The appreciation for that last lesson is so much, just got this one right with 58 seconds to spare, hopefully i can keep it up but literally went from no idea what i was doing to it clicking so quickly.
One thing that really helped me with this question was highlighting the "mosts" in the stimulus, then highlighting the same mosts in the answers.
I was able to eliminate A, B, and C off the bat. That left me with D and E. E stuck out as the clear answer. I answered with 3 seconds to spare and didn't have to use any lawgic.
Crazy how effective the strategy from the previous lesson was here, got it right extremely quickly. Let's hope its like this for all parallel questions lol.
Ping's model makes the same error the argument does. It happens to get the correct answer, but accidentally. If there was an answer choice, (F), that said most cats are pets, most pet cats are friendly, so most cats are friendly, (E) would be a better answer. The hypothetical (F) answer only fails because of an undistributed middle term. The pet cat argument is C -m-> P -m-> F, therefore C -m-> F. It's not valid, but it's not the argument being made in the stimulus or in answer choice E. You cannot chain up these arguments OR remove the middle term B and make an inference about the relationship between A and C. In classical terms, it's not just that the the middle term is not distributed, it doesn't even connect the two premises. Not in the stimulus, and not in answer choice (E). In both the stimulus and answer choice (E), the premises do not claim B -m-> C. They claim a superset of B -m-> C. With this set of premises, one cannot even claim that most auto mechanics who have extensive experience understand electronic circuits (or that most snow removal companies that run lawn-care services during the summer hire additional workers in the summer). In both cases the middle term (extensive experience/lawn care services) does not connect the two premises. It's a type of equivocation in addition to a failed most chain (undistributed middle).
Even just doing shallow dipping for the conclusion and premises allowed me to remove three AC's. only had to graph one, which was not the match, so I automatically chose the remaining one, and it was correct.
(commenting before watching)n148 comments... not sure why because that feels more than average. maybe people are happy with getting these ideas. interested to see how the LSAT can play around with sufficiency and necessity concepts in these types of questions. can they if placement doesnt matter? in my blind review i ddove deep into D and E and not only does D provide cocnepts in the sufficient that are unlike the stimulus (auto mechanics are inherently mechanics, there exists a subset/superset relationship by the abstractness of language) but also D uses three differing concepts in the necessary.
E makes a little better on both of these by making companies the conceptual focus point and eliminating the differences in the quantity and variety of the necessary placements.
I have never heard of the shallow diving method before-- I freaking love it. I genuinely don't think I would have gotten this answer correct without it. I also answered it with 11 seconds to spare. So far... I am hopeful(ish)!
think the strat here is just find the answer that the pattern matches the stim. Like in this case it was most, most, most. E and D were both matching most, most, most, and E was better answer.
Remember, it says AUTO Mechanics. Then, in the next sentence, it just says most mechanics. Those mechanics can be referring to diesel mechanics, industrial mechanics, nautical mechanics, etc. Therefore, it cannot be a foregone conclusion that most auto mechanics understand electrical circuits. That's how I got this.
To simplify it, I also just counted how many times, the passage used the term "most", lol.
I can see why E is the right answer, but I'm still confused on why B is incorrect. I'm struggling to understand the premises. Is there another kind of analogy of the premises in B or another method that helped others to rule it out as incorrect?
@lindsayo What I did was turn the conclusion into a "some" claim, i.e. "Some birds remain in the winter," which is completely different from the conclusion we're gunning for once you do a deep dive into it. With the premises set up in choice B, we're looking for something like "most migratory birds have left this region by November," but instead they give us something about birds that stay during winter, which essentially is out of left field.
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The appreciation for that last lesson is so much, just got this one right with 58 seconds to spare, hopefully i can keep it up but literally went from no idea what i was doing to it clicking so quickly.
Getting this correct is making me jump for joy
One thing that really helped me with this question was highlighting the "mosts" in the stimulus, then highlighting the same mosts in the answers.
I was able to eliminate A, B, and C off the bat. That left me with D and E. E stuck out as the clear answer. I answered with 3 seconds to spare and didn't have to use any lawgic.
six seconds over time.
oh boy.
yayay got it right!
