im starting to understand why we're learning this. It helps us take out the fluff from all the language on an lsat question so we can focus on the information we actually need to focus on.
Kind of a silly request, but it would be great to have a short quiz with these type of lessons (skippable to to those who don't need it) just to solidify what we've learned. I haven't been in school in over 10 years and it would be helpful just to lock it all back into place in my brain.
@Dom80 I use that method too, I feel like it helps my speed when reading the over complicated sentences on the LSAT. But then you get those questions and answers that hinge on one word like "most" or "always" and I feel like that is where I really need to focus on the grammar
@LiviaLSAT no because using the word begrudgingly isn't in reference to the subject (cats) its a modifier of the way the cats are singing which is the predicate. If you to describe it as you mentioned saying its a modifier of the subject. Like "the cats are begrudgingly" it wouldn't make sense, begrudgingly what? When we say the fat cat, it properly is adding context to the subject. Just as begrudgingly is adding context to the way the cats are singing (verb/predicate).
@DouglasNeumeyer Thank you for explaining because I was wondering why it wasn’t just referred to as an adjective but adjectives are descriptions of the nouns while it seems a modifier describes the verb.
@AribaHassan It is good to know when doing certain questions. I have noticed grammar indicators in NA and flaw questions the most. The Adverb can make a big difference in choosing the correct flaw to the conclusion.
@Ares it doesn't entirely matter, BUT the belle epoque, which is also known as the beautiful era, was a period in french history which saw a rise in artistic & scientific movements. this was between the franco-prussian war and WWI. in this time period is when the eiffel tower was built!
(Intelligent [subject modifier] beings)[subject] (often mercilessly [predicate modifiers] destroy [verb] civilizations [object] that they deem to be a threat [object modifier])predicate
So would it be effective to, from the first glance, remove modifiers from an overly complex question on the LSAT in order to better grasp the "kernel" of the sentence?
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im starting to understand why we're learning this. It helps us take out the fluff from all the language on an lsat question so we can focus on the information we actually need to focus on.
Kind of a silly request, but it would be great to have a short quiz with these type of lessons (skippable to to those who don't need it) just to solidify what we've learned. I haven't been in school in over 10 years and it would be helpful just to lock it all back into place in my brain.
@EJay start looking at any posters or writing in your vicinity and break down the sentences. kind of lame but different way to put practice into play~
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@Lia24788 yes and no. I just equate modifiers to 'white noise' in a sentence. That's the best I can muster.
@Dom80 I use that method too, I feel like it helps my speed when reading the over complicated sentences on the LSAT. But then you get those questions and answers that hinge on one word like "most" or "always" and I feel like that is where I really need to focus on the grammar
Are nouns and objects the same thing?
could you not say that since the cats are singing begrudgingly, begrudgingly also modifies cats?
@LiviaLSAT no because using the word begrudgingly isn't in reference to the subject (cats) its a modifier of the way the cats are singing which is the predicate. If you to describe it as you mentioned saying its a modifier of the subject. Like "the cats are begrudgingly" it wouldn't make sense, begrudgingly what? When we say the fat cat, it properly is adding context to the subject. Just as begrudgingly is adding context to the way the cats are singing (verb/predicate).
@DouglasNeumeyer lit ty
@DouglasNeumeyer Thank you for explaining because I was wondering why it wasn’t just referred to as an adjective but adjectives are descriptions of the nouns while it seems a modifier describes the verb.
How important is it to discern these specific grammar rules in the actual LSAT? Is this just a good thing to know?
@AribaHassan It is good to know when doing certain questions. I have noticed grammar indicators in NA and flaw questions the most. The Adverb can make a big difference in choosing the correct flaw to the conclusion.
@Juhleeyuh25 thanks!
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Tough men gladly fight criminals.
Tough = adjective (modifying the subject) --> Men
Gladly = Adverb (modifying the verb) --> Fight
Criminals = Object. The Object (Criminals) is being acted on by the verb (fight). Fight --> Criminals.
Modifiers in the subject: adjective
Modifiers in the predicate: adverbs
Modifiers that can be in both: prepositional phrases
question- what's the difference between context and a modifier? would it technically be the same concept?
Whats the belle epoque?
@Ares it doesn't entirely matter, BUT the belle epoque, which is also known as the beautiful era, was a period in french history which saw a rise in artistic & scientific movements. this was between the franco-prussian war and WWI. in this time period is when the eiffel tower was built!
For me, I kind of think of the modifiers as adjectives
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@lsatstudent wow! that's really good work!
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@BreanaNunez Pretty much
Also, "belle" modifies "epoque." :)
As a former French teacher, I appreciate the example :-)
“Fat cats trained by parisian divas begrudgingly sing french lullabies from the belle epoque”
Subsets for the subject: fat and trained bt parisian divas
Subsets of the predicate: begrudgingly, french, from the belle epoque
Basically, the goal is to elucidate the "kernel" of complex sentences; thus, it's paramount to strip away modifiers from the stimulus.
(Intelligent [subject modifier] beings)[subject] (often mercilessly [predicate modifiers] destroy [verb] civilizations [object] that they deem to be a threat [object modifier])predicate
the cats singing lullabies example just makes me think of the tiktok sound of the cat meowing "what was i made for" by billie eilish
meow meow meow meow, meow meow meow meow, meoww
help we're applying to law school and now bonding over a sound on an app that is constantly under the threat of being banned
@ruth.olvera1027 Lol
Seems like modifiers are just any adverbs and adjectives?
these are some pretty fancy cats
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Is a modifier the same as an adjective?
I think, not all modifiers are adjectives; they can also be adverbs, like begrudgingly describing a verb rather than a noun.
So would it be effective to, from the first glance, remove modifiers from an overly complex question on the LSAT in order to better grasp the "kernel" of the sentence?
that's what I see as the reason to identify them. to get to the core of the senate so you can see how the argument works.