I thought that we did a lesson on taking controposative and the lesson saying that negating is not the same as opposite? Wouldnt not uncomfortable just be /uncomfortable instead of comfortable. I feel like there are several other options then comfortable.
@ConnorSantino I'd just treat "un" like "not." There might be a few concepts where this doesn't really apply, but nothing is coming to me off the top of my head.
As a practical matter, even if I think something isn't 100% airtight as a matter of logic, the next question is, well, what else am I going to pick? Other answers are based on clear misinterpretations of statements or the relationship between them. The one answer I'm considering looks good except for this one question of whether "not comfortable" implies "uncomfortable." That's an easy decision for me.
@GabriCox I try to map it out as I read. It's not automatic yet but I am seeing progress when I try to map it out immediately. Whenever I try to map it out after reading stim and possible answers I start losing it. I've gotten the best results when I start to map it out from the very beginning as I read thru the stim. Eventually, it will become intuitive and automatic.
@CarlosHernandez03 Nice! I like to read at least half-way into the stimulus before determining whether diagramming seems helpful. I basically assess whether the problem is clearly about conditional/quantifier connections and how complicated the set of statements looks. Also, I'll be on notice that not every statement needs to be diagrammed -- so even if I think something involves diagram-type statements, that doesn't mean I need to try to diagram every single statement.
You're absolutely right that as you get more experience it becomes much more intuitive. You'll often know at a glance based on the question type and first few lines whether it's a diagrammy type of problem or not.
omg I did this question a while ago (like last year) and remember getting it wrong and never understanding it. I'm so happy I got this right with 2 seconds to spare lol
This makes sense definitely was on track with everything... I just confused myself when i did contrapositve. It was initially (/comfortable--->/well designed) trying to understand why i did contrapositive like this: (comfortable ---> well designed) instead of (well designed ---> comfortable). Can some re-explain negation vs contrapositive?
I may be wrong but I remember an early lesson stating not to assume that the contrapositive of comfortable is uncomfortable and vice versa... that is what steered me away from the correct answer choice. I got it right in the blind review after eliminating c as a potential answer.
@iriswu84153 YES! I literally did not understand it until the video before this in the study plan, and that helped soooo much! Feeling so happy right now!
Look it took me + 5:53 minutes, but I understand it and got it right. I will care about timing once I start drilling lol. As long as you understand how to get to the right answer, timing will come eventually.
I am still lost on answer choice C, I got the question right in the blind review, but I am still lost about the logic behind C and what makes it wrong, any advice?
I just thought it made far too broad a statement with no back up.
We are told most well-designed public places feature art work. AND all coffee houses are public places.
But this can't tell us that most well-designed coffee houses are anything.
Maybe (cause I don't know if I would go here without seeing an answer choice with it), the most it could say is SOME coffee houses that are well designed feature artwork. This is still a stretch, I think.
But if you remember the buckets. Try and think:
Scoop up coffee houses (lets say 100 out of 110) and put in Well designed.
BUT, what if well designed had 1,000,000 public places. And now, only 100 coffee houses are in that bucket. Let's say, for simplicity, the rest are restaurants.
Now, if you take a scoop (let's say 600,000) of well-designed, the probability of getting EVEN ONE coffee house almost nothing compared to restaurants. You COULD get one, but we are trying to find MUST be true, not could be true.
This is a breakdown of it, but really, in the end, it made a specific statement that was a bit extreme for the information provided. Hopefully this info is helpful. If not, my b.
@HelainaLaCoste I struck it out for 2 reasons. 1) I did not believe the Stimulus was mainly about "artwork" so i eliminated all answers about artwork. Because it was more focused on "well designed" 2) D was stronger and matched up "Any" "All" and to me it was also inclusive of elements of well designed (art) and comfort (space).
I rushed into mapping it out just to fall into the trap of C. I am glad I took advantage of the Blind review to see that spacious interiors was not the criteria for a public place being comfortable; it was the rule of if the PP was comfortable. Oh well, onto the next one!
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took me 7 minutes but this is my first level 5 difficulty question that I've gotten correct!
This one is easy but I really need to write down the logic for MBT questions, I have a hard time just imagining it
why was this one easier than the last one lol
Got it right with 21s to spare. Phew!
I am once again noticing a correlation between the number of comments and the difficulty of the question.
slowly the math is mathing
mapped it out perfectly, but was horridly over time lol
got it wrong then right in BR bc I mapped it out perfectly
I thought that we did a lesson on taking controposative and the lesson saying that negating is not the same as opposite? Wouldnt not uncomfortable just be /uncomfortable instead of comfortable. I feel like there are several other options then comfortable.
