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This time last year, I was nervously awaiting the posting of December test scores. It could be any day now (Actually, it will almost certainly be 1-3 days before the official release date, so chill y'all!) and since I was committed to applying to that cycle, it would be time to send my applications--like my score or not. I wasn't sure how I'd done, but I felt that if just a couple of things went my way I had a very real chance. I'm writing this post because I feel like while there is a lot of anxiety around every score release, the end of year release carries the additional weight of feeling like a last chance. It certainly felt that way for me. When I got the notification on my phone that my scores were in, I went to a nearby park and I did a few laps around the track before I worked up to opening it. When I did, I was crushed. Not only did I fall short of my target score, I actually fell a point from my October score. I was prepared for less improvement than hoped for, but dropping a point was devastating.

Amidst this emotional shock, I also had an important decision to make. Now that I had fallen so short, I'd have to decide whether to stick to the plan or change course and delay. Obviously, I ended up delaying and, as many of you know, that delay really payed off. But at the time I was making this decision, I did not have that information. I didn't know I'd score a 170, so the choice was not between a 170 a year from now or decent Tier 2 numbers now. It's tempting to conclude that, based on my results, I made the correct decision. That's just not right though. Because I didn't have that information, the correctness of my decision was independent of the outcome. That's a difficult concept, but that's the situation.

So what did I know? What was the information that informed my decision?

While I had fallen far short of my goal score, I had a score that would leave me with some excellent options. I wouldn't be going to any T14 schools, but I could have gone Tier 2 on scholarship. By no means was it a terrible situation. There are lots of schools outside the T14 that lack in prestige but that offer great programs and opportunities. Ultimately, I was in pretty good shape.

On the other hand, I felt like the LSAT had beaten me. And that really was the biggest hold up. If I applied then, it'd mean that I'd accepted that result while I still had one more chance to change it. Of course, I knew what a better score could mean, but I was content with my options. It was just really difficult for me to concede defeat.

And essentially, that was my debate. I think that before committing to a delay, it was important for me to identify how I was going to improve. For anyone contemplating a delay, I think this point is crucial. You need to be able to answer, in concrete terms, how you're planning to do better. For me, that meant signing up at the website with the guy from the LG videos, and it meant living off of my savings for as long as I could so that I could study full time. That was how I'd be able to prepare to a higher level. That was how I was able to answer that question.

Again, it all payed off for me, but there were no guarantees of that happenening. It was possible I could have delayed a year only to find myself in the same situation. I had to be aware of and at peace with that contingency. And so do you if you decide to delay. If you find yourself struggling with the decision to delay or apply, I hope my experience can serve as an example. It is anecdotal, and I'm sure for every success story that gets shared, there are numerous counter examples of things going the other way that people are less eager to talk about. I may have lost a year, but I gained the opportunity to achieve my potential. And that's how you have look at it. By delaying a year you only create an opportunity--one more shot, with zero guarantees, to make it happen.

As an additional bonus, I also benefitted from being able to apply with a much greater knowledge of the application process rather than as an end of cycle noob.

The main takeaway is that if you consider delaying, realize that the correctness of that decision is independent of the results. Even if things hadn't turned out the way they did for me, delaying would still have been the right call. And whatever you decide for yourself will be right or wrong too no matter how it turns out. It's a hard decision, so take some time, think it through, make the call, and don't look back.

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Hello everyone,

I am planning to buy Manhattan 5lb book to practice more drills.

I have started CC in logical reasoning but realized that the drills that are provided in the CC on various topics are not enough for me to apply my knowledge. Also, I am doing prep tests on different topics with various difficulty levels, parallel to obeying the blind review method. But that as well is not giving me the satisfaction.

I need a book that gives me lots and lots and lots of drills from easy to difficult, and which is also segregated by various topics.

