@NikiLakestani I think we need to get to the point where science-y prompts (or anything else that might turn us off) aren't the point. Rather, it's the patterns in the questions that we want to identify. The details are just widgets to fill out the form of the question. Don't sweat the science, cuz it ain't about the science. It's about the relationships between assertions.
Anyone else try to read a question or sentence like that and just not process anything it says? I feel like I often have to re-read questions multiple times because it just doesn't click
@NathanielWright glad to know I am not the only one. English is my third language so learning the legal jargon is like learning a new language all over again.
@NathanielWright SAME!!! English is my second language and it is making me question my whole identity. It feels like I am fully stranger to this language
I understand that LSAT aims to be tricky but its exhausting that needlessly complex sentences get the reputation of academic and intelligent. It's, in fact, simply bad writing. If your writing and by extension your point becomes too difficult to understand--you've done something wrong.
Too many articles, papers, essays, and studies fall into that trap.
When you're all lawyers in the future, buy a copy of Morson's English Guide for Court Reporters. If you folllow it, you'll run less of a chance that the clerks and judge will talk bad about your motions filings behind your back (speaking from experience).
Not only is grammar underrated but it is absolutely necessary to master for a high score on the test. The grammar lessons is what I am most excited for in the new curriculum because I know how crucial grammar is on the LSAT.
I swear this is super important. I was looking at some LSAT questions before I started my prep and some of them I'd read and my brain would go like nope. I'd have to slowly go over it and dissect the sentence so my mind can digest the information it offers, which wastes a lot of time!! Knowing that the LSAT puts test takers under a strict time limit, saving the extra seconds or even minutes that understanding some sentences takes can be helpful.
Excited for this section - I noticed that as soon as I see a 3+ line sentence, my brain automatically jumps to the next one as if to say, "you won't understand it so don't even try"... lol
Grammar really is such a bitch. I think I took Joan Didion's quote 'Grammar is a piano I play by ear' a little too literally, awareness points courtesy of LSAT
I did a PT and reading some of the passages made me question if I even had a brain LOL!
It's exhausting but it makes sense. I can't remember which show I was watching but the lawyer said something about not having to prove their client was innocent, just that their client wasn't GUILTY. I thought it was interesting bc that obviously opens open the door to morality BUT it made me realize that what you SAY matters and there will be people that string a bunch of words together to throw you off your game.
It's like the person that says a whole lot of nothing but because they use a lot of big words or buzz words, everyone in the room goes whoaaaaaa that's so profound but then you sit back and break down what they said and you're like ?? that literally makes no sense or they said something super elementary lol.
THIS reminds me of that. Not that the passages AREN'T saying things that make sense BUT you need to be able to know what's important versus what's fluff.
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Complex grammar isn't my issue. In fact, I find the example quite easy to understand...but that's because it's an interesting topic to me.
My problem arises when a passage or argument is covering a topic I have no interest in.
I have ADHD and have the exact same issue.
I thought I was the only one reading some of these as "science, science, science... trash bin, trash bin.... squirrel.. stats..."
couldn't agree more. Science takes me out of the question entirely. I want to combat that.
@mustafaenver118 YES that's my problem. Science passages do this to me
@NikiLakestani I think we need to get to the point where science-y prompts (or anything else that might turn us off) aren't the point. Rather, it's the patterns in the questions that we want to identify. The details are just widgets to fill out the form of the question. Don't sweat the science, cuz it ain't about the science. It's about the relationships between assertions.
@mattrettig Well said
@garetc88463 same , how did you get over it ?
Anyone else try to read a question or sentence like that and just not process anything it says? I feel like I often have to re-read questions multiple times because it just doesn't click
@NathanielWright Yes. I'm like wait... surely I did not read what I just read.
@NathanielWright glad to know I am not the only one. English is my third language so learning the legal jargon is like learning a new language all over again.
@NathanielWright Same
@NathanielWright SAME!!! English is my second language and it is making me question my whole identity. It feels like I am fully stranger to this language
So glad we're covering this because I definitely thought I was illiterate for a second.
I understand that LSAT aims to be tricky but its exhausting that needlessly complex sentences get the reputation of academic and intelligent. It's, in fact, simply bad writing. If your writing and by extension your point becomes too difficult to understand--you've done something wrong.
Too many articles, papers, essays, and studies fall into that trap.
@maald4c Why do they do that? If I were an author of an article I would want to make it as easy to read as possible. 🤔
When you're all lawyers in the future, buy a copy of Morson's English Guide for Court Reporters. If you folllow it, you'll run less of a chance that the clerks and judge will talk bad about your motions filings behind your back (speaking from experience).
Lmao, those clerks and reporters be sometimes giving side eyes left and right.
@dlkraiss880 My brother in Christ, it's around $300.
Grammar is indeed a bitch. It's comforting to see my instructor talking so casually.
New module guys let's go
Not only is grammar underrated but it is absolutely necessary to master for a high score on the test. The grammar lessons is what I am most excited for in the new curriculum because I know how crucial grammar is on the LSAT.
I have had many whooshes while studying for the LSAT. Probably too many.
I just started an- WHOOSH
As someone whose first language is not English, I am sure I will appreciate this chapter!!
im locked in guys
@MaricieloLaviola Right? Not on my Minecraft server
Bestie we are locked in once I saw the “grammar is a B” LOL
@Adri Hahahah!! man that sentence was fucking crazy
I swear this is super important. I was looking at some LSAT questions before I started my prep and some of them I'd read and my brain would go like nope. I'd have to slowly go over it and dissect the sentence so my mind can digest the information it offers, which wastes a lot of time!! Knowing that the LSAT puts test takers under a strict time limit, saving the extra seconds or even minutes that understanding some sentences takes can be helpful.
my main issue is understand what the answer choices are saying rather than the passage itself.
This module will be useful!
I hate grammar
“How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood”. Nope wrong, try again
yes.
Excited for this section - I noticed that as soon as I see a 3+ line sentence, my brain automatically jumps to the next one as if to say, "you won't understand it so don't even try"... lol
Well said. This part of the curriculum is one of the main reasons I chose this course.
Grammar really is such a bitch. I think I took Joan Didion's quote 'Grammar is a piano I play by ear' a little too literally, awareness points courtesy of LSAT
"I've read a few books in my day." - Useless comment by a hopeless future law student.
LOCKED
I did a PT and reading some of the passages made me question if I even had a brain LOL!
It's exhausting but it makes sense. I can't remember which show I was watching but the lawyer said something about not having to prove their client was innocent, just that their client wasn't GUILTY. I thought it was interesting bc that obviously opens open the door to morality BUT it made me realize that what you SAY matters and there will be people that string a bunch of words together to throw you off your game.
It's like the person that says a whole lot of nothing but because they use a lot of big words or buzz words, everyone in the room goes whoaaaaaa that's so profound but then you sit back and break down what they said and you're like ?? that literally makes no sense or they said something super elementary lol.
THIS reminds me of that. Not that the passages AREN'T saying things that make sense BUT you need to be able to know what's important versus what's fluff.
@HiGigi the show was suits
This explains some of my frustrations and "whooshes" on the LR section. I'm excited to get better at tackling complicated sentences with confidence.