Title says it all. I watched the post CC webinar and upgraded so I have access to everything now. I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed with the lack of structure and sheer amount of materials available now. For those who have been in a similar position, how did you proceed?

With the June exam quickly approaching, I know that some of you, like me, are quite stressed, I just wanted to be a good friend and share a few things I repeatedly say to myself in my car on my way back from studying:

If you are stressed, you are stressed, and it's perfectly OK to be stressed about it.

Do NOT let your friends and/or family say/do some form of the following to you:

I. Compare you to "a friend" that scored 170+ with three months of casual studying and destroy your morale.

II. Tell you that, "it's like any other SAT's, I've taken (SAT X here) before so I just need to figure out how the test works".

III. Tell you that, "my friend's a lawyer and told me that you can't improve more than 5-10 points even after studying".

I don't know about you guys, but I don't think one can simply "figure out" this test on the ground that they've taken other SAT's. Come to think of it, what a very shitty thing of him to say. I hope he steps on dog poop on his way to work tomorrow morning.

“When I say that evil has to do with killing, I do not mean to restrict myself to corporeal murder. Evil is that which kills spirit. There are various essential attributes of life -- particularly human life -- such as sentience, mobility, awareness, growth, autonomy, will. It is possible to kill or attempt to kill one of these attributes without actually destroying the body. Thus we may 'break' a horse or even a child without harming a hair on its head. "

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YES, it means it's functioning! It's being stretched! It's learning!

I know that many people, including myself, have issues forgiving, therefore allowing, yourself to truly enjoy the rest. When I'm not understanding a passage, or a game, or some LR question, I personally had a hard time putting my pencil down and tell myself "it's ok, it might not be right now, but it will come". It was usually something like, "what the fuck is wrong with me why am I so retarded? goddamnit I hate myself", and go outside to smoke. I realized that there's a fine line between being critical and being abusive to oneself.

"Since God forgives us, to fail to forgive ourselves is to hold ourselves higher than God---thereby indulging in the sin of perverted form of pride."

I'm not in any way trying to start anything related to any form of religion. The book happened to be written by a psychiatrist who based his ideas on Christian doctrine...

Don't. Give. Up.

If I start the Starter course now, is it enough for the September LSAT for me to get an score of 160+?

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Hi all!

This is my first time posting in a Discussion Forum, and I could really use some words of encouragement. I currently work full time as a paralegal, and I have been studying since September of 2017. I'm not gonna lie to you, and I'm sure many of you know - it's so gosh darn hard to make yourself study after a full day of work!! Anyways, at first I wasn't studying very regularly, but then I got into the habit of studying on my lunch breaks, and after work as well. It's been SO exhausting, but I know that it's worth it when I see myself getting higher scores and having deeper understandings on a consistent basis. I was originally going to take the February 2018 test, but I then decided to take the June 2018 test instead, so that I would have more time to study. I THINK I'll be okay taking this June test, but I'm starting to panic again with it being right around the corner. I'm not sure if my doubts have any real basis, or if it's just me being my normal super paranoid anxious test-taking self. I know that if I'm not pleased with my score, I can retake the LSAT in September, but I just don't want to have to resort to that. Is that silly of me?

Thanks in advance for reading and for your help :)

I've been studying for the LSAT for what I feels like is two long years. I took the June 2017 and got 144. Prior to that I did self studying using Powerscore Bibles and also took a Powerscore course which in my opinion seemed useless since the teacher truly didn't know how to teach the material. I took a couple of months off after the test feeling like an idiot got back into it in August using 7sage CC and although I feel like I've learned a lot more and have been able to grasp concepts I do not see any improvement in PTs I am scoring between 149 and 155 and my BR the highest was a 162. However when I go over questions and explanations I feel like I understand. I talk out the stimulus and answer choices to myself and I feel okay but anytime I go into the test I'm anxious. I don't finish any section on time everything is just a mess!

