Hi all,

What are your thoughts on Practice Test retakes? Are the scores you get utterly insignificant? Or not?

If so, are they still worth doing? Thoughts?

Is there a cap? Hope I can bring in at least 6, so I can have a sharp point for each logic game and a sharp point for the other sections. I really want to bring 10, just in case my experimental is LG.

So I took the test today and my clumsy self accidentally ripped the side of the answer sheet. It wasn't a big tear and it was not directly on the section answers bubbles. I asked the proctors and they said it was fine. I am worried because I am under the impression that LSAC scores the test via one of those score machines that requires you to insert the answer sheet in and since mine was partially damaged, it won't be scored :( Am I being paranoid right now?

Does anyone know how much PT 76-79 differ compared to the rest of the PTs that are available?

Hi everyone! I was wondering if anyone's had a similar experience to mine and has scored well on their LSATS. I started at a 148 without reviewing the material ever and I'm trying to get to a 160. I'm currently studying about 3 hours per day (I work full-time) and about 5-6 on Saturdays and 5-6 on Sundays. I'm hoping this can get me where I need to be! I'm taking the LSAT in June and need a little bit of encouragement. Any advice is much appreciated.

Hi, I wanted to check out some of the live RC passages that JY does for PT5 and 6 but I can't seem to find them. Are they not included in the starter package? Thank you!

I look forward to commiserating with you later today!

Hi 7Sagers,

If you’ve done an an interview this cycle, help out your fellow applicants and tell us what you remember. What was the format? What were you asked? I’ll compile the answers and put them in the admissions course, but I won’t use your name.

Anybody else anxiously awaiting for their admissions decisions? So far I have only gotten back two decisions out of ten. One was immediate and the other took an entire week. I do the online application check at least once a day and they have said that they have been in review for at least a week. Is this normal?

It feels great to eliminate all incorrect AC and pick out the correct AC, not only out of POE but because I've uncovered the reasoning for its correctness. But that kind of time is a luxury of prep and not available on test day. I know that I will need to bank time in order to finish the sections. The banked time will come from things like picking out an assumption and prephrasing the answer or guessing between two possibilities and unemotionally moving on to the next question.

But at what point in the prep should we include those sort of strategies?

I have a story to share for those who are at a crossroads. Keep in mind that I am overwhelmed with emotions that my grammar & steneces may be off. But I knew the best time to write this would be when I was in this state of mind. I took the LSAT October 2015 & did not perform well-at all. I was devastated because that meant I had to take a whole year off & I didn't know what my next should be. I decided you know what I'll try this 7Sage curriculum-what else do I have to lose. After relearning the LSAT, rigorous hours of prep tests, & preptalks I decided to retake the LSAT in December 2016. I promised myself that no matter my score I would write about my experience with 7Sage to help other students that are in the same boat as I am. Because trust me, I had thoughts about whether I should quit on my dreams & just settle. Well I just found out, like five minutes ago that I got accepted into the school that I had been wanting to since I began this incredible journey!! So those of you that can relate don't give up, keep trying, & have faith! So with alllll that said, THANK YOU SO MUCH 7Sage you seriously were a huge part of the beginning of my legal education!

Sorry so long!! :)

Okay, so here's my story, it's long, so bear with me.

In November 2015, I applied for September 2016 admission. I hadn't touched the LSAT yet and I tried to study; however, I quickly realized it was too difficult as I was also in my final year of school (fifth year) and working a fairly demanding job on my days off. I had registered for the December LSAT but I withdrew prior to writing it as I knew nothing about the LSAT at this point. By February 2016 (the last accepted LSAT for the 2016 cycle), I realized it was better to take a year off and study for the LSAT properly. To be honest, applying during this cycle was a complete waste; however, at the time, I did not realize what the LSAT entailed and was told an anecdote where a girl studied for 6 weeks and got accepted, so I was basing my studying on 6 weeks.

