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I had a strategy for when to submit my applications but I'm kind of questioning it right now. So would love advice from anyone out there!
The situation: I just took December LSAT and it's my first official test. I was planning on submitting applications by mid-December so that they are received before the holiday break and would hopefully get faster/earlier decisions once the LSAT score comes through. However, I don't feel awful about my performance but also not great. I was PTing pretty consistently around 167 but I think my score is probably going to be closer to 165. I was hoping for a lucky break and it to swing a bit higher and be closer to 170 but I don't think that's the way it's going to go.
That said, at 164/165 I feel pretty good about safety schools and my middle-of-the-road target ones, but for any stretch schools I would probably need to be at least 167. So with that information, do y'all think I should wait on submitting any of my applications? Maybe I should submit now for safety/target, and wait until score comes back before submitting for stretch schools? Basically, I don't want to waste application money (or unnecessary rejection) if my score comes in at 164 and a school's 25th or median is 167. Just for context, my GPA is 3.85 so I should be ok on that side. Really going to hinge on the LSAT performance. Thoughts?
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@nicolassaw861 said:
Thanks @twssmith644 for the notification.
Hello 7Sage. It's been a while.
I am happy to answer any questions you might have about UCI Law.
Some general rambling thoughts:
The graduate student housing is pretty darn good. It's at most a 10 minute walk to the law school.
If you have a family, I'm not sure you really can beat UCI. The Irvine School District is one of the best.
If you're on the young side and looking to party a lot, Newport Beach and Laguna Beach are the next towns over. But this is law school, so good luck with that.
The faculty is top notch and getting better all the time. Of course, you probably know that we lost our most famous faculty member to Berkeley. Just what that means, no one knows for sure, but, in all honesty, I'll be shocked if our ranking does not go down because of it.
There is an unquestionable "nice" vibe to UCI that many law schools lack. The school bends over backwards to make a student feel like they want you to succeed. However, come exam time, UCI has a curve just like every other law school.
The school has really tried hard to up its public interest cred. Some say they did this because their biglaw numbers never peaked above 40%. Some say it was in the school's DNA from the start. Nevertheless, if you want to go into PI, you'll be hard pressed to find a place better suited. I took Constitutional Law this past semester with a man who's argued 4 times in front of the Supreme Court. His cause is trying to make education a fundamental right. If that quixotic endeavor sounds like something you'd like to spend your life doing, UCI might be the place for you.
UCI has historically been surprisingly good at prestigious clerkship appointments. Again, this is now uncertain since Dean Chemerinsky has left.
Employment numbers could be better, but they could be worse. Here are the numbers. http://www.law.uci.edu/careers/students/employment-info/statistics/employment-summary-2016.html You can judge for yourself. Bottom line: If you want to work in Southern California (especially OC, which is my main goal), a job is yours to lose. If you want something outside of SoCal, you're going to have to put in the work.
Let me know if you have any specific questions. I'm in the middle of finals, so I can't promise I'll check this every day. I'll do my best.
Thank you so much for writing this in the middle of finals!!
@nicolassaw861 said:
@tutordavidlevine115 said:
@tutordavidlevine115 said:
@nicolassaw861 said:
Below is an email from UC Berkeley's admissions office that explicitly says to apply as soon as possible DESPITE having a pending score and that doing so will improve your odds of gaining acceptance because they will experience a high volume of applications in January.
So it seems the ultimate advice on the matter is this: ask the school. If they hold the application, then apply ASAP and not doing so will hurt your chances. If they don't hold your application (like UT, for example), obviously wait until the later score posts to apply.
"Mr. nicolas.saw,
Thank you for your interest in Berkeley Law. If a candidate is registered for future LSAT and/or the future score is pending, it is our policy to not complete a file until LSAC reports the score. At that time, we will complete the file and notify you electronically that it is complete and under review.