I am doubtful whether to purchase loophole or to purchase Manhattan 5lb. Kindly address me with your opinions on the same. Also, if any other book is said to be good, kindly let me know. I am open to the vast category of discussions that help me learn faster and quicker.

Thank you.

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Hi everyone! I need a little advice and I was hoping someone could help me out.

This is my second year applying to law school. Last year I scored a 155 on the September 2019 LSAT, and didn't get accepted anywhere. This time around, I've been doing 7Sage for 4 months, getting through 90% of the core curriculum and doing a bunch of practice tests. I wrote the November 2020 LSAT-Flex and scored a 160. I was a little disappointed in my score when I first got it, because I thought I had scored around 163-164 on the test. Now, I've pretty much come to terms with it.

I'm wondering whether I should rewrite the LSAT in January 2021. I'm applying to Canadian law schools (specifically Ontario ones) and I have a 3.87 GPA. I'm also really confident in my personal essays. All of the schools I've applied to have minimum LSAT scores of 155-157, or median scores of 161.

Is it worth it to rewrite the test in January? Or should I be confident in my 160 and hope for the best?

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Hi everyone!

I will be starting my LSAT journey again after a 1.5-year gap after receiving a 150 on the July 2019 LSAT. I just purchased the Loophole because of its great reviews. For those of you who used the Loophole with 7Sage, what was your strategy? I am planning on going through the CC again and based on past performance, I think I can benefit from the Loophole so I would appreciate if you can share what worked for you.

Thank you in advance!

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Idk what i'm looking for here but I am definitely feeling upset. I wrote in 2018 and only got 151.

After nearly 3 months of studying, I am now PTing 151-154 with a few outlier scores of 158-159. I didnt know if i would hit my goal (low 160s) but I thought there is no way that I couldn't at least do better than the last time when I took it without even studying.

Im writing in January which is my last opportunity to get a good score for this application cycle and I am just feeling so defeated. I feel like all of this money and time was probably just a waste because I'm not improving even though I am studying constantly and taking breaks when I feel like I need them.

Any advice?

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This is my first time posting here, so if I violated some rules/norms, so sorry!

I got my second LSAT score back in November, and for a second time, it was much under my PT range. The first time, it was only 4 points under, which was reasonable enough that I thought it was nerves. The second time, I knew I made a critical mistake on a LG, but I thought I pulled out with roughly a 168-170, which was around my PT average. Instead, I got a 162 for the second time.

I have no idea what went wrong, other than the LG and missing some time because of it, but that wouldn't account for that large of a discrepancy. I did study content right before for my peace of mind, so maybe that played a role in confusing me or something.

I'm taking it again in January as a last-hope effort, but I am unsure how to proceed because I don't know what I need to correct.

For reference, LR is usually my best with LG being a struggle with time, and RC can be its own devil sometimes. I don't have averages on hand, but if that's needed, I figure those out.

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Hi!

So I have a question that I could use some advice on. I have been prepping for the January LSAT for a couple months now, and a few weeks ago I was scoring fairly high/where I wanted to. Recently, using more recent practice tests, I have been scoring a little lower and seemingly plateauing around 169. I am not upset with this score of course, but just wonder if I could improve more for a later date. My main question is whether it is a better idea to just take it in January, see what I get, and potentially keep prepping for April or to put January off and just take April instead (February not an option). How does it look to send in multiple LSAT scores to law schools?

Thank you in advance!

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Is there ANY possibility that LSAC will be releasing any more flex tests? I know they released May months after it took place, but I was wondering if there is any possibility of LSAC releasing the June, July, or August tests? I'm really hoping for new materials.

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Hi y'all,

So I had taken the LSAT earlier and scored 167 on it. I was quite content with my score and was ready to apply with it this cycle but then couldn't do so due to some family situations and Covid. I am an international if that matters.

So I plan on taking the LSAT Flex in April and wanted some input on how should I go about it?

Important points to note: I am working full-time (its a hardcore job with me working 10-12 hours every day on weekdays and I can possibly only study properly on weekends).