I finished school in April 2016 and did not start studying right away because I had just completed my undergraduate and wanted some time off. Around June, I started studying using the Powerscore books, with the intention of writing the October LSAT. However, the week of the LSAT, I still did not feel prepared enough and I also did not really think I was benefiting from the Powerscore books as much as I could have, so the week of the October LSAT, I joined 7Sage (LSAT Premium). In the meantime, I applied for admission to the September 2017 cycle.

I enrolled for the December 2016 LSAT but the day before I realized I was still not ready (I had not even finished the core curriculum of 7sage at this point), and I withdrew. One of my friends ended up having a disturbance during their LSAT, which essentially wasted a take for her. As I only withdrew the day before the LSAT, I actually didn't tell my family and went to the test centre and wrote a PT instead that day in the library of the college I was supposed to be writing in. I also upgraded to LSAT Ultimate+.

Fast forward to today, I have improved a great deal (thanks to 7sage!!!) but I still do not feel completely ready. The first time I kind of rushed through the curriculum but now I have been going through the curriculum more slowly, as a result, I have not finished the Ultimate+, though I have finished the Premium Level. I went from a 147 LSAT in June to 161 on Test 64 two weeks ago. However, that is the only test I wrote where I scored in the 160s so far (I have not written any other PT since). Also, knowing the February LSAT is undisclosed also makes me slightly apprehensive because I won't be able to check my answers.

I know I can do better if I continue to study the way I have been studying now but I also don't know if I should waste another cycle and I feel like the girl who cried wolf in a sense that I always withdraw from my LSAT before I have written it, citing the need for more time. However, I would always apply for these tests prematurely, without actually being ready.

So, should I withdraw from tomorrow's LSAT or should I just write it? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

So yesterday I received an acceptance notification from UChicago and a denial from The University of Michigan. By all accounts, Chicago is a much better law school so how was I outright denied by U-M but accepted by Chicago?

So here's a general question for anyone who's ever had this awful experience...It appears I'm going to be sick on the day of the February LSATs after having the flu on the day I had to take the December ones. ( I think I tempted fate by loudly announcing to the universe, "oh well, at least I know I won't get sick again for the February LSATs, haha" after taking the first ones). The first time I didn't take any meds (because I didn't want to further dull my thinking), didn't touch or breathe on anyone, and just tried to muscle through. This time, all I appear to have is a cold, but I'm wondering if you all know of any cough/cold meds that you can take that won't make you drowsy or dull your thinking at all. Has anyone been in this position before? Did you have suggestions for how to get through this? I got through a test with a flu without it too much affecting my score (just a 165, but it's not the best I can do by a longshot) so a cold should be easy. But I just don't want to take anything that's going to put me out of it.

Cheers and good luck tomorrow!

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So I know that on the LSAT correlation can never, ever, ever equal causation. I know that correlation being there can strengthen causation and a lack of correlation can weaken causation.

My question is this: does causation equal correlation (on the LSAT specifically?) In-depth explanations welcome, as are examples. Bonus points: LSAT questions off the top of your head that use that concept (rare, I would imagine)

Just some background for a minute, I have no job and one class at school I can devote as much time to the LSAT as I need to. I am not afraid of hard work. GPA is T1 level and the only instance that stands between myself and my dream school is the LSAT.

The problem I have been having is with the work in the syllabus. I try and shoot for 8 hours a day working on the 7sage course, but I've currently been feeling a little down by the time inconstancies between how long it takes me to do a problem set and how long it actually says it should be done in.

Each problem set (5 Q's) has a time of 30mins to complete. When I screenshot the questions and print ~5 minutes, take the 7 minutes for timed conditions, another BR of about ~20 minutes to really understand why the answers are right or wrong, and finally watching the video explanations ~30 mins; I realized each problem set is about an hour, give or take, and after putting in four hours I will take a break. When I return, I see that I've only had "two hours of progress" for the week. I can't seem to shake off this notion that I am not doing enough, or maybe I am doing it in a way that is not correct for studying. Nevertheless, I am learning so much from each and every problem set and lesson, but I have ran into the problem where I still have 24 hours of studying for this week to do and I am afraid I will just keep getting buried as I progress.