Additionally, we strongly encourage all candidates to submit an application as early as possible even if there is no reported LSAT score. Because the volume of applications increases greatly in January and the December score will not post until then, the order in which we review is based on the submission date. Applications submitted earlier in the cycle will be reviewed first (e.g., files submitted with today's date) and will receive a notification sooner rather than receive a later response.
If you have any additional questions, feel free to contact our office by email or at (510) 642-2274.
Sincerely,"
Thank you for this. Would you mind telling me if your September score is above or closer to their median? I scored poorly on the September LSAT, so I don't want to risk my chances.
Sorry I saw that it say "even if there is no reported LSAT score," so I guess the December test was your first take. If so, applying ASAP makes sense.
Actually I did take in September. And my score was well below their median (159).
However, even if you have a terrible score on your file and are waiting on a December score, they still ask you to submit your application early and they will not consider it complete:
From email: "If a candidate is registered for future LSAT and/or the future score is pending, it is our policy to not complete a file until LSAC reports the score."
I have received similar advice from my admissions consultant.
If you're applying to UCB, I would encourage you to apply as early as you can as they are a school that holds applications and "the order in which [they] review is based on the submission date".
Thank you, @nicolassaw861 ! I'll talk to David about this.
Thanks @twssmith644 for the notification.
Hello 7Sage. It's been a while.
I am happy to answer any questions you might have about UCI Law.
Some general rambling thoughts:
The graduate student housing is pretty darn good. It's at most a 10 minute walk to the law school.
If you have a family, I'm not sure you really can beat UCI. The Irvine School District is one of the best.
If you're on the young side and looking to party a lot, Newport Beach and Laguna Beach are the next towns over. But this is law school, so good luck with that.
The faculty is top notch and getting better all the time. Of course, you probably know that we lost our most famous faculty member to Berkeley. Just what that means, no one knows for sure, but, in all honesty, I'll be shocked if our ranking does not go down because of it.
There is an unquestionable "nice" vibe to UCI that many law schools lack. The school bends over backwards to make a student feel like they want you to succeed. However, come exam time, UCI has a curve just like every other law school.
The school has really tried hard to up its public interest cred. Some say they did this because their biglaw numbers never peaked above 40%. Some say it was in the school's DNA from the start. Nevertheless, if you want to go into PI, you'll be hard pressed to find a place better suited. I took Constitutional Law this past semester with a man who's argued 4 times in front of the Supreme Court. His cause is trying to make education a fundamental right. If that quixotic endeavor sounds like something you'd like to spend your life doing, UCI might be the place for you.
UCI has historically been surprisingly good at prestigious clerkship appointments. Again, this is now uncertain since Dean Chemerinsky has left.
Employment numbers could be better, but they could be worse. Here are the numbers. http://www.law.uci.edu/careers/students/employment-info/statistics/employment-summary-2016.html You can judge for yourself. Bottom line: If you want to work in Southern California (especially OC, which is my main goal), a job is yours to lose. If you want something outside of SoCal, you're going to have to put in the work.
Let me know if you have any specific questions. I'm in the middle of finals, so I can't promise I'll check this every day. I'll do my best.
@tutordavidlevine115 said:
@tutordavidlevine115 said:
@nicolassaw861 said:
Below is an email from UC Berkeley's admissions office that explicitly says to apply as soon as possible DESPITE having a pending score and that doing so will improve your odds of gaining acceptance because they will experience a high volume of applications in January.
So it seems the ultimate advice on the matter is this: ask the school. If they hold the application, then apply ASAP and not doing so will hurt your chances. If they don't hold your application (like UT, for example), obviously wait until the later score posts to apply.
"Mr. nicolas.saw,
Thank you for your interest in Berkeley Law. If a candidate is registered for future LSAT and/or the future score is pending, it is our policy to not complete a file until LSAC reports the score. At that time, we will complete the file and notify you electronically that it is complete and under review.
Additionally, we strongly encourage all candidates to submit an application as early as possible even if there is no reported LSAT score. Because the volume of applications increases greatly in January and the December score will not post until then, the order in which we review is based on the submission date. Applications submitted earlier in the cycle will be reviewed first (e.g., files submitted with today's date) and will receive a notification sooner rather than receive a later response.