I used to do either really well or really bad on LG. Moderately consistent on LR. RC my best days were -3 otherwise I rotated between -5 to -7.

My test average before I took the exam was 167-168 (so right about where I scored). BR used to be low 170s.

Thanks a lot fellow sagers!

Also, a shoutout to Sami for my previous 167. I took her weekend free tutoring sessions that she used to give. Really helpful in every way!

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hello my fellow friends,

I have started preparing for LSAT and thereby simultaneously, started to use powerscore bibles.

I can sit and concentrate while doing CC on 7sage, but I find bibles boring and monotonous and therefore I am not able to sit longer with them. I feel doing bibles and their practice books are important for me to build a smooth base of understanding.

all the helpful people there, kindly suggest me some tips, tricks and hacks that keep me motivated and focused on the journey.

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Last comment saturday, dec 12 2020

Thoughts on pt59

Did anyone find this tests LR ridiculously hard? I mean i got totally rocked.

The lg was easy and the RC was also, so i ended up with my average score.

But my brain hasnt been this toasty in months

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Im started to get really stressed. I want to make sure I take the flex exam but I dont know if i will be 100 percent ready by april. Does anyone know when the rest of 2021 tests dates will be released and do you think they will continue to be flex?

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I’m reading a new book called Essentialism, that I believe applies very well to the LSAT. The idea is to focus on fewer things and maximize them rather than spread yourself thin trying to do too many things. There are many examples in effective LSAT prep ranging from techniques to long term study strategies.

Reading Comp annotation is an excellent example. I only give my students about three or four things to annotate that give you the biggest bang for the buck. By contras, techniques with seven to ten things to annotate are just too many to keep track of and you’ll spread yourself thin. I’m not suggesting the three things I teach are mind-blowing but in my humble opinion, they are the most time effective to understand a passage.

Another example is Skipping or, as I like to call it, doing the questions on your order. You’re prioritizing the questions you’re more likely to get right. It doesn’t mean at all that you don’t get to the others but you don’t make the more challenging questions a priority. So if you’re going to run out of time, you’ve got the lower hanging fruit in the bag and the questions that you are less likely to get right are de-prioritized.

Studying priorities - another eXmple. Again, you only have so much time to study. Prioritize what gives you the biggest bang for your buck. Narrow down the resources that are going to give you the biggest priority. Whether that comes to a certain textbook or course or question types where you need the most help.

Study hours themselves are another great example. When students have an opportunity to study as much as they like I often suggest that they refrain from the temptation to make this a full-time job. It sounds really great to devote 8 hours a day to LSAT study to maximize your score. But the concepts are so abstract that you won’t be effective after a few hours. I tell my students to limit their study hours 4 to 6 max. It’s not easy because it forces you to limit your time to the things that’ll be most effective. But you’ll find that your focus is much more powerful throughout those few hours rather than spreading yourself thin through eight. Often if a student goes beyond four hours or more, their focus begins to wane.

You may find that making choices of what not to focus on can be quite challenging. But as a student, and through years of teaching, I’ve consistently found that focusing on fewer things that make a bigger difference is what leads to the most improvement overall.

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I've been PTing in the mid-low 160s for a while.

A friend recommended 7Sage, especially for Logic Games, and I started the Core Curriculum / drilling / blind reviewing.

After 4 months of studying, I've finally broken trough the 170s!!

I got a 174 (-1 LR, -5 LG, -0 RC) and a 179 on BR.

Thanks so much to the 7Sage community and to JY!!

If you're struggling like I was, know that it gets better!!!

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What Does this Paragraph Mean?

Browsing through an article and found this:

"So long as opinion is strongly rooted in the feelings, it gains rather than loses instability by having a preponderating weight of argument against it. For if it were accepted as a result of argument, the refutation of the argument might shake the solidity of the conviction; but when it rests solely on feeling, worse it fares in argumentative contest, the more persuaded adherents are that their feeling must have some deeper ground, which the arguments do not reach; and while the feeling remains, it is always throwing up fresh intrenchments of argument to repair any breach made in the old."

