jdodson8585 It's listed in the Group 2 lesson as a necessary condition indicator for some reason.

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  • Friday, Jan 31, 2025

    #feedback: Questions like #3 actively throw me off what would otherwise be a solid learning course. I'm getting the impression that it's meant to show an outlier to the rules for necessary condition signifiers, but I'd rather you just let me learn the basic rules before throwing outlier examples at me.

    As it's set up now, I feel like #3 contradicts what the course taught me, making me less likely to rely on necessary signifiers as a whole moving forward. It doesn't help that the video explanation makes no mention at all of the obvious contradiction.

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    Saturday, Feb 8, 2025

    I think doing a visual graphic before lawgic would help here as "written down myths" would be the superset as it is necessary for "the ones that have survived" subset

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    Monday, Feb 3, 2025

    Question 3 is not showing an outlier. Question 3 is tricky because it's a group 1 indicator, not group 2. "The only" is group 1, while "only", "only if", "only when", and "only where" are all group 2 indicators.

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  • Sunday, Jan 18

    I just looked at the conditional indicators and for question 3 Only is a necessary condition not suffieicient, can someone clarify I am not understanding why they are using it in the example as suffiencient when only is necessary

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    Kevin_Lin Instructor
    Sunday, Jan 18

    @LauraBolivar https://7sage.com/lessons/foundations/conditional-and-set-logic/group-1-sufficient-condition-indicators

    There's a difference between "The only" and "only." "The only" introduces a sufficient condition.

    The only students who studied got As.

    = studied --> As

    Only students who studied got As.

    As --> studied

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    Saturday, Feb 28

    @Kevin_Lin The video for the lesson didn't have "the only" listed as one of the indicators but the text below the video does. Are we supposed to be watching the videos AND reading the text? Is it possible to have the text and videos be consistent with one another?

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    Tuesday, Jun 9

    @Laylay I back this statement

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  • Tuesday, Oct 15, 2024

    I didnt understand how is 'The only' a group 1 indicator?

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  • Tuesday, Apr 23, 2024

    Another example of how a skill builder does not take 30 minutes. It would be exceptionally helpful to have an accurate reflection of how long these take so we can plan accordingly with our study schedule. This took me 3 days.

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    Monday, May 6, 2024

    not sure if you do something like this already (and if so, feel free to ignore!), but for the sake of time, i usually skip a few questions since most of them within the same "section" (i.e. 1., 2., 3._) follow similar formats (ex. majority of the questions in section 2 followed an "only [sub][pred]" format).

    for instance, if i know that each "section" has 5 questions, i usually do the best 3-4/5 so i can move on to the next section. definitely helps with making things move a bit quicker!

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    Thursday, Apr 25, 2024

    Agreed.

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  • Sunday, Jun 14

    4/5! But why is #3 approached as a sufficient condition? Isn't 'only' a necessary condition indicator? Wish the video would have spent more time explaining that rather than breaking down modifiers of the word myth :/

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    Edited Wednesday, Jun 17

    @hjr210400 In my notes from a previous video, I have "the only" as a sufficient condition indicator, which is what that question starts with.

    Maybe if it had started with just "only", then it would've been considered a necessary condition

    It is a little confusing though but that's how I was able to get it right.

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  • Sunday, Apr 19

    meow

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    Tuesday, May 12

    @NolanWright murr

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  • Tuesday, Jan 20

    I am confused by this. In the necessary indicators Group 2 the words "only", "always", and "must" are used. For question 2, how is "every time" not a necessary condition indicator? Why is a sufficient condition indicator.

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  • Saturday, Nov 29, 2025

    Necessary Condition (NC) = Superset

    Sufficient Condition (SC) = Subset

    If SC is met then the NC is also me.

    However the NC can be met while the SC is not. (Kamar being late but not getting cited).

    This breakdown has helped me sooo much.

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  • Saturday, Jan 4, 2025

    I found 3 confusing. The ONLY myths survived. I wrote it down as written down> myths survived. Because ONLY is an indicator of a necessary condition found on the right side of the equation

    .

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    Monday, Jan 6, 2025

    Hi!! While it's true that "only" is a group 2 necessary indicator, "the only" is a group 1 sufficient indicator. So, the lawgic on that problem should look a little more like this instead.