If you have any additional questions, feel free to contact our office by email or at (510) 642-2274.
Sincerely,"
Thank you for this. Would you mind telling me if your September score is above or closer to their median? I scored poorly on the September LSAT, so I don't want to risk my chances.
Sorry I saw that it say "even if there is no reported LSAT score," so I guess the December test was your first take. If so, applying ASAP makes sense.
Actually I did take in September. And my score was well below their median (159).
However, even if you have a terrible score on your file and are waiting on a December score, they still ask you to submit your application early and they will not consider it complete:
From email: "If a candidate is registered for future LSAT and/or the future score is pending, it is our policy to not complete a file until LSAC reports the score."
I have received similar advice from my admissions consultant.
If you're applying to UCB, I would encourage you to apply as early as you can as they are a school that holds applications and "the order in which [they] review is based on the submission date".
Yeah, @tutordavidlevine115 a few comments up someone mentioned @tutordavidlevine115’s advice from a recent admissions webinar that you should go ahead and apply to safety/target schools now if you think you are safe at least for admission and wait to send for any stretch schools until you know your score. I think the same should apply if you already have a September score too. If you think you might risk rejection based on September score, wait until December scores are out or closer to it. But if you’re safe either way, go ahead and submit now.
@tutordavidlevine115 said:
@nicolassaw861 said:
Below is an email from UC Berkeley's admissions office that explicitly says to apply as soon as possible DESPITE having a pending score and that doing so will improve your odds of gaining acceptance because they will experience a high volume of applications in January.
So it seems the ultimate advice on the matter is this: ask the school. If they hold the application, then apply ASAP and not doing so will hurt your chances. If they don't hold your application (like UT, for example), obviously wait until the later score posts to apply.
"Mr. nicolas.saw,
Thank you for your interest in Berkeley Law. If a candidate is registered for future LSAT and/or the future score is pending, it is our policy to not complete a file until LSAC reports the score. At that time, we will complete the file and notify you electronically that it is complete and under review.
Additionally, we strongly encourage all candidates to submit an application as early as possible even if there is no reported LSAT score. Because the volume of applications increases greatly in January and the December score will not post until then, the order in which we review is based on the submission date. Applications submitted earlier in the cycle will be reviewed first (e.g., files submitted with today's date) and will receive a notification sooner rather than receive a later response.
If you have any additional questions, feel free to contact our office by email or at (510) 642-2274.
Sincerely,"
Thank you for this. Would you mind telling me if your September score is above or closer to their median? I scored poorly on the September LSAT, so I don't want to risk my chances.
Sorry I saw that it say "even if there is no reported LSAT score," so I guess the December test was your first take. If so, applying ASAP makes sense.
@nicolassaw861 said:
Below is an email from UC Berkeley's admissions office that explicitly says to apply as soon as possible DESPITE having a pending score and that doing so will improve your odds of gaining acceptance because they will experience a high volume of applications in January.
So it seems the ultimate advice on the matter is this: ask the school. If they hold the application, then apply ASAP and not doing so will hurt your chances. If they don't hold your application (like UT, for example), obviously wait until the later score posts to apply.
"Mr. nicolas.saw,
Thank you for your interest in Berkeley Law. If a candidate is registered for future LSAT and/or the future score is pending, it is our policy to not complete a file until LSAC reports the score. At that time, we will complete the file and notify you electronically that it is complete and under review.
Additionally, we strongly encourage all candidates to submit an application as early as possible even if there is no reported LSAT score. Because the volume of applications increases greatly in January and the December score will not post until then, the order in which we review is based on the submission date. Applications submitted earlier in the cycle will be reviewed first (e.g., files submitted with today's date) and will receive a notification sooner rather than receive a later response.
If you have any additional questions, feel free to contact our office by email or at (510) 642-2274.
