This is the sketchiest question I've viewed to date. the word "guaranteed" apparently doesn't have to mean "guaranteed." I thought we should assume that the stimulus is true. Doesn't that mean guarantee means guarantee????
@npf87 My thoughts exactly. If something is guaranteed – shouldn't it be...guaranteed? But I think its because the guarantee is on the claim — not the outcome.
I mistakenly identified plants that are guaranteed to be disease-free as plants that are disease-free. Companies can guarantee that their food is disease-free, but still have their food carrying diseases, just like how I can promise to work hard today, but still end up scrolling reels.
Eliminated till the last choice and got super confused why this question has to do with guarantees.
Found this one kinda dumb. So if they sell ONLY plants guaranteed to be disease-free then the guarantee can still be moot? What's the point of a guarantee then? I see why the other choices are less supported though.
@bsabir This applies in real life too. Just because some company "guarantees" something, that doesn't entirely eliminate a faulty outlier here and there. If that happens IRL, just go and exchange, no big deal. Perfection can never be 100% guaranteed.
YESSSSS!! 1:15 over but got it right. I used process of elimination, getting rid of answer choices I immediately doubted and couldn’t support with the information in the stimulus.
I don't know about the video explanation for why C is wrong. C doesn't claim that all large nurseries do business primarily with commercial growers. A large nursery can sell mostly to commercial growers and still sell to most of the non-commercial growers if there aren't that many non-commercial growers. C claims that most non-commercial growers buy from non-large nurseries. The issue is that you can't take a contrapositive of a most claim. If these were non-intersecting sets, C would be correct.
So because there was no additional modifier added after "and" we must use the modifier "most" from the beginning of the sentence. So the sentence essentially said "most large nurseries sell plants and most large nurseries guarantee"not "most large nurseries sell plans and guarantee"
@rjon27 Ping made an error in his model here. It doesn't harm the answer choices, because his model is entailed by the correct model, but it is weaker. Most modifies the subject, large nurseries, and so the text is making a claim about a specific most subset of large nurseries. In that subset, most sell primarily to commercial growers and guarantee their plants. These are the same nurseries, not some separate > 50% subsets.
Stimulus: Most large nurseries sell raspberry plants primarily to commercial raspberry growers and sell only plants that are guaranteed to be disease-free.
then for Answer choice B, if in another world, we have gotten the relationship Ln -> disease free can we make it contraspositive: /diseasefree -> /Ln, which makes Wally the Ln?
Johnson is probably not a commercial raspberry grower if the shipment of raspberry plants that Johnson received from Wally's Plants was not entirely as it was guaranteed to be.
/guaranteed -> ?
This leads to nothing.
LN -m-> Comm and Guarantee (nothing after guarantee).
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ive gotten all the 5 difficulty right so far this is a miracle
@yam omg same I'm impressed and feeling good with myself. Congrats!
GODDAM these are hard af.
3 max difficult questions in a row is diabolical. BUT, I will survive. One foot in front of the other.
I think it's easier to understand why the other choices are incorrect if you make the logic chain. The main chain says: LN -m- CG and DFG
A: It just doesn't make sense, because we know that large nurseries have the guarantee but we have no idea about small or medium ones.
B: /DFG → /C. We know by now that "most" chains are not reversible and even if it was, this doesn't follow the original chain whatsoever
C: /C → /LN. Again, "most" chains are not reversible.
D: Sells to C → /LN. The original chain says the exact opposite and "most" chains are not reversible
By POE we can tell it's E.
i just don't have the energy anymore
@JW2K you better keep going!
This is the sketchiest question I've viewed to date. the word "guaranteed" apparently doesn't have to mean "guaranteed." I thought we should assume that the stimulus is true. Doesn't that mean guarantee means guarantee????
@npf87 My thoughts exactly. If something is guaranteed – shouldn't it be...guaranteed? But I think its because the guarantee is on the claim — not the outcome.
