I wish it gave us the option to change the color of our text when doing the quiz! Personally, I enjoy seeing my answer and the correct answer match up, and if not, I would be able to see where I went wrong. #feedback
these are lowkey easy if you just try to fit the words "if" and "then" into the front of the sentences you think are conclusions and premises like for three it would be "IF some of these studies...THEN not all operational..." and thats what helped me
4/5. The first one got me. The first step is VERY important. If you find yourself asking why the author does get to the point, it's most likely because there is NO conclusion. Good Luck!
It feels like on question one "The teeth of some mammals show “growth rings”" could be the conclusion. Using just identifying method 1 (what does the author want me to believe) it feels like the author wants me to believe "The teeth of some mammals show “growth rings”". With the pigs in the trash pit revealing the bands as the premise.
I suppose using the other indicator methods you can eliminate this one as having an argument.
I had the same issue. I genuinely thought the first sentence was the conclusion and the second sentence was the premise because it gives an example of a mammal (pig). I still don't understand why exactly it isn't an argument, maybe because the contents of the second sentence?
The context of the second sentence would not allow the first claim to be true. The first claim is a generalized statement about SOME mammals. The second claim goes goes into oddly specific detail about Stone Age pigs. Now ask yourself how many species of mammals exist. There's several, right? The second claim would've offered support had it included some other types of mammals. Or, if it had made the historical connection that the same "growth rings" found in the Stone Age pigs' teeth are present in some mammals today, then that would allow the first claim to ALSO be true. The way its written now, those two claims are just two random facts that offer no logical support to each other to articulate an argument.
So is question 1 an argument, or is it just an unsupported weak argument? I understand that the premises don't work together but they could inevitably work together for some third statement that could lead to a conclusion. Overall, just confused if the example alone is an argument or not.
@torijallen I'm leaning towards not an argument given that there is no conclusion. To me it seemed like two premises put together that lead nowhere. I've been strictly sticking to if no premise + conclusion, then no argument lol.
4/5 I thought #2 was two sets of facts like #1 even though "consequently" made me want to label it as a conclusion. I thought 7Sage wanted to trick me 😂
I got 3/5 on this one. for 1, I didn't realize that you can have NO argument (missed that part of the instructions), and 4, since I didn't know that a conclusion could begin mid-sentence as in this case with a comma.
For #1, does the statement about cross sections of pigs teeth having bands not support the first sentence of the teeth of some mammals showing growth rings?
Premise -> Cross sections of pigs' teeth found in an excavated Stone Age trash pit revealed bands of remarkably constant width except that the band deposited last, which was invariably translucent, was only about half the normal width.
Conclusion -> The teeth of some mammals show “growth rings” that result from the constant depositing of layers of cementum as opaque bands in summer and translucent bands in winter.
The argument requires some assumptions being that "The bands of constant width found on the pigs result from constant depositing of layers" However, since pigs are mammals, the truth of the premise does make the conclusion more likely
Just because there is a relationship between two statements doesn't mean there is an argument. I think you could take a classic argument to see this more simply.
Socrates is a man
all men are mortal.
If there is no conclusion it's not an argument. There is no persuasion. I think you could easily infer a conclusion or make an argument from the information in the statements of this question, but it just ends abruptly and does not try to persuade the reader.
Ya what's missing here is the "so socrates is mortal" or in our example "so we know the pig died halfway through winter". There isn't an actual relationship between the two statement aside from them being about similar concepts (they don't redefine or explain each other).
Good lord I'm surprised I keep getting 5/5s. My brain was kinda fried when I did Q2 and I had to re-read it like 6 times even after taking a short breather. Any folks have tips on how to eliminate brain fog/regain focus to get back to studying?
I could break apart the second one but I was getting overwhelmed by the finance talk. I knew consequently meant there pointing to conclusions but that conclusion didn't make any sense to me so I started second guessing myself.
While I know conclusions will not always follow the premise in the structure of a paragraph. I couldn't help but recognize that pattern in these 5 examples, making me not think as hard for the questions 4 and 5. Any advice to stay away from my intuition and learn to read what is in front of me?
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I wish it gave us the option to change the color of our text when doing the quiz! Personally, I enjoy seeing my answer and the correct answer match up, and if not, I would be able to see where I went wrong. #feedback
Was thinking the same thing.
5/5 but for question 2, i was so focused on what the hell it was trying to say
these are lowkey easy if you just try to fit the words "if" and "then" into the front of the sentences you think are conclusions and premises like for three it would be "IF some of these studies...THEN not all operational..." and thats what helped me
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@VictoriaStewart same 5/5!!
