Writing this out helped me come to terms that C is completely wrong (I changed it to D during blind review but still didn't eliminate C), I hope this helps someone else too!
C is incorrect because it says "most coffeehouses that are well-designed". The stimulus mentions "most well-designed public places" -- coffeehouses would be a subset of that if they were well-designed. We don't know if this applies to coffeehouses as well:
coffeehouse -> public place -m-> feature artwork
It would have been different if the -m-> was like this:
coffeehouse -m-> public place -> feature artwork
REMEMBER:
A -m-> B -> C means A -> C
HOWEVER, this relationship gets lost and does not apply when A -> B -m-> C. This is what we saw in wrong answer C.
wait why are we assuming its wither comfortable or uncomfortable, why cant there be a middle ground. because it does not explicitly say all that aren't uncomfortable are comfortable
27 seconds over but got it right first try! i've been scared to diagram with pen and paper but it's led me to right answers, i will focus on timing later on when i am more confident.
I thought that we did a lesson on taking controposative and the lesson saying that negating is not the same as opposite? Wouldnt not uncomfortable just be /uncomfortable instead of comfortable. I feel like there are several other options then comfortable.
@ConnorSantino I'd just treat "un" like "not." There might be a few concepts where this doesn't really apply, but nothing is coming to me off the top of my head.
As a practical matter, even if I think something isn't 100% airtight as a matter of logic, the next question is, well, what else am I going to pick? Other answers are based on clear misinterpretations of statements or the relationship between them. The one answer I'm considering looks good except for this one question of whether "not comfortable" implies "uncomfortable." That's an easy decision for me.
@GabriCox I try to map it out as I read. It's not automatic yet but I am seeing progress when I try to map it out immediately. Whenever I try to map it out after reading stim and possible answers I start losing it. I've gotten the best results when I start to map it out from the very beginning as I read thru the stim. Eventually, it will become intuitive and automatic.
@CarlosHernandez03 Nice! I like to read at least half-way into the stimulus before determining whether diagramming seems helpful. I basically assess whether the problem is clearly about conditional/quantifier connections and how complicated the set of statements looks. Also, I'll be on notice that not every statement needs to be diagrammed -- so even if I think something involves diagram-type statements, that doesn't mean I need to try to diagram every single statement.
You're absolutely right that as you get more experience it becomes much more intuitive. You'll often know at a glance based on the question type and first few lines whether it's a diagrammy type of problem or not.
omg I did this question a while ago (like last year) and remember getting it wrong and never understanding it. I'm so happy I got this right with 2 seconds to spare lol
This makes sense definitely was on track with everything... I just confused myself when i did contrapositve. It was initially (/comfortable--->/well designed) trying to understand why i did contrapositive like this: (comfortable ---> well designed) instead of (well designed ---> comfortable). Can some re-explain negation vs contrapositive?
I may be wrong but I remember an early lesson stating not to assume that the contrapositive of comfortable is uncomfortable and vice versa... that is what steered me away from the correct answer choice. I got it right in the blind review after eliminating c as a potential answer.
@iriswu84153 YES! I literally did not understand it until the video before this in the study plan, and that helped soooo much! Feeling so happy right now!
Look it took me + 5:53 minutes, but I understand it and got it right. I will care about timing once I start drilling lol. As long as you understand how to get to the right answer, timing will come eventually.
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Writing this out helped me come to terms that C is completely wrong (I changed it to D during blind review but still didn't eliminate C), I hope this helps someone else too!
C is incorrect because it says "most coffeehouses that are well-designed". The stimulus mentions "most well-designed public places" -- coffeehouses would be a subset of that if they were well-designed. We don't know if this applies to coffeehouses as well:
coffeehouse -> public place -m-> feature artwork
It would have been different if the -m-> was like this:
coffeehouse -m-> public place -> feature artwork
REMEMBER:
A -m-> B -> C means A -> C
HOWEVER, this relationship gets lost and does not apply when A -> B -m-> C. This is what we saw in wrong answer C.
wait why are we assuming its wither comfortable or uncomfortable, why cant there be a middle ground. because it does not explicitly say all that aren't uncomfortable are comfortable
How would answer C fair in a Most Strongly Supported question?
this one was so rewarding to get correct
@coconut I screamed silently in my office
27 seconds over but got it right first try! i've been scared to diagram with pen and paper but it's led me to right answers, i will focus on timing later on when i am more confident.
@amytorres Same! proud of us
got it right on my blind review. i had to map everything out. I went over about 52 secs.
took me 7 minutes but this is my first level 5 difficulty question that I've gotten correct!
This one is easy but I really need to write down the logic for MBT questions, I have a hard time just imagining it
why was this one easier than the last one lol
Got it right with 21s to spare. Phew!
I am once again noticing a correlation between the number of comments and the difficulty of the question.
slowly the math is mathing
mapped it out perfectly, but was horridly over time lol
got it wrong then right in BR bc I mapped it out perfectly
I thought that we did a lesson on taking controposative and the lesson saying that negating is not the same as opposite? Wouldnt not uncomfortable just be /uncomfortable instead of comfortable. I feel like there are several other options then comfortable.
@ConnorSantino I'd just treat "un" like "not." There might be a few concepts where this doesn't really apply, but nothing is coming to me off the top of my head.
As a practical matter, even if I think something isn't 100% airtight as a matter of logic, the next question is, well, what else am I going to pick? Other answers are based on clear misinterpretations of statements or the relationship between them. The one answer I'm considering looks good except for this one question of whether "not comfortable" implies "uncomfortable." That's an easy decision for me.
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I got it right in 4:09 seconds (+1:42 on timing)!
How are you supposed to do these quickly in your head without mapping them out??
@GabriCox I try to map it out as I read. It's not automatic yet but I am seeing progress when I try to map it out immediately. Whenever I try to map it out after reading stim and possible answers I start losing it. I've gotten the best results when I start to map it out from the very beginning as I read thru the stim. Eventually, it will become intuitive and automatic.
we got this!!
@CarlosHernandez03 Nice! I like to read at least half-way into the stimulus before determining whether diagramming seems helpful. I basically assess whether the problem is clearly about conditional/quantifier connections and how complicated the set of statements looks. Also, I'll be on notice that not every statement needs to be diagrammed -- so even if I think something involves diagram-type statements, that doesn't mean I need to try to diagram every single statement.
You're absolutely right that as you get more experience it becomes much more intuitive. You'll often know at a glance based on the question type and first few lines whether it's a diagrammy type of problem or not.
The only five star that i got right, took me 12 minutes, but i finally got it right, kick up to the domain finna kicked in
omg I did this question a while ago (like last year) and remember getting it wrong and never understanding it. I'm so happy I got this right with 2 seconds to spare lol
I got this right because I didn't make the correct connection of featuring artwork lol. A win is a win???
This makes sense definitely was on track with everything... I just confused myself when i did contrapositve. It was initially (/comfortable--->/well designed) trying to understand why i did contrapositive like this: (comfortable ---> well designed) instead of (well designed ---> comfortable). Can some re-explain negation vs contrapositive?
I may be wrong but I remember an early lesson stating not to assume that the contrapositive of comfortable is uncomfortable and vice versa... that is what steered me away from the correct answer choice. I got it right in the blind review after eliminating c as a potential answer.
"Kicking it up to the domain" finally clicked for me here
@iriswu84153 YES! I literally did not understand it until the video before this in the study plan, and that helped soooo much! Feeling so happy right now!
5 star buggin
Look it took me + 5:53 minutes, but I understand it and got it right. I will care about timing once I start drilling lol. As long as you understand how to get to the right answer, timing will come eventually.