Any thoughts :/

Hey fellow 7sagers : )

I am seeing a lot of posts about people knowing they are not ready for the test but still taking it or realizing by answering their LSAT questions that they do not yet have a good grasp on fundamentals but are still taking the test. So if your average score of past 3-5 correctly timed stimulated practice test is not within plus or minus 5 of your ideal score. This post is for you.

A little background: I was once where you are, not ready for the test, but I was registered. I had already paid the $180 ( or whatever the exorbitant amount they charge us) and quite frankly refused to let my hard earned money go to waste. I mean, $180 is a lot of money! I was determined to at least get "something" out of that money I had already given to LSAC. I reasoned I could get some real time practice about how LSAT really was and somehow that would help me when I was finally able to take the test having studied to my full potential, at a later date of course. But then some "mentors" descended out of nowhere and helped me see where I was going wrong and I hope I can do the same for you and return that favor. So below I have listed five reasons you should not take LSAT this coming Saturday.

Why you should ditch LSAT this weekend :)

#1) Learning from other people who have taken the test before they were ready: It's more effective to learn from other people who have done something similar than to do the same thing and expect different results. When I have asked people who have taken this test before they were ready none of them have yet said to me "That was such an invaluable experience!". On the contrary I mostly hear regrets. I often hear "I wished someone had told me not to take the test. I just wasted my takes. Even though I am now ready, my real lsat score ended up being slightly below what I was scoring on my practice and I wish I had more takes left." You literally just have to ask around to see the regrets in people who took the test before they were ready to know that this idea of using a real take as a practice test is nothing compared to the value of having a few takes left and scoring your ideal score and getting into your dream college. Some people need to take it twice or thrice to just score within their practice range. So please err on the side of caution and give yourself that opportunity.

#2) Don't give your application a weakness it doesn't have yet: When you get down to submitting your applications, which one of us really wants to write about why one of our LSAT score was low?

#3) $180 is actually not a lot of money: Okay It's a lot of money if you think in terms of how most of us have to pinch money so we can work as few hours as possible and study for LSAT as much as we can. But If you take a look at the financial impact a good college can have on our lives, that $180 doesn't seem to be worth it to fuss over.The current lawyer I work for went to T20 law school and can make that much in less than half an hour, and this isn't even big law. So although that $180 seems a lot right now, the opportunities that can come from getting into a top college and having an amazing application which cannot happen without an LSAT score, is worth to lose that $180 now. Lets not throw good money after bad.

#4) That practice we all want to get this Saturday can be achieved in a library with JY's recorded voice as the proctor: is it exactly the same as real time? No. But if you adhere to it and don't cheat yourself, there is not much difference between a real proctored test and JY proctored test. Could bad things happen during the real thing? Yes. But you could prepare yourself for that too by taking it in places where its hard to take the test. The point being you can stimulate real test day, apart from unseen circumstances, pretty accurately. So don't use a real take for practice; use practice test for practice, and real test for when you are really ready.

#5) Maybe I can score a 170 on the real test?!!!!:(/i(/u)> I call this the "I am the Exception" feeling and I think this is actually a big one. Despite the evidence in front of us where our practice scores and our dream scores just do not match, somehow we get convinced we might get that 170 or who knows even that 180 if we just take this test. I think this happens because all us are actually very good students, who get mostly A's, or know we are smart because even when we didn't work hard we still managed to get that high grade. We have by now mastered the art of cramming the day before the test; surely if in college studying the night before could get me A+, I can study this week before the test and beat everybody just like I used to. While it might have worked in college, I am here to tell you sadly LSAT is different. Unlike cramming, LSAT requires us to develop good and efficient habits. It's not something we score on the test day, but something we have already scored in our practice test.

