Hi All,

I am currently signed up for the Ultimate package with 7Sage. After taking some time off, I am back to studying for LSAT. I noticed that 7Sage now has Ultimate+ (sorry if this has been out for a while and has already been discussed, but I just noticed it recently). Is an upgrade from Ultimate to Ultimate+ recommended? For anyone who has upgraded and been through the new offering, please let me know your thoughts and recommendations.

Thanks a lot for your time.

Does anyone know which states offer the multi state bar exam?

I've also heard that some states offer reciprocity but I'm not sure which ones & if you have to be practicing law for a while or not to do that.

Thank you in advance for any information.

Hey all,

I seem to have found an issue in my thought process which needs addressing. I cannot distinguish between an analogy in an argument and counterexample.

For PT23 S2 Q11, an AP question type, I was pretty convinced that the part of the argument I was asked to describe was a counterexample when in fact, it was an analogy (question wrong :( ). After watching the explanation video I was still a little hazy on this but could definitely see it as an analogy.

Fast forward to PT33 S1 Q2, a MR question, I was faced with the same dilemma. Down to two answer choices, one describing the argument as using an analogy and the other saying it was a counterexample. My instinct wanted to choose the counterexample but I began to recall what caused me to err on the aforementioned AP question. I ended up choosing the analogy AC which ended up being correct.

I feel as if I am on the brink of having an 'ah ha' moment (or am way overthinking this) and was curious if anyone could shed some light and help clarify these two concepts for me.

From what I have taken away, an analogy is used in an argument to show that something is like something else and, because of the similarities, proof that the original reason for the initial something being argued for is in fact a valid. For example, If I say all Jedi use the Force and all Sith Lords use the Force as well, then Luke Skywalker is, therefore, both a Jedi Knight and a Sith Lord. The analogy of the Jedi and Sith assumes that Luke is both, when all avid Star Wars fans know this is not the case (although, this is not an entirely invalid argument. Anakin Skywalker--Luke's father--was, technically, both a Jedi and a Sith).

A counterexample almost directly opposes the initial claim made by the argument. If I say that all Jedi use the Force and I find a Jedi who has no ability to use the Force, then that would be a counterexample. It's like an exception to a rule.

Am I thinking straight? Thank you in advance.

Proctors: Really nice. Had spare pencils. Very accommodating to students. Fixed the classroom clock quickly before the Test began.

Facilities: A standard lecture room on a beautiful campus -Trent University.

What kind of room: Classroom lecture style, seats 100+.

How many in the room: 35-40.

Desks: 5 or 6 feet long desks, plenty of space. Standard plastic chairs.

Left-handed accommodation: Not applicable since these are desks.

Noise levels: Silent.

Parking: Yes, there is free parking on weekends. Right in front of the building.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: 20 minutes to sign in and put bags away, 5 minute walk to other building for the classroom, another 15-20 minutes to set up and adjust the broken clock.

Irregularities or mishaps: Yes. The doors to the building where the lecture room was LOCKED for the weekend. A group of us were standing outside around 7:40 trying to figure out how to get in. No one was around. Mini panic for sure. Eventually, an admin came to open the door - however, I see this happening again. What if someone came a little later and no one was there to open? There were no signs outside.

Other comments: Everything else went very well.

Would you take the test here again? Although the proctors and facilities were excellent, the door issue dissuades me. I would not take a test here again unless there are signs or other notice of where to enter the building.

Date[s] of Exam[s]: Oct 2015

I live in Columbus, Indiana (near-ish Bloomington and about two hours away from Cincinnati). Anyone with any test center experiences around this area, please fill me in! Area in question extends to Indianapolis and around that region as well or even as far as Northern Indiana near Notre Dame. I'm willing to travel far for a center I trust to be solid.

For some reason I'm not getting any RC data for my analytics. The other sections show up fine, but for question type analysis, RC is blank. It says "no data available"

Anyone else having this issue?

First of all, high five!

So now what do I do? Take a break? Drill? PT? Start over and do it again? What have some of y’all done to transition out of the curriculum?

