Messed up on the Actual but got it on the BR. Questions heavy in logic like these guys are my sore spot, but the breakdown in the last video really helped drill to me on how to use Lawgic and Diagramming better. DONT BE DISCOURAGED!! If you get it wrong for the first time like me use it as an opportunity to see a sore spot to practice!!
For B, IF the premises correctly chained up and said "Most birds are migratory and most migratory birds leave by end of Nov", would the conclusion of "few birds remain during winter" be synonymous to "most birds leave by winter" and therefore be analogous to "most auto mechanics understand electronic circuits"? Would there be an issue with "leave by end of Nov" and "remain during winter" and/or would there be an issue of few vs. some? because my understanding is that saying most DO this and some do NOT do this are analogous.
helped so much to check the mosts in the AC's against the stim and also seeing that auto mechanics and most mechanics were not the same but very similar such like E as opposed to the photographers who had a completely different type of photographers that could not be similar in each has its own uniqueness. Also most migratory birds talked about the same birds twice unlike the stim.
The appreciation for that last lesson is so much, just got this one right with 58 seconds to spare, hopefully i can keep it up but literally went from no idea what i was doing to it clicking so quickly.
One thing that really helped me with this question was highlighting the "mosts" in the stimulus, then highlighting the same mosts in the answers.
I was able to eliminate A, B, and C off the bat. That left me with D and E. E stuck out as the clear answer. I answered with 3 seconds to spare and didn't have to use any lawgic.
Crazy how effective the strategy from the previous lesson was here, got it right extremely quickly. Let's hope its like this for all parallel questions lol.
EDIT: No, I got this wrong. Ping's reduction works. The convention of chaining through a term shift to a superset is what we often mean with, e.g., A -m-> B -m-> C, or even A -> B -m-> C or A -m-> B -> C. I tried to force it by suggesting that 'extensive experience' is a relative term, but that doesn't apply to answer E, so is not credited as the meaning of the stimulus by LSAT writers. Prior note: Ping's model makes the same error the argument does. It happens to get the correct answer, but accidentally. If there was an answer choice, (F), that said most cats are pets, most pet cats are friendly, so most cats are friendly, (E) would be a better answer. The hypothetical (F) answer only fails because of an undistributed middle term. The pet cat argument is C -m-> P -m-> F, therefore C -m-> F. It's not valid, but it's not the argument being made in the stimulus or in answer choice E. You cannot chain up these arguments OR remove the middle term B and make an inference about the relationship between A and C. In classical terms, it's not just that the the middle term is not distributed, it doesn't even connect the two premises. Not in the stimulus, and not in answer choice (E). In both the stimulus and answer choice (E), the premises do not claim B -m-> C. They claim a superset of B -m-> C. With this set of premises, one cannot even claim that most auto mechanics who have extensive experience understand electronic circuits (or that most snow removal companies that run lawn-care services during the summer hire additional workers in the summer). In both cases the middle term (extensive experience/lawn care services) does not connect the two premises. It's a type of equivocation in addition to a failed most chain (undistributed middle).
I was wondering about this! It seems so clear that in the stimulus, auto mechanics w/ EE are NOT the same--and therefore cannot chain up--as mechanics w extensive experience. A bit confused about that.
@SerayaTalbott-Carey coming back to this, I think Ping is correct, and I was importing a requirement that is not necessary, and not part of the chaining requirement. Usually when we chain A -> B -> C, B can be conceptualized as a superset of the B that are A, so it is reasonable for A -m-> B -m-> C to operate in the same way.
Even just doing shallow dipping for the conclusion and premises allowed me to remove three AC's. only had to graph one, which was not the match, so I automatically chose the remaining one, and it was correct.
(commenting before watching)n148 comments... not sure why because that feels more than average. maybe people are happy with getting these ideas. interested to see how the LSAT can play around with sufficiency and necessity concepts in these types of questions. can they if placement doesnt matter? in my blind review i ddove deep into D and E and not only does D provide cocnepts in the sufficient that are unlike the stimulus (auto mechanics are inherently mechanics, there exists a subset/superset relationship by the abstractness of language) but also D uses three differing concepts in the necessary.
E makes a little better on both of these by making companies the conceptual focus point and eliminating the differences in the quantity and variety of the necessary placements.
I have never heard of the shallow diving method before-- I freaking love it. I genuinely don't think I would have gotten this answer correct without it. I also answered it with 11 seconds to spare. So far... I am hopeful(ish)!
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Messed up on the Actual but got it on the BR. Questions heavy in logic like these guys are my sore spot, but the breakdown in the last video really helped drill to me on how to use Lawgic and Diagramming better. DONT BE DISCOURAGED!! If you get it wrong for the first time like me use it as an opportunity to see a sore spot to practice!!
Yeah holy cow this lesson slaps. Was certainly not dominating 4-5 stars like this a couple lessons ago lol
the video prior made this segment 1000% easier with just eliminating
is this a safe place to say i didn't even register that auto mechanics and mechanics are two different concepts
Is FEW synonymous to SOME?