I was terrible at LG before using 7 sage, Ive done the full proof method on 1-35 and although I can get through most games I almost never feel confident in what I am doing I recently took a PT where I froze on each game kept going back and forth and basically ran out of time. Once I went back to BR I got -3 on the section. I wanted to cry.Questions on LR that I've answered correctly 9/10 I almost always go back and change my answer to an incorrect one. I am getting -14 on LR on each section. It just seems like I haven't put any work in at all.

I don't know what to do anymore. I work crazy hours and still try to put at least two to three hours a day of practice in and I am just getting no where with this. I was scheduled to take the June exam but I know ill be wasting my time. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I am looking to get my score into mid 160s.

Anyone who's been on this forum for more than a couple weeks probably realizes that this is a complex and controversial topic. While I value a wide variety of opinions, I'm particularly keen to hear from persons who have taken the LSAT multiple times. Hopefully, those with similar quandaries to my own can also benefit from this thread.

I'm currently slated to write the test in June, and though I'm pleased with the progress I've made so far, I'm fairly confident that I have some wrinkles to iron out before I'd be scoring in my preferred range (170+). My current average is in the 165-168 range. In addition to taking the June test, for the past couple months I've planned on retaking the test in September. I have a flexible job that works around my studying, and I sincerely enjoy the project, so an additional 2 months of prep isn't a con.

That being said, here's my question: what are your recommendations as far as canceling my June test and only taking September versus taking both tests? Weighing in my mind are a couple questions: should I be walking into the test if I'm less than confident that I will earn satisfactory score (I know for many this goes against 7Sage orthodoxy); would taking the June test help to calm nerves in September by providing a sense of familiarity with the experience; would knowing that I have a retake planned help to alleviate some pressure during the June test and, theoretically, help me stay composed?

Though I don't want to put anyone on the spot, I understand that @LSATcantwin , @"Cant Get Right" , @"Seeking Perfection" , & @Alex might have some experience in this area? Any insights you might offer would be greatly appreciated!

Hey all!

I’ve been studying to take the June LSAT and am currently averaging about a 170 on my PTs. I’m very happy with my score and my progress, but I was hoping to get my average up a few points to be in the upper medians of the HSY ranges and/or to counteract any test anxiety on the day of the test.

For you high scorers, I was wondering if anyone has any advice as to how to push score when within this range. For context, I am tending to score about a -3 on RC, -0 on LG, and about -3 through -5 on LR. The question types that I am missing don’t seem to have any clear patterns except that I am slightly below average on my weakening questions in LR. I seem to be missing questions primarily due to overconfidence or missing a word in the questions stem. I’ve implemented strategies to try to make up for these mistakes, but I have not seen an increase in my score.

Any advice would appreciated! Thanks everyone and good luck in your studies.

Edit: My past 5 LSAT scores were three 170s, a 172, and a 167 (I was interrupted in multiple occasions on this LSAT and do not know how representative this score is).

Is there any good ones out there? I have access to the admissions stuff but it would be helpful if I knew exactly what it should look like as a whole... thanks!

I transferred after getting my associates. Should it be on there?

Hello! Last February I took the LSAT and scored a 163, which I am very happy about. I am currently planning to take the exam again in Sep and am hoping to bump my score up near the 170s for acceptance and scholarship purposes. For my first test, I self studied by using a Kaplan book, PTs 60-80, and 7Sage's free youtube videos of all the Logic Games. I am not entirely sure how to go about studying for the test in 3.5 months and am seeking advice from everyone here! All thoughts appreciated

I haven't seen anyone mention Honest Meditation here, so my apologies if this has already been recommended. As someone with too much anxiety mixed with ADHD, I never found the usual meditation videos and apps that helpful. I get bored way too easily and I have trouble being alone with my thoughts. As a result, I either spiral into a bottomless abyss of anxiety or fall asleep from lack of interest.

Enter, Honest Meditation.

I don't know what it is about cursing, but it's such a freeing feeling to have someone calmly acknowledge all the bullshit swimming in my head as soothing music plays softly in the background. I think the swearing keeps my brain engaged. Check it out y'all:

He also has an app, but it ain't free: https://itunes.apple.com/app/id1059195733

And for all the Android folks: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jasonheadley.hnestmeditation

I only finished all the curriculum, and just half way through full-proofing games.