Dear 7sagers,

I have this dean who knows me very very well. I was afraid that she could not write LOR before school deadlines, so I submitted all my applications without indicating that there will be a third from her. Now hers has arrived. Shall I talk to schools to submit one more LOR? Does it hurt? Does it help?

Thank you so much!

I still can't figure out how to enter my original score and my BR score when I'm checking the answers. Could someone help me?

Lots of points made in this short video from Bloomberg Law. I agree completely with his viewpoint about the importance of writing and recommending that people should generally avoid pre-law courses in favor of having a more well-rounded focus in undergrad.

Nevertheless, I think it's a little harder to justify making law school 4 years due to the extra monetary/time costs and the perception of many law school students who felt that their 3rd year was useless (http://www.businessinsider.com/third-year-of-law-school-is-useless-2012-11; http://abovethelaw.com/2013/09/recent-graduates-overwhelmingly-think-their-third-year-was-useless/). It certainly could be the case that these law school students are just simply wrong, but of the many law school teachers, current lawyers, and retired lawyers I've talked to, the vast majority seem to think that law school either is a year too long or 3 years is fine.

Idk though, I haven't been to law school (yet), but I'm interested in what current law school students/law school grads think.

This may seem like an overly anxious question, but I was wondering if people take their practice tests in the same way they expect to be taking it on test day? I just realized I will be taking the LSAT this June in a large auditorium, with those tiny desks (the ones where you can't fit both the test and answer sheet completely on it at the same time), compared to the testing center I took the test in last time in which I had an abundant amount of room to spread out the test booklet and the answer sheet. I honestly never took "bubbling strategies" too seriously, but now I'm starting to think I may need to develop a bubbling strategy that caters to not having the answer sheet available on the desk to bubble in at any time. Any thoughts or strategy tips would be really appreciated.

I don't know about you, but after each exhausting 5-section practice test I take, I have to do something else to decompress for a few hours. Usually I'll either play some video games or watch YouTube videos, but today I was fortunate enough to watch Middle Tennessee knock off Michigan State. Do you guys jump right from the PT into BR, or, if you take some time off, how long do you take and what do you do?

Hi everyone,

I plan on taking the LSAT (for the third time) this June; I purchased the starter package and am currently going through the lessons. I was wondering if you all would recommend taking practice tests before fully completing the core curriculum? Should I start practicing the LR sections when I begin the Introduction to Reading Comprehension lesson? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I want to delete all my previous test results on grader.

But it seems like there is no reset button nor could I delete the answers myself. When I erase all the answers from the answer sheet, it still shows as I took the test.

Is there a way I can restart the grader?

For high scorers (high 160s, 170s), how have you guys kept answered questions from reading comprehension passages that test on specific details from the passage accurately and efficiently. These questions stump me because they usually test a detail that I may have glossed over. I usually fare ok on the questions that test passage structure but this particular question type has been getting me recently. I noticed in particular when the passage asks about a detail relating to a particular time frame, I find myself wondering where I have seen that particular detail.

Thanks

So I started doing my PTs after finishing the core curriculum and while I initially saw some improvement (started with my diagnostic at 152, then started getting high 150s now low 160s), I don't feel like I'm really improving. In fact, while before I wasn't running into time issues and was able to finish on time for the LR and Reading Sections, I'm now finding it harder to finish those sections on time. The games is the one section that is consistently getting better but that's just about it. I'm averaging somewhere around -11 to -15 total in LR and around -5 in Reading

Any suggestions? I'm wondering how much I should expect to be improving with each test. My goal is for a 172/173 but if I'm in the low 160s now with a high score of 169 (untimed though) I'm worried that between now and the June test I won't be able to reach my goal. So far I have done 6 timed PTs besides my diagnostic and 1 untimed. My Blind Review is in the high 170s.

Any input is appreciated.

I need to know where can I find the circle games and the pattern games?

Trying to be prepared for the curveballs that the LSAT may through at me!

Is anyone thinking about retaking the LSAT in June before matriculation to law school for a possible increase in scholarship/ stipend?