Sincerely,"
Thank you for this. Would you mind telling me if your September score is above or closer to their median? I scored poorly on the September LSAT, so I don't want to risk my chances.
(RE: UCI - Not sure how often Dave @nicolassaw861 actor checks the site anymore - but would highly recommend at least reaching out to him to ask about his 1L experience at UCI :)
Below is an email from UC Berkeley's admissions office that explicitly says to apply as soon as possible DESPITE having a pending score and that doing so will improve your odds of gaining acceptance because they will experience a high volume of applications in January.
So it seems the ultimate advice on the matter is this: ask the school. If they hold the application, then apply ASAP and not doing so will hurt your chances. If they don't hold your application (like UT, for example), obviously wait until the later score posts to apply.
"Mr. nicolas.saw,
Thank you for your interest in Berkeley Law. If a candidate is registered for future LSAT and/or the future score is pending, it is our policy to not complete a file until LSAC reports the score. At that time, we will complete the file and notify you electronically that it is complete and under review.
Additionally, we strongly encourage all candidates to submit an application as early as possible even if there is no reported LSAT score. Because the volume of applications increases greatly in January and the December score will not post until then, the order in which we review is based on the submission date. Applications submitted earlier in the cycle will be reviewed first (e.g., files submitted with today's date) and will receive a notification sooner rather than receive a later response.
If you have any additional questions, feel free to contact our office by email or at (510) 642-2274.
Sincerely,"
I personally am waiting on everything. You only get one shot to make a first impression and you don't want them to put your file to the side only to have to come back to it later.
@twssmith644 said:
Im sending apps this month for schools that will allow my app to be reviewed with my previous score. It seems its standard policy for schools to hold off reviewing your apps until after December scores post.
This is not true across the board!
I've contacted admissions at most of the t14, although most will automatically wait to review apps with a pending score, some will review it as soon as it is technically complete ie reportable score, lors and ps etc.
Usually these schools allow you to add an addendum asking them to wait for your later score, but you should verify with each school before submitting!
To your original question, I agree with @tylerdschreur10199 And David the wise. Apply asap to safeties and target schools, including the aforementioned addenda as necessary, some schools (UofM for sure) will examine your application now and make a final decision once your score posts. But I would wait on reach schools to avoid a possible rejection or wasted time/effort/$ on potentially unrealistic applications.
@tylerdschreur10199 said:
Hey Leah,
Someone just asked this at David's admissions webinar and his advice was basically what you put in your second option on the survey -- apply to safety and target schools and hold off on applying to reach schools until you know your score. Even if you are planning on taking the Feb test, they may dismiss you early with your December score. He even considered the benefits of applying before Christmas break and still said this.
So, I'm going against the grain with what most people have told you here on account of that guy proooooooobably knows what he's talking about!
Oh, that's so helpful! Thanks for letting me know! I keep waffling on this and that was my natural inclination. Thanks for the heads up!
@tylerdschreur10199 said:
Hey Leah,
Someone just asked this at David's admissions webinar and his advice was basically what you put in your second option on the survey -- apply to safety and target schools and hold off on applying to reach schools until you know your score. Even if you are planning on taking the Feb test, they may dismiss you early with your December score. He even considered the benefits of applying before Christmas break and still said this.
So, I'm going against the grain with what most people have told you here on account of that guy proooooooobably knows what he's talking about!
I just emailed David about this after reading comments on this post. Thanks for letting me know!!
Hey Leah,
Someone just asked this at David's admissions webinar and his advice was basically what you put in your second option on the survey -- apply to safety and target schools and hold off on applying to reach schools until you know your score. Even if you are planning on taking the Feb test, they may dismiss you early with your December score. He even considered the benefits of applying before Christmas break and still said this.
So, I'm going against the grain with what most people have told you here on account of that guy proooooooobably knows what he's talking about!