( this is partly because i planned to take another one in October, but because of some issues this June test might be my only attempt, so i am kinda running out of time )

what should my study schedule look like now?

any insight is greatly appreciated :)) thanks!

I've been focusing on the LR section of the LSAT. I realized I can spend up to 3 minutes on a question during timed test conditions. This is...ridiculous...lol. I don't realize I'm spending so much time on a question. To me, it's like only a minute and a half has gone by.

I am not good at accurately assessing how much time has passed. How do I get better? I have a habit of checking my watch at the question 10 and question 25 mark. Maybe I should start checking my watch after each page of questions?

Do you have any habits/internal cues that help you keep track of time during the test (any section: LR/LG/RC) and ensure you don't spend too much time on any one question? Please share. :)

Hi everyone,

I just finished MSS question sets, and am constantly missing 2~3 questions. I'm actually amazed at my stupidity.

Should I redo MSS or should I just continue?

Also, is it better to finish each section and go on to the next one? or should I stick with the schedule? I've read some other people's postings and many seem to finish LG first to get it out of the way.

I'd really appreciate any advice! Thank you!

I want to make sure I'm not missing out on any valuable tips, tricks, etc. Besides following the study guide and using the videos to ensure I "get it," are there any features of 7sage that you use that maybe I or others are unaware of?

For example, in a recent question I posted re: timing yourself, someone mentioned using the 7sage app's test proctor feature. I had no idea this existed and I expect it will be quite helpful when I'm taking regular PTs.

Is there anything else I may be missing out on?

hi there! I've only taken the diagnostic at this point, so the only timing I did was to set an alarm for the amount of time each section allows. I'm noticing lots of people are timing themselves for each individual question - how are you doing that - stopwatch? I'm assuming you're doing so in order to determine which area(s) you need to improve speed but if there's another reason, could you please share what that is?

thanks :)

I feel so defeated right now, and I need some advice. I've been studying for this exam for a little over a year, and I feel like I need to reexamine my study methods. I've taken 23 PTs (including my diagnostic) in total, with an average PT score of 155. The following is my breakdown of the averages for each section: -7.1for LR / -7.9 LG /-10.6 RC. Looking at these numbers in conjunction with the amount of time I've been studying makes me feel so inadequate. I feel like crying as I write this, but I feel like I need to be as forthcoming as possible.

I've tried to follow all the wonderful advice given on this forum and it has, without a doubt, helped me to better understand the underlying concepts of this test. On a positive note, my BR score has been in the high 170s for the past 10 PTs I've taken, an indication, if any, that I'm grasping the concepts. I think it's important to note that I am very meticulous with my blind review method. I have literally hundreds of pages of notes and explanations for problems I've missed. Nevertheless, I still find myself struggling to perform at my best during PTs. I've attempted to remedy this by taking timed sections in between PTs, as well as drill specific question types. I've also implemented skipping strategies during timed tests which has allowed to get through all the questions with a couple minutes to spare at the end of each section. I have seen some improvement in my score. I have been scoring lately in the high 150s with even a couple of PTs in the low 160s. This has been a confidence booster, even though they maybe outliers.

I'm starting to think I just have really bad test anxiety, but I don't want to chalk it up to that just yet. My frustration has led me to try and control other aspects of my life with the hope that it would give me some edge during PTs. For example, I've picked up meditation, I've started going to the gym regularly, and I've completely cut out alcohol from my diet. I'm not sure if these changes have helped, as I've been unable to discern any drastic changes in my score since I've implemented them.I'm struggling to not succumb to feeling so defeated, but it's really hard not to.

With that said, I'm determined to not give up. I've invested waaaay too much time. I just feel rather desperate right now and need some advice. My BR score does give me hope that I'm understanding the material, for the most part. I just don't know what the fuck is happening during my PTs. Does anyone else have similar struggles?

Hello all, I'm new to 7sage, still in the free account (unfortunately, found out about 7sage after signing up for another in-person class $1400).

I officially started studying and classes mid-April, and didn't realize at the time that I would not be prepared for the June test.