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I just wanted to put this out there for anyone who might have done/is doing what I just did in my study process. Just to give a small preface, I'm generally a pretty impatient person and I also set extremely high standards for myself. Sound familiar?

That being said when I started 7Sage I was so eager to get through it and start cranking out PTs to see how I was performing, sure that as soon as I knew some of the material that would somehow manifest in immediate and remarkable improvement. Needless to say I quickly saw the huge flaw in making that kind of mistake. Even though I initially did see improvement from my diagnostic (152), after about the 6th PT of getting the same score (160, 159, 161, etc), I realized I must be doing something wrong. What I did wrong was that I rushed through a lot of the Core Curriculum. Because many of the concepts made sense to me I didn't see it as necessary that I really spend time drilling them into my brain to make them second nature. The impatience got the best of me. I now realize there is a reason to spend your sweet ass time on the curriculum - it actually makes you better at this test. Who woulda thought?!

I know this all seems logical and for many of you perhaps it would seem ridiculous I would do that, but I figure that if I did it there are probably others who have or who are doing it as well, and keeping themselves from a true opportunity for growth simply because of a lack of patience. I stopped taking PTs because I saw it as pointless to waste precious tests if I wasn't getting out of them what I should, and went back to the CC. I started to review lessons I skimmed over and really did the drills in full. Instead of just answering the questions (kind of doing BR but not really), checking my answers and then moving on, I began to do the questions, BR them, then watch the videos - and this is important - EVEN if I got the answers right. There is so much in these videos that helps in solidifying being able to recognize the patterns of this test that anyone who has invested in this program would be doing a huge disservice to themselves to not take advantage of. Before I only watched the videos, if I did at all, for the questions I got wrong. I missed a great opportunity in doing that to learn so much valuable information that can be gained from different question types.

Again I'm putting this out there because even though I it's embarrassing to admit not doing something the way it's meant to be done and thereby making the mistake I made, it's something that I'm sure plagues many eager students who want to see quick and big results. All I can say is go to a yoga class, take a few deep breaths and say Goose Fraba - it'll all be okay. Learn as much as you can, soak in the CC, then march into those PTs and start getting the scores that are more reflective of your potential. The only reason you would not be scoring where you'd like is because somewhere along the line you cut corners (or at least that's what I think).

Hope this helps someone out there struggling with the same issues I have been struggling with.

@blah170blah Forced me to create a Myers-Brigg thread (at knife point no less...). What's yours? Share please!

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Just went over to Cambridge LSAT to check on the exact composition of their bundles and looks like all the official LSAT pdf's, including the bundles are gone.

It's a sad, sad, day.

Cambridge just stopped making the PDFs of all the Practice Tests available a few weeks ago. I was going to send a friend the link because that's where I got a lot of mine, but couldn't find it anywhere on their site. I called them up and the guy confirmed they discontinued selling them because LSAC is cracking down. Would be nice if LSAC would make these available through their website at the very least... I feel bad for all of those who missed the boat on this one.

That being said, does anyone know of other companies that are still able to sell PDF downloads of the tests? I think people would find it helpful to see an updated list since it seems this kind of thing is changing rapidly. I know there are some books out there besides the 10 Actuals and Superprep that have some of the PTs not covered but the one's I have found are very expensive.

Hey Everyone,

What is the usual effect of taking a brief gap in studying? I've been planning since mid-December to take the June LSAT, re-did the curriculum and over the span of 15 PTs I brought my average from low 160s to 166-168 with a few low 170s mixed in. I have a job and I'm finishing undergrad in May, so work is piling on right now.

Really want to avoid the burnout that comes trying to take on too much all at once.

My last 2 PTs have dipped to 165, 165, my lowest in like 8 or so PTs. I'm entering the mid-high 50s in PTs so I know it's starting to become crunch time.

My plan is to take the next week off from LSAT and finish up my papers/classwork obligations so I can just hand those in and get back to full LSAT dedication. Will this week gap be detrimental to my progress or have people found success with this before?

Thanks!