Without Googling, tell me what you think this means. Reminded me of something that could be on the LSAT.

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LSAT-Flex in China

Hello,

I currently live in Mainland China and I am signed up for the April 2021 LSAT which has been changed to the LSAT-Flex test. I have been looking at the LSAC website to see if there are any issues in China with the LSAT-Flex. Have any of you heard of people taking the test in Mainland China?

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Michigan 2L AMA

University of Michigan 2L AMA

About me:

To make a long story short...

7 Sage and specifically the Pacifico Attack Strategy helped me make a good LSAT score great which enabled me to get a $50,000 a year scholarship to the Top 14 school in my home state of Michigan as a KJD.

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/2737/logic-games-attack-strategy/p1

1L year, I received some fairly ordinary grades which were slightly below median while enjoying learning from some excellent professors and with my extraordinary peers some of whom I consider among my closest friends.

I was not sure if I wanted to pursue a public interest path or seek a firm job. So I applied to some firm positions in a kind of half-hearted way and didn't even get an interview. The first unpaid public interest job that I applied to, a job at the local Public Defender's office, immediately gave me a spot with no request whatsoever for grades or an interview. In part, because you can represent clients on the record in court in Michigan with the Public Defender's Office, I took the job. I financed my summer with a $4000 loan available to all 1Ls that I would only have to repay if I made a certain amount of money combined in my two summers.

At the end of summer, I went through Early Interview Week and despite bidding the least grade selective firms that I could and focussing heavilly on Michigan firms where my ties should have been appealing and interviewing with 25 firms(the max for our EIW), I received 0 call backs.

Since then, I have continued to apply to firms and cold-emailed many with minimal success.

I had only received any further interviews through OCI which has continued to have smaller firms and employers visit our campus.

However, I recently applied to a clerkship position during the academic year with a small firm in the area on Symplicity where employers can post job openings. After sending a follow up email, they immediately offered me an interview later in the week. After the interview which I thought went well, they offered me a position(paid, relatively sparsely compared to Big Law) during the academic year and the upcoming summer. I immediately accepted.

If that eventually turns into a real job, I'll count law school as a success because I have kept my debt pretty low(both through the scholarship and by commuting from my family home now) and will be able to pay it off with even a moderate salary. Within a year or so, I'll have paid off my debt as long as I'm making some money. So, I won't be trapped by debt and will hopefully be a happy lawyer.

That basically brings us to the present.

Ask Me Anything: I'll answer if it doesn't reveal my identity too much more than I already have.

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Hi all. I have been PTing in the low 170s (averaging 172.5) and have only scored 175+ twice with a 175 and a 178. I scored in the high 160s on my first official test and would like to get my average high enough for my score to still be 173+ despite a test day drop. Does anyone have advice on how to consistently break into the mid to high 170s range? My main problem section is RC which typically ranges from -0 to -5. Is there any way to get this more consistent? Also, despite foolproofing games from pts 1-50, I still occasionally go -2 on LG. Is there anything more I can do to consistently get that to -0? I feel the most confident in LR where I average -1 and have never scored below -3.

I am considering trying a PT + review every day as some people I know had success with that strategy. While I think this may be unwise for some, I could see it being helpful for me as I have a strong understanding of the fundamentals. Or would I be better off just doing tons of RC and LG sections?

Thank you for the help!

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LSAT Flex vs 7Sage interface??

Hi guys! I've been using 7Sage to study for over a month and am very comfortable with using the tools/navigating the site/etc. when doing problem sets and PTs.

Can anyone who took a flex exam tell me how different LSAC's interface is? Are the tools the same, and is the layout similar enough that I won't be adapting to it on test day? Thank you!!

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