@npf87 this is exactly what I have been thinking about... I don't understand
WAY OVER TIME BUT GOT IT RIGHT W/O BLIND REVIEW IM LEARNING!!!
Could we say LN --m--> primarily commercial AND guarantee? or does it need to be separate?
learning to take my time and understand before I dive into answering the question with the time constraint. slow and steady will win the race!!
I mistakenly identified plants that are guaranteed to be disease-free as plants that are disease-free. Companies can guarantee that their food is disease-free, but still have their food carrying diseases, just like how I can promise to work hard today, but still end up scrolling reels.
Eliminated till the last choice and got super confused why this question has to do with guarantees.
The passage take about most large nurseries probably (most likely) guarantee disease free plants. Doesnt most+most = some?
@arose it says "Most large nurseries... sell only plants that are guaranteed to be disease-free"
Most nurseries... and of these nurseries - they all only sell plants that are guaranteed
Over 1:20 but finalllyyyy got this down!! and its a hard level question :)
Found this one kinda dumb. So if they sell ONLY plants guaranteed to be disease-free then the guarantee can still be moot? What's the point of a guarantee then? I see why the other choices are less supported though.
@bsabir This applies in real life too. Just because some company "guarantees" something, that doesn't entirely eliminate a faulty outlier here and there. If that happens IRL, just go and exchange, no big deal. Perfection can never be 100% guaranteed.
YESSSSS!! 1:15 over but got it right. I used process of elimination, getting rid of answer choices I immediately doubted and couldn’t support with the information in the stimulus.
I don't know about the video explanation for why C is wrong. C doesn't claim that all large nurseries do business primarily with commercial growers. A large nursery can sell mostly to commercial growers and still sell to most of the non-commercial growers if there aren't that many non-commercial growers. C claims that most non-commercial growers buy from non-large nurseries. The issue is that you can't take a contrapositive of a most claim. If these were non-intersecting sets, C would be correct.
Getting them right but takes me 3+ minutes
@fernieromo a win is a win. I'm in the same boat but im hoping it'll get better with more practice
I have been struggling with MSS questions but got this one right!!
Really tough question but I got it right. The LSAT writers are very crafty!
So because there was no additional modifier added after "and" we must use the modifier "most" from the beginning of the sentence. So the sentence essentially said "most large nurseries sell plants and most large nurseries guarantee" not "most large nurseries sell plans and guarantee"
Am I understanding this correctly?
@rjon27 Ping made an error in his model here. It doesn't harm the answer choices, because his model is entailed by the correct model, but it is weaker. Most modifies the subject, large nurseries, and so the text is making a claim about a specific most subset of large nurseries. In that subset, most sell primarily to commercial growers and guarantee their plants. These are the same nurseries, not some separate > 50% subsets.
I've been struggling with MSS question types and I got this one right!!
omg i got it right and did it under time...
I don't understand how E is the right answer because it doesn't specify that Johnson is a commercial raspberry grower.
@JoeSolana4 That doesn't matter
#help How do I know to combine the 'and' and not to combine??
LN -> Comm and Guarantee
Stimulus: Most large nurseries sell raspberry plants primarily to commercial raspberry growers and sell only plants that are guaranteed to be disease-free.
Therefore, LN -m-> Comm and Guaranteed.
@MnM Thank you!
@koje You're welcome! :)
then for Answer choice B, if in another world, we have gotten the relationship Ln -> disease free can we make it contraspositive: /diseasefree -> /Ln, which makes Wally the Ln?
@moonstar Answer B uses a conditional "if".
Johnson is probably not a commercial raspberry grower if the shipment of raspberry plants that Johnson received from Wally's Plants was not entirely as it was guaranteed to be.
/guaranteed -> ?
This leads to nothing.
LN -m-> Comm and Guarantee (nothing after guarantee).
No contrapositives for most.
somehow i completely missed the "most"! I think I rush through these but I need to remember to go slowwww for now