THE STRATEGY IS CRAZY EFFECTIVE!!! Just blew my mind and rewired my brain
Crazy how effective the strategy from the previous lesson was here, got it right extremely quickly. Let's hope its like this for all parallel questions lol.
did it under time and got it correct, shallow dip helped a lot wow
Ping's model makes the same error the argument does. It happens to get the correct answer, but accidentally. If there was an answer choice, (F), that said most cats are pets, most pet cats are friendly, so most cats are friendly, (E) would be a better answer. The hypothetical (F) answer only fails because of an undistributed middle term. The pet cat argument is C -m-> P -m-> F, therefore C -m-> F. It's not valid, but it's not the argument being made in the stimulus or in answer choice E. You cannot chain up these arguments OR remove the middle term B and make an inference about the relationship between A and C. In classical terms, it's not just that the the middle term is not distributed, it doesn't even connect the two premises. Not in the stimulus, and not in answer choice (E). In both the stimulus and answer choice (E), the premises do not claim B -m-> C. They claim a superset of B -m-> C. With this set of premises, one cannot even claim that most auto mechanics who have extensive experience understand electronic circuits (or that most snow removal companies that run lawn-care services during the summer hire additional workers in the summer). In both cases the middle term (extensive experience/lawn care services) does not connect the two premises. It's a type of equivocation in addition to a failed most chain (undistributed middle).
Even just doing shallow dipping for the conclusion and premises allowed me to remove three AC's. only had to graph one, which was not the match, so I automatically chose the remaining one, and it was correct.
@lsatjasg great strategy!
(commenting before watching)n148 comments... not sure why because that feels more than average. maybe people are happy with getting these ideas. interested to see how the LSAT can play around with sufficiency and necessity concepts in these types of questions. can they if placement doesnt matter? in my blind review i ddove deep into D and E and not only does D provide cocnepts in the sufficient that are unlike the stimulus (auto mechanics are inherently mechanics, there exists a subset/superset relationship by the abstractness of language) but also D uses three differing concepts in the necessary.
E makes a little better on both of these by making companies the conceptual focus point and eliminating the differences in the quantity and variety of the necessary placements.
I really can't believe I got this right. :')
Got it right with four seconds remaining let's go!!
I have never heard of the shallow diving method before-- I freaking love it. I genuinely don't think I would have gotten this answer correct without it. I also answered it with 11 seconds to spare. So far... I am hopeful(ish)!
got it right but 4 mins over, a win is a win, & my brain is fried lollll
+1 min over but got it right... not too bad.
23 seconds to spare, because of shallow diving. Yea buddy
Genuinely shocked I got this correct, on time too, chat there might be hope for me after all
think the strat here is just find the answer that the pattern matches the stim. Like in this case it was most, most, most. E and D were both matching most, most, most, and E was better answer.
@jbucholz yeah thats what I did
@LayalBazzi4 yeah I got it -57s this way.
Once you read D as having two separate sets of photographers, E is the obvious pick.
Remember, it says AUTO Mechanics. Then, in the next sentence, it just says most mechanics. Those mechanics can be referring to diesel mechanics, industrial mechanics, nautical mechanics, etc. Therefore, it cannot be a foregone conclusion that most auto mechanics understand electrical circuits. That's how I got this.
To simplify it, I also just counted how many times, the passage used the term "most", lol.
i got it right somehow
Got it right and under time. Literally just made sure it used the word "most" at all the right moments lol.
@EthanMessal Same
I can see why E is the right answer, but I'm still confused on why B is incorrect. I'm struggling to understand the premises. Is there another kind of analogy of the premises in B or another method that helped others to rule it out as incorrect?
@lindsayo What I did was turn the conclusion into a "some" claim, i.e. "Some birds remain in the winter," which is completely different from the conclusion we're gunning for once you do a deep dive into it. With the premises set up in choice B, we're looking for something like "most migratory birds have left this region by November," but instead they give us something about birds that stay during winter, which essentially is out of left field.
I didn't see E at first and was sitting there like none of these many any sense to the passage LOL then noticed E like there we go