@lucianarteaga36 said:
@leahbeuk911 Davis gets crapped on a lot, but it’s not terrible. The campus location sucks though lol. It’s in the middle of no where, surrounded by farms and fields. I exaggerate only a little. San Francisco is about an hour and a half away, and Sacramento is close as well. Plus Tahoe and a lot of other places are a short drive away!
As for the school itself I’ve heard both good and bad things. I would push Davis below Irvine and USC though.
Yeah, I've driven through that area. The drive from Oregon to SoCal is not glamorous, haha. Very familiar with that middle-of-nowhere farm land haha. I guess on the good side, cost of living is maybe lower? I mean, definitely lower than in SoCal at least haha.
I think UCLA would probably be my #1 out of west coast schools, but doubting I'll get enough scholarship to make it possible. USC seems like they give out more aid, so that could work. Wasn't totally sure about how UCI and UCD compare with each other, but was leaning more toward UCI. Good to confirm that!
@leahbeuk911 said:
@nicolassaw861 said:
@oberdysz231 said:
One thing I've noticed reading multiple forums is that once a school rejects you, they do not want to reopen your application if you take let's say February. Despite the score. Just based on this, I will apply only when I know my score.
Interesting. If you score at or above their median on a later take and you look about as good or better in other regards than the rest of the other applicants in their pool, I can't imagine why they wouldn't accept you if they had spaces left. Did these forums cite statistics showing that appealed applicants of equal scores/qualities compared to first-round applicants were less likely to be accepted? These stats would also have to control for the fact that appealed applicants are reviewed later in the admissions cycle, which could be a confounding factor. Universities would be missing out on some rock-star candidates if they glossed over a student that appealed for a really compelling reason.
@leahbeuk911 said:
@lucianarteaga36 said:
@nicolassaw861 said:
@leahbeuk911 said:
Thanks for your thoughts, everyone!
@nicolassaw861 Yeah! I'm also looking at a few of those. I'm planning on applying to UCD and UCI, probably also UCLA and USC. UCLA obviously more of a stretch and score will factor a lot there. Fingers crossed.
Thanks guys!
Oh my god, if we end up going to school together that would be SO FUN. I'm going for public interest/criminal defense. :)
Guys! I'm applying to UCD, UCI, UCLA and USC also :D I plan on putting UCI first if I don't get a better score in Jan!!
Also @lucianarteaga36, what's your take on UCI? It strikes me as a solid school but I know it's the new kid on the block. You really dig it? I live up in Washington so haven't been able to do visits or anything really yet.
You didn't ask me, but I'm going to butt in and offer my two cents. :blush: I went go on a tour of UCI this past summer. I think there's a huge benefit to being in the UC system, since you get access to a ton of pooled resources and talented teachers/researchers. As far as I can tell, the UCs tend to culturally cross-pollinate a lot (I know their Center on Law, Equality and Race collabs with a lot of Critical Race Theorists at USC and UCB for panels and stuff--something that I'm really into). UCI is also just a giant university overall that has a ton of resources that it typically uses for its undergraduate masses. While it's pretty new, it's got a LOT of institutional support in the university at large and the UC system.
Also UCI is imho a way prettier campus compared to USC or UCLA. :)
Interesting! Thanks for the info! I was in LA for a bit a couple months ago and I didn't do official visits but did just walk around USC and UCLA to get a vibe while I was in town. I used to live in West LA so I'm pretty familiar with the area, and both schools are about what I expected. I really enjoyed the vibe of the UCLA campus, but I may be biased because I used to work close over there too and it just feels like my old hood, ya know? USC is... USC. Haha. Great school but the location in town is obviously not ideal.
That said, I'm not originally from CA and didn't go to a UC so I'm not all that familiar with how they operate. So, that's really helpful to hear all that! It seems like UCI is making big strides for being new. They have really good stats. Seems like they're only ranked where they are because they are so new. Might actually be a bargain to go now if they continue to rise in the rankings.
What do you think about UCD? My knowledge of it is that it doesn't have as great a reputation, but still seems like a solid regional school. And of course as someone also interested in PI, I don't need the draw of biglaw recruitment. There's a decent amount of upside though. Yeah?