For B, IF the premises correctly chained up and said "Most birds are migratory and most migratory birds leave by end of Nov", would the conclusion of "few birds remain during winter" be synonymous to "most birds leave by winter" and therefore be analogous to "most auto mechanics understand electronic circuits"? Would there be an issue with "leave by end of Nov" and "remain during winter" and/or would there be an issue of few vs. some? because my understanding is that saying most DO this and some do NOT do this are analogous.
Most A are B, Most B are C, Therefore most A are C = Flawed argument. Look for arguments with Most, Most, Most > Then apply flawed argument.
@brandenesrawi YESSIRRRR
wait this strategy from the lesson helped immensely. still over time but not by Much
helped so much to check the mosts in the AC's against the stim and also seeing that auto mechanics and most mechanics were not the same but very similar such like E as opposed to the photographers who had a completely different type of photographers that could not be similar in each has its own uniqueness. Also most migratory birds talked about the same birds twice unlike the stim.
Wow. Thank you Lord
The appreciation for that last lesson is so much, just got this one right with 58 seconds to spare, hopefully i can keep it up but literally went from no idea what i was doing to it clicking so quickly.
Getting this correct is making me jump for joy
One thing that really helped me with this question was highlighting the "mosts" in the stimulus, then highlighting the same mosts in the answers.
I was able to eliminate A, B, and C off the bat. That left me with D and E. E stuck out as the clear answer. I answered with 3 seconds to spare and didn't have to use any lawgic.
@JessM Same
six seconds over time.
oh boy.
yayay got it right!
THE STRATEGY IS CRAZY EFFECTIVE!!! Just blew my mind and rewired my brain
Crazy how effective the strategy from the previous lesson was here, got it right extremely quickly. Let's hope its like this for all parallel questions lol.
did it under time and got it correct, shallow dip helped a lot wow
EDIT: No, I got this wrong. Ping's reduction works. The convention of chaining through a term shift to a superset is what we often mean with, e.g., A -m-> B -m-> C, or even A -> B -m-> C or A -m-> B -> C. I tried to force it by suggesting that 'extensive experience' is a relative term, but that doesn't apply to answer E, so is not credited as the meaning of the stimulus by LSAT writers. Prior note: Ping's model makes the same error the argument does. It happens to get the correct answer, but accidentally. If there was an answer choice, (F), that said most cats are pets, most pet cats are friendly, so most cats are friendly, (E) would be a better answer. The hypothetical (F) answer only fails because of an undistributed middle term. The pet cat argument is C -m-> P -m-> F, therefore C -m-> F. It's not valid, but it's not the argument being made in the stimulus or in answer choice E. You cannot chain up these arguments OR remove the middle term B and make an inference about the relationship between A and C. In classical terms, it's not just that the the middle term is not distributed, it doesn't even connect the two premises. Not in the stimulus, and not in answer choice (E). In both the stimulus and answer choice (E), the premises do not claim B -m-> C. They claim a superset of B -m-> C. With this set of premises, one cannot even claim that most auto mechanics who have extensive experience understand electronic circuits (or that most snow removal companies that run lawn-care services during the summer hire additional workers in the summer). In both cases the middle term (extensive experience/lawn care services) does not connect the two premises. It's a type of equivocation in addition to a failed most chain (undistributed middle).
I was wondering about this! It seems so clear that in the stimulus, auto mechanics w/ EE are NOT the same--and therefore cannot chain up--as mechanics w extensive experience. A bit confused about that.
@SerayaTalbott-Carey coming back to this, I think Ping is correct, and I was importing a requirement that is not necessary, and not part of the chaining requirement. Usually when we chain A -> B -> C, B can be conceptualized as a superset of the B that are A, so it is reasonable for A -m-> B -m-> C to operate in the same way.
Even just doing shallow dipping for the conclusion and premises allowed me to remove three AC's. only had to graph one, which was not the match, so I automatically chose the remaining one, and it was correct.
@lsatjasg great strategy!
(commenting before watching)n148 comments... not sure why because that feels more than average. maybe people are happy with getting these ideas. interested to see how the LSAT can play around with sufficiency and necessity concepts in these types of questions. can they if placement doesnt matter? in my blind review i ddove deep into D and E and not only does D provide cocnepts in the sufficient that are unlike the stimulus (auto mechanics are inherently mechanics, there exists a subset/superset relationship by the abstractness of language) but also D uses three differing concepts in the necessary.
E makes a little better on both of these by making companies the conceptual focus point and eliminating the differences in the quantity and variety of the necessary placements.
I really can't believe I got this right. :')
Got it right with four seconds remaining let's go!!
I have never heard of the shallow diving method before-- I freaking love it. I genuinely don't think I would have gotten this answer correct without it. I also answered it with 11 seconds to spare. So far... I am hopeful(ish)!
got it right but 4 mins over, a win is a win, & my brain is fried lollll