My diagnostic came out to be 149. I study every day, at minimum 6 hours (which includes 3 PTs a week, reviewing, drills, homework from class, etc.) and some times up to 10 hours. I have no other commitments, I just separated from the military and going to Georgetown has always been my dream. At this point, realistically speaking, I'm so devastated my score is STILL stuck at the same place as I started about a month ago. I bought all of the PTs already and I have a lot of the conceptual knowledge down, but it's still not working out. One improvement, I guess, is that I can get through most of the questions (not correctly, but...) under a proctored PT, just leaving about 2-3 questions per section (still bad...), compared to leaving 6 questions or so in the beginning.

Is it even realistic that I can improve at minimum 10 points in the next two months? I know June will be a disaster, but hopefully "trying it out" will make me less anxious for the July exam.

I have my mind set pretty firm on July being the last exam because I want to apply ED for Georgetown.

My LSAC GPA is 3.72, and I am not URM. Do I even have chances of getting in with this low of an LSAT score?

*If anyone has any advice on getting into Georgetown or rather, how I should approach the school, I will most gladly take it.

What can I do to improve, what is my problem? Am I not studying smart?

I've already realized that I did not set up a realistic goal in the first place with an unrealistic time frame, so please help me out what I CAN do, rather that what I failed to set up or take into account.

This post is not saying that I am giving up, but I need to navigate to the right way in chances of doing whatever I can to increase my scores. This is a side note, but since I already have the PTs, should I still purchase 7sage?

I will really appreciate some feedback! Thank you for listening to my sadness...

Hey, everyone!

I'm putting together my resume for applications and am wondering how other folks have managed to handle their experience.

I have been working for 2 years FT post-graduation, but had internships throughout my undergraduate career (every semester and summer) that were all relevant to pursuing law.

If I include my two full time jobs and 5 internships (one includes being hired as a research consultant part time while still in school), I quickly take up one page with experience. The internships were - Global Attitudes Research Assistant (consultant position hired out of Global Strategy Internship) for an advocacy organization, Host Country Affairs Intern (this was with the State Dept. at the US Mission to the UN), Public Policy & Affairs Intern at a LGBT health org, Paralegal Intern at an impact litigation organization and Legal & Public Policy Intern at an alternatives to incarceration court.

Does anyone have any feelings on this? Is it fair to include each of these and maybe just limit the bullets to 1 or 2 for the internships?

Hello everyone!

I wrote the June 2017 exam and scored much lower than my average PT result, and after not getting into my first choice school I've decided to retake when I'm ready to score in a higher range. I'll definitely be following the core curriculum and study plan 100% when I get back from a vacation I have planned, but I was just wondering if anyone who's retaken the LSAT over a year later has any tips on getting back into the zone here?

Thanks so much for any answers, and happy studying!

I am signed up for th June lsat. My recent scores have been 165, 168, 169, 169, 171, 165, 170, 173. And then today I got a 164 on pt 72. I know sometimes we just have bad days but I went into this test rested and confident, I just don’t know what happened. Trying not to let it bring me down but I am experiencing some anxiety for sure with only 3 weeks left to go. While I’ve hit 170+ several times, I just don’t feel solidly there and would be pretty bummed if I score below it on test day. Sadly July is not an option for me as I’ll be abroad. How should I proved. LR seems to give me the most trouble, today I missed a combined 14 Questions there alone

Hi Guys!

This is my first time to study the LSAT and have never bought any resources. My target score is 170. I have some philosophy background including logic but it was very elementary logical arguments. what would be the the right steps I need to follow?

Thanks

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I finally broke 170 today after quite a few tests stuck in the high 160s. I'm still aiming to score higher, but it feels really good to pass a notable benchmark.

What has gone well for you as of late? Anything click, or any personal records for scores on PTs, or any culinary successes in your procrasti-baking?

Hi everyone,

Has anyone had any experience with accommodations? I have a hand injury that makes it tough to write right now. It's on the mend, but I'm not sure what it will be like when I plan on the Sept 2018. I'd like to see if anyone has had to take accommodations out and what their experience was like.

Rock on!