I've also had a chance to visit UCD! And while it is in the middle of nowhere (used to be an agricultural school), it is actually very high on my list (probably on the top of all of my mid-range schools). Why? Because it has a really strong social justice thrust and culture, which is the field I'm going into. They have a ton of really great clinics ("Aoki Social Justice Clinic" and "Prison Law Clinic") and a social justice concentration that are tailored to the kind of work I hope to do in prison reform/community organizing. I didn't get a chance to see the campus a whole lot.
Maybe it's in the middle of nowhere. But hey, they have a rock climbing gym like five minutes from campus, so I think I'll be fine. :) (I've also got some family in NorCal) They're apparently ranked the "#1 bike friendly school" in the country. Take that for what you will.
If I had to choose between a full-ride or close to full-ride at UCD or going into UCLA or USC with little aid, I would be very strongly tempted by the former.
@leahbeuk911 Davis gets crapped on a lot, but it’s not terrible. The campus location sucks though lol. It’s in the middle of no where, surrounded by farms and fields. I exaggerate only a little. San Francisco is about an hour and a half away, and Sacramento is close as well. Plus Tahoe and a lot of other places are a short drive away!
As for the school itself I’ve heard both good and bad things. I would push Davis below Irvine and USC though.
@nicolassaw861 said:
@oberdysz231 said:
One thing I've noticed reading multiple forums is that once a school rejects you, they do not want to reopen your application if you take let's say February. Despite the score. Just based on this, I will apply only when I know my score.
Interesting. If you score at or above their median on a later take and you look about as good or better in other regards than the rest of the other applicants in their pool, I can't imagine why they wouldn't accept you if they had spaces left. Did these forums cite statistics showing that appealed applicants of equal scores/qualities compared to first-round applicants were less likely to be accepted? These stats would also have to control for the fact that appealed applicants are reviewed later in the admissions cycle, which could be a confounding factor. Universities would be missing out on some rock-star candidates if they glossed over a student that appealed for a really compelling reason.
@leahbeuk911 said:
@lucianarteaga36 said:
@nicolassaw861 said:
@leahbeuk911 said:
Thanks for your thoughts, everyone!
@nicolassaw861 Yeah! I'm also looking at a few of those. I'm planning on applying to UCD and UCI, probably also UCLA and USC. UCLA obviously more of a stretch and score will factor a lot there. Fingers crossed.
Thanks guys!
Oh my god, if we end up going to school together that would be SO FUN. I'm going for public interest/criminal defense. :)
Guys! I'm applying to UCD, UCI, UCLA and USC also :D I plan on putting UCI first if I don't get a better score in Jan!!
Also @lucianarteaga36, what's your take on UCI? It strikes me as a solid school but I know it's the new kid on the block. You really dig it? I live up in Washington so haven't been able to do visits or anything really yet.
You didn't ask me, but I'm going to butt in and offer my two cents. :blush: I went go on a tour of UCI this past summer. I think there's a huge benefit to being in the UC system, since you get access to a ton of pooled resources and talented teachers/researchers. As far as I can tell, the UCs tend to culturally cross-pollinate a lot (I know their Center on Law, Equality and Race collabs with a lot of Critical Race Theorists at USC and UCB for panels and stuff--something that I'm really into). UCI is also just a giant university overall that has a ton of resources that it typically uses for its undergraduate masses. While it's pretty new, it's got a LOT of institutional support in the university at large and the UC system.
Also UCI is imho a way prettier campus compared to USC or UCLA. :)
What he said! Lol I’ll just add that for a new school they are ranked 28 by USNR. Which I mean...that’s pretty darn good. And regionally they have already made a footprint on the west. I met with an advisor at the LSAC forum and he asked me to do a tour! I live in NorCal so it’s hard to get down there, but depending on my score I might do it!
@nicolassaw861 said:
@oberdysz231 said:
One thing I've noticed reading multiple forums is that once a school rejects you, they do not want to reopen your application if you take let's say February. Despite the score. Just based on this, I will apply only when I know my score.