@ConnorSantino I'd just treat "un" like "not." There might be a few concepts where this doesn't really apply, but nothing is coming to me off the top of my head.
As a practical matter, even if I think something isn't 100% airtight as a matter of logic, the next question is, well, what else am I going to pick? Other answers are based on clear misinterpretations of statements or the relationship between them. The one answer I'm considering looks good except for this one question of whether "not comfortable" implies "uncomfortable." That's an easy decision for me.
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I got it right in 4:09 seconds (+1:42 on timing)!
How are you supposed to do these quickly in your head without mapping them out??
@GabriCox I try to map it out as I read. It's not automatic yet but I am seeing progress when I try to map it out immediately. Whenever I try to map it out after reading stim and possible answers I start losing it. I've gotten the best results when I start to map it out from the very beginning as I read thru the stim. Eventually, it will become intuitive and automatic.
we got this!!
@CarlosHernandez03 Nice! I like to read at least half-way into the stimulus before determining whether diagramming seems helpful. I basically assess whether the problem is clearly about conditional/quantifier connections and how complicated the set of statements looks. Also, I'll be on notice that not every statement needs to be diagrammed -- so even if I think something involves diagram-type statements, that doesn't mean I need to try to diagram every single statement.
You're absolutely right that as you get more experience it becomes much more intuitive. You'll often know at a glance based on the question type and first few lines whether it's a diagrammy type of problem or not.
The only five star that i got right, took me 12 minutes, but i finally got it right, kick up to the domain finna kicked in
omg I did this question a while ago (like last year) and remember getting it wrong and never understanding it. I'm so happy I got this right with 2 seconds to spare lol
I got this right because I didn't make the correct connection of featuring artwork lol. A win is a win???
This makes sense definitely was on track with everything... I just confused myself when i did contrapositve. It was initially (/comfortable--->/well designed) trying to understand why i did contrapositive like this: (comfortable ---> well designed) instead of (well designed ---> comfortable). Can some re-explain negation vs contrapositive?
I may be wrong but I remember an early lesson stating not to assume that the contrapositive of comfortable is uncomfortable and vice versa... that is what steered me away from the correct answer choice. I got it right in the blind review after eliminating c as a potential answer.
"Kicking it up to the domain" finally clicked for me here
@iriswu84153 YES! I literally did not understand it until the video before this in the study plan, and that helped soooo much! Feeling so happy right now!
5 star buggin
Look it took me + 5:53 minutes, but I understand it and got it right. I will care about timing once I start drilling lol. As long as you understand how to get to the right answer, timing will come eventually.
got it right with time to spare...I prayed for times like this.
I am still lost on answer choice C, I got the question right in the blind review, but I am still lost about the logic behind C and what makes it wrong, any advice?
@HelainaLaCoste
I just thought it made far too broad a statement with no back up.
We are told most well-designed public places feature art work. AND all coffee houses are public places.
But this can't tell us that most well-designed coffee houses are anything.
Maybe (cause I don't know if I would go here without seeing an answer choice with it), the most it could say is SOME coffee houses that are well designed feature artwork. This is still a stretch, I think.
But if you remember the buckets. Try and think:
Scoop up coffee houses (lets say 100 out of 110) and put in Well designed.
BUT, what if well designed had 1,000,000 public places. And now, only 100 coffee houses are in that bucket. Let's say, for simplicity, the rest are restaurants.
Now, if you take a scoop (let's say 600,000) of well-designed, the probability of getting EVEN ONE coffee house almost nothing compared to restaurants. You COULD get one, but we are trying to find MUST be true, not could be true.
This is a breakdown of it, but really, in the end, it made a specific statement that was a bit extreme for the information provided. Hopefully this info is helpful. If not, my b.
@HelainaLaCoste I struck it out for 2 reasons. 1) I did not believe the Stimulus was mainly about "artwork" so i eliminated all answers about artwork. Because it was more focused on "well designed" 2) D was stronger and matched up "Any" "All" and to me it was also inclusive of elements of well designed (art) and comfort (space).
Huge dubs
I rushed into mapping it out just to fall into the trap of C. I am glad I took advantage of the Blind review to see that spacious interiors was not the criteria for a public place being comfortable; it was the rule of if the PP was comfortable. Oh well, onto the next one!
If you chose C, like me and can't understand why it's wrong: It's an All before Most Trap.
I GOT IT RIGHT!!