*So unless you actually attended Hogwarts and know some spells to ace this LSAT in a different way, I recommend using your practice test as a guide to know when you are ready. After all, is PT 80 going to be so different from PT 75-79 that your score will jump tremendously? Probably not. Maybe a little if you are lucky like some ( I have yet to hear a more than 5 point jump), but not by a lot.

#6) Confidence: ( I know I said five reasons but its actually six. Five just made for a better Title of the post ;) ) I know from taking enough PT's that confidence can play a big role into the score I am going to get. The more confident I am, the faster I will end up going through questions and finish everything on time. But the funny thing about confidence is that it has to come from ability. If you are not yet able to answer questions correctly and fast, you are either going to be over confident in which you will answer things incorrectly or you are going to be under confident and stressed, and you will also end up answering things incorrectly. Confidence in LSAT is great when it comes from acquired ability, it doesn't work the other way around and it can definitely hinder you if you are not confident because you know you are not ready.

I know this is not the news most of us want to hear, especially when we are registered to take the test in a few days. But I hope this gives you at least a few points to consider. The rest is up to you of course. Good luck in whatever direction you end up going. Much much love.

I would like to add an inspiring story for people who don't want to wait till the next application cycle to take the test:

I once met a Dentist who told me that he waited three years to get into UC San Francisco, which is the #1 Dental School in United States. During those three years he faced constant doubt from himself because of how hard it was for him to score high on that test and the pressure from his family who thought he was just wasting time. But he didn't budge. And now that he has graduated from the top Dental school and makes a lot of money, no one remembers that time. His family doesn't and he certainly doesn't. He is very happy he made that decision and gave himself the best opportunity he could to succeed and he has succeeded.

I wish only success and the best for all of you. Good luck <3

Hi Guys,

When would you recommend I completely stop studying for the LSAT if I am taking it this February. Do you recommend warming up on test day or the night before?

Thank you :)

With 5 days left, I want to wish everyone who is taking the upcoming LSAT the best of luck. I also wish anyone going to the class of 2020 the best of luck, too.

We salute you.

When doing SA questions that are logic based, I do well seeing as I know how to diagram the statements and link them up accordingly.

However, when SA questions are not logic based, I have a very difficult time getting the correct answer.

Cans someone please give me some advice on how to do SA questions that were not logic based?

Hey guys, I was just wondering if anyone had any advice in regards to how to resume studying after taking a break? I finished the core curriculum in December, and decided early Jan that I wasn't going to be ready for the Feb. LSAT. I also decided to postpone my LSAT studies until April, when I finish my undergrad, so that I have the time to dedicate myself to full-time studies. I was just wondering if there were any tips for keeping my brain LSAT-engaged so it doesn't feel like I have to start all over again in April. Also, how people got back into the groove of studying full-time after taking a couple months off? Any help is appreciate, thanks :)

A friend of mine and I were discussing PT 76 (a PT I had never done before), and I went rummaging through my LSAT material, when I found PT 76, its cover a sort of sea green. Now, my first reaction was that PT 76 does NOT "feel" like a sea green to me. My friend said the same and voiced his dissatisfaction with PT 77's vibrant red, a point I myself was about to make!

We both agreed PT 72 felt right with its purple cover and that PT 77 needed a more neutral color. Does anyone get this way when looking at these PTs? There's some psychology to this, I just know it!

When doing NA questions that are not logic based, it is a lot easier for me to get the correct answer, especially with negating the answer choices.

However, when NA questions are logic based, I have a very difficult time getting the correct answer.

Cans someone please give me some advice on how to do NA questions that are logic based?

Hello everyone,

I took the December LSAT after studying for 4 months. I did a bunch of practice questions and tests. But I was studying/reviewing the wrong way. I took the test in December, even though I did not feel ready. I am not satisfied with my score. I decided to retake the lsat in June and apply next cycle.

If someone has been through this, could you please tell me how you used the same materials and made the best out of it?

Thanks,

Dodo