Interesting. If you score at or above their median on a later take and you look about as good or better in other regards than the rest of the other applicants in their pool, I can't imagine why they wouldn't accept you if they had spaces left. Did these forums cite statistics showing that appealed applicants of equal scores/qualities compared to first-round applicants were less likely to be accepted? These stats would also have to control for the fact that appealed applicants are reviewed later in the admissions cycle, which could be a confounding factor. Universities would be missing out on some rock-star candidates if they glossed over a student that appealed for a really compelling reason.
@leahbeuk911 said:
@lucianarteaga36 said:
@nicolassaw861 said:
@leahbeuk911 said:
Thanks for your thoughts, everyone!
@nicolassaw861 Yeah! I'm also looking at a few of those. I'm planning on applying to UCD and UCI, probably also UCLA and USC. UCLA obviously more of a stretch and score will factor a lot there. Fingers crossed.
Thanks guys!
Oh my god, if we end up going to school together that would be SO FUN. I'm going for public interest/criminal defense. :)
Guys! I'm applying to UCD, UCI, UCLA and USC also :D I plan on putting UCI first if I don't get a better score in Jan!!
Also @lucianarteaga36, what's your take on UCI? It strikes me as a solid school but I know it's the new kid on the block. You really dig it? I live up in Washington so haven't been able to do visits or anything really yet.
You didn't ask me, but I'm going to butt in and offer my two cents. :blush: I went go on a tour of UCI this past summer. I think there's a huge benefit to being in the UC system, since you get access to a ton of pooled resources and talented teachers/researchers. As far as I can tell, the UCs tend to culturally cross-pollinate a lot (I know their Center on Law, Equality and Race collabs with a lot of Critical Race Theorists at USC and UCB for panels and stuff--something that I'm really into). UCI is also just a giant university overall that has a ton of resources that it typically uses for its undergraduate masses. While it's pretty new, it's got a LOT of institutional support in the university at large and the UC system.
Also UCI is imho a way prettier campus compared to USC or UCLA. :)
Interesting! Thanks for the info! I was in LA for a bit a couple months ago and I didn't do official visits but did just walk around USC and UCLA to get a vibe while I was in town. I used to live in West LA so I'm pretty familiar with the area, and both schools are about what I expected. I really enjoyed the vibe of the UCLA campus, but I may be biased because I used to work close over there too and it just feels like my old hood, ya know? USC is... USC. Haha. Great school but the location in town is obviously not ideal.
That said, I'm not originally from CA and didn't go to a UC so I'm not all that familiar with how they operate. So, that's really helpful to hear all that! It seems like UCI is making big strides for being new. They have really good stats. Seems like they're only ranked where they are because they are so new. Might actually be a bargain to go now if they continue to rise in the rankings.
What do you think about UCD? My knowledge of it is that it doesn't have as great a reputation, but still seems like a solid regional school. And of course as someone also interested in PI, I don't need the draw of biglaw recruitment. There's a decent amount of upside though. Yeah?
@oberdysz231 said:
One thing I've noticed reading multiple forums is that once a school rejects you, they do not want to reopen your application if you take let's say February. Despite the score. Just based on this, I will apply only when I know my score.
Interesting. If you score at or above their median on a later take and you look about as good or better in other regards than the rest of the other applicants in their pool, I can't imagine why they wouldn't accept you if they had spaces left. Did these forums cite statistics showing that appealed applicants of equal scores/qualities compared to first-round applicants were less likely to be accepted? These stats would also have to control for the fact that appealed applicants are reviewed later in the admissions cycle, which could be a confounding factor. Universities would be missing out on some rock-star candidates if they glossed over a student that appealed for a really compelling reason.
@leahbeuk911 said:
@lucianarteaga36 said:
@nicolassaw861 said:
@leahbeuk911 said:
Thanks for your thoughts, everyone!