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4/5! Not too shabby. The first one was definitely super confusing
4/5. The first one got me. The first step is VERY important. If you find yourself asking why the author does get to the point, it's most likely because there is NO conclusion. Good Luck!
color coding is helpful! good addition thanks
The first one was diabolical!
I feel like question 2 isn't really trying to convince me of anything
4/5
It feels like on question one "The teeth of some mammals show “growth rings”" could be the conclusion. Using just identifying method 1 (what does the author want me to believe) it feels like the author wants me to believe "The teeth of some mammals show “growth rings”". With the pigs in the trash pit revealing the bands as the premise.
I suppose using the other indicator methods you can eliminate this one as having an argument.
I had the same issue. I genuinely thought the first sentence was the conclusion and the second sentence was the premise because it gives an example of a mammal (pig). I still don't understand why exactly it isn't an argument, maybe because the contents of the second sentence?
The context of the second sentence would not allow the first claim to be true. The first claim is a generalized statement about SOME mammals. The second claim goes goes into oddly specific detail about Stone Age pigs. Now ask yourself how many species of mammals exist. There's several, right? The second claim would've offered support had it included some other types of mammals. Or, if it had made the historical connection that the same "growth rings" found in the Stone Age pigs' teeth are present in some mammals today, then that would allow the first claim to ALSO be true. The way its written now, those two claims are just two random facts that offer no logical support to each other to articulate an argument.
5/5! I'm feeling good!
So is question 1 an argument, or is it just an unsupported weak argument? I understand that the premises don't work together but they could inevitably work together for some third statement that could lead to a conclusion. Overall, just confused if the example alone is an argument or not.
@torijallen I'm leaning towards not an argument given that there is no conclusion. To me it seemed like two premises put together that lead nowhere. I've been strictly sticking to if no premise + conclusion, then no argument lol.
4/5 I thought #2 was two sets of facts like #1 even though "consequently" made me want to label it as a conclusion. I thought 7Sage wanted to trick me 😂
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I got 3/5 on this one. for 1, I didn't realize that you can have NO argument (missed that part of the instructions), and 4, since I didn't know that a conclusion could begin mid-sentence as in this case with a comma.
For #1, does the statement about cross sections of pigs teeth having bands not support the first sentence of the teeth of some mammals showing growth rings?
@ncalabretta was wondering that too
Wouldn't the first question be an argument?
Premise -> Cross sections of pigs' teeth found in an excavated Stone Age trash pit revealed bands of remarkably constant width except that the band deposited last, which was invariably translucent, was only about half the normal width.
Conclusion -> The teeth of some mammals show “growth rings” that result from the constant depositing of layers of cementum as opaque bands in summer and translucent bands in winter.
The argument requires some assumptions being that "The bands of constant width found on the pigs result from constant depositing of layers" However, since pigs are mammals, the truth of the premise does make the conclusion more likely
Also in the same boat as you
Just because there is a relationship between two statements doesn't mean there is an argument. I think you could take a classic argument to see this more simply.
Socrates is a man
all men are mortal.
If there is no conclusion it's not an argument. There is no persuasion. I think you could easily infer a conclusion or make an argument from the information in the statements of this question, but it just ends abruptly and does not try to persuade the reader.
Ya what's missing here is the "so socrates is mortal" or in our example "so we know the pig died halfway through winter". There isn't an actual relationship between the two statement aside from them being about similar concepts (they don't redefine or explain each other).
i got 4/5 right, the first one threw me off. I keep on jumping ahead to analysis and we're not there yet.
4/5!!! It's a good start!
5/5… September LSAT look out I’m coming!
4/5 because i thought that all of the Qs would have a conclusion to pick out, so I got Q1 wrong lol
@ShinyLoser Same 😂
Good lord I'm surprised I keep getting 5/5s. My brain was kinda fried when I did Q2 and I had to re-read it like 6 times even after taking a short breather. Any folks have tips on how to eliminate brain fog/regain focus to get back to studying?
Saying to yourself “ does that support this” Really helps if im not absolutely sure on premise/ conclusion
I could break apart the second one but I was getting overwhelmed by the finance talk. I knew consequently meant there pointing to conclusions but that conclusion didn't make any sense to me so I started second guessing myself.
@Tombee64 same
While I know conclusions will not always follow the premise in the structure of a paragraph. I couldn't help but recognize that pattern in these 5 examples, making me not think as hard for the questions 4 and 5. Any advice to stay away from my intuition and learn to read what is in front of me?