    The only oral myths that have survived are the ones that were eventually written down.

    survived -> written

    /written -> /survived

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    Friday, Jan 10, 2025

    I'm still unclear why "only" and "the only" would indicate different things.

    If I say, "The only reason I am going to the party is because Nelson will be there." versus " I am only going to the party because Nelson will be there."

    What is the difference? Why would one sentence indicate a sufficient conditional and the other imply a necessary conditional?

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    Monday, Jan 6, 2025

    Why wouldn't you clarify that in either video? It is extremely confusing, and I would think that you all would recognize this and address it.

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    Kevin_Lin Instructor
    Wednesday, Jan 15, 2025

    "The only people who are in the NBA are tall."

    Does this mean "If someone is tall, they play in the NBA"? Or "If someone plays in the NBA, they are tall"?

    "The only people who enjoy skydiving are not afraid of heights."

    Does this mean "If someone is not afraid of heights, they enjoy skydiving"? Or "If someone enjoys skydiving, they are not afraid of heights"?

    "The only people who are in law school are hard-working."

    Does this mean "If someone is hard-working, they are in law school"? Or "If someone is in law school, they are hard-working"?

    There's some more nuance with "the only," which is why the specific statements you came up with don't seem to fit. I'm not sure that I would even think of those examples as conditionals, although you could think of them as "If something is a reason I am going to the party --> fact that Nelson will be there." That sounds weird, I know, but if we wanted to force a conditional relationship onto it, that's one way to do it. When you come up with examples that involve a singular element like "the only reason," the statement ends up creating a biconditional relationship. "The only US president is Trump." This means "If US president --> Trump" and "Trump --> US president." That's because there's only 1 president; so whoever is president must be the only president.

    But when you have "the only" connected to a group, then "the only" introduces a sufficient condition. "The only US senators are lawyers." This doesn't mean every lawyer is a senator. It means "If US senator --> lawyer".

    Think about the following statements and you'll see that "the only" introducing sufficient and "only" introducing necessary will make sense:

    The only skilled pianists have years of training.

    Only those with years of training can be skilled pianists.

    The only people who enjoy surgery like the sight of blood.

    Only people who like the sight of blood enjoy surgery.

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    Wednesday, Jan 15, 2025

    Thanks for the added examples!

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  • Tuesday, Jul 23, 2024

    #feedback

    both 6.1 and 6.5 contain a predicate verb that is modified to the negation: Unaware and Unfamiliar respectively. Yet the answers are inconsistent.

    6.1 uses /aware to translate unaware. 6.5 uses unfamiliar to translate unfamiliar. Both end up meaning the same thing but for the sake of consistently I think it's best to use one method of translation to lawgic..

    I think it's especially harmful when these are the answers to questions so they might convince a student that they are wrong when it's just a difference of translation to lawgic. I personally was taken a back to see "unfamiliar" used in 6.5 after 6.1 used "/aware". If the purpose is to show this difference, I think a small note explaining that /aware and unaware as the same in lawgic and then being okay would be helpful

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    Friday, Sep 13, 2024

    You're so right. In the unaware question, unaware became not aware, which is written in lawgic as /aware per his example. Then in the unfamiliar question, unfamiliar is not negated to /familiar. On the left is how he solved for the problem and on the right is how I solved. I have already completed the 7sage curriculum but I found that this was VERY confusing when I first started 7 Sage. These things should be clarified early on as it can confuse many students later on, given that conditional reasoning is the foundational structure of the LSAT.

    Only those who are unfamiliar with the principles of plate tectonics are puzzled by the occurrence of earthquakes.

    How he solved:

    Puzzled --> Unfamiliar

    /Unfamiliar --> /Puzzled

    How I solved:

    Puzzled --> /Familiar

    Familiar ---> /Puzzled

    #support

    #help

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    Friday, Sep 13, 2024

    Same!!! I was about to ask about this!

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    Monday, Aug 5, 2024

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    Thursday, Aug 1, 2024

    hi! i just did and was sooo confused and did the same mistake. Was this an actual mistake? or are they both correct in whatever way you wrote it vs how they did?

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    Monday, Aug 5, 2024

    I agree! I was so confused I thought I made a mistake in translation

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