@nicolassaw861 Yeah! I'm also looking at a few of those. I'm planning on applying to UCD and UCI, probably also UCLA and USC. UCLA obviously more of a stretch and score will factor a lot there. Fingers crossed.
Thanks guys!
Oh my god, if we end up going to school together that would be SO FUN. I'm going for public interest/criminal defense. :)
Guys! I'm applying to UCD, UCI, UCLA and USC also :D I plan on putting UCI first if I don't get a better score in Jan!!
Also @lucianarteaga36, what's your take on UCI? It strikes me as a solid school but I know it's the new kid on the block. You really dig it? I live up in Washington so haven't been able to do visits or anything really yet.
You didn't ask me, but I'm going to butt in and offer my two cents. :blush: I went go on a tour of UCI this past summer. I think there's a huge benefit to being in the UC system, since you get access to a ton of pooled resources and talented teachers/researchers. As far as I can tell, the UCs tend to culturally cross-pollinate a lot (I know their Center on Law, Equality and Race collabs with a lot of Critical Race Theorists at USC and UCB for panels and stuff--something that I'm really into). UCI is also just a giant university overall that has a ton of resources that it typically uses for its undergraduate masses. While it's pretty new, it's got a LOT of institutional support in the university at large and the UC system.
Also UCI is imho a way prettier campus compared to USC or UCLA. :)
@lucianarteaga36 said:
@nicolassaw861 said:
@leahbeuk911 said:
Thanks for your thoughts, everyone!
@nicolassaw861 Yeah! I'm also looking at a few of those. I'm planning on applying to UCD and UCI, probably also UCLA and USC. UCLA obviously more of a stretch and score will factor a lot there. Fingers crossed.
Thanks guys!
Oh my god, if we end up going to school together that would be SO FUN. I'm going for public interest/criminal defense. :)
Guys! I'm applying to UCD, UCI, UCLA and USC also :D I plan on putting UCI first if I don't get a better score in Jan!!
Also @lucianarteaga36, what's your take on UCI? It strikes me as a solid school but I know it's the new kid on the block. You really dig it? I live up in Washington so haven't been able to do visits or anything really yet.
@lucianarteaga36 said:
@nicolassaw861 said:
@leahbeuk911 said:
Thanks for your thoughts, everyone!
@nicolassaw861 Yeah! I'm also looking at a few of those. I'm planning on applying to UCD and UCI, probably also UCLA and USC. UCLA obviously more of a stretch and score will factor a lot there. Fingers crossed.
Thanks guys!
Oh my god, if we end up going to school together that would be SO FUN. I'm going for public interest/criminal defense. :)
Guys! I'm applying to UCD, UCI, UCLA and USC also :D I plan on putting UCI first if I don't get a better score in Jan!!
UC 7SAGE PARTY
And @nicolassaw861 I'm looking at PI/government. :-D
One thing I've noticed reading multiple forums is that once a school rejects you, they do not want to reopen your application if you take let's say February. Despite the score. Just based on this, I will apply only when I know my score.
@nicolassaw861 said:
@leahbeuk911 said:
Thanks for your thoughts, everyone!
@nicolassaw861 Yeah! I'm also looking at a few of those. I'm planning on applying to UCD and UCI, probably also UCLA and USC. UCLA obviously more of a stretch and score will factor a lot there. Fingers crossed.
Thanks guys!
Oh my god, if we end up going to school together that would be SO FUN. I'm going for public interest/criminal defense. :)
Guys! I'm applying to UCD, UCI, UCLA and USC also :D I plan on putting UCI first if I don't get a better score in Jan!!
@leahbeuk911 said:
Thanks for your thoughts, everyone!
@nicolassaw861 Yeah! I'm also looking at a few of those. I'm planning on applying to UCD and UCI, probably also UCLA and USC. UCLA obviously more of a stretch and score will factor a lot there. Fingers crossed.
Thanks guys!
Oh my god, if we end up going to school together that would be SO FUN. I'm going for public interest/criminal defense. :)