I understand that everybody moves at their own pace and that everyone's goals are different but does anyone know how long the course is supposed to take you to get through? I've started 2 weeks ago and I'm almost 55% through the material as it is but I'm very concerned with not retaining the material by rushing through to try to get to take tests. I've studied a little bit with other methods before I found 7sage but I'm just curious how long it took other people to go through the material before they start really taking prep tests. I took 2 tests before I found 7sage, the highest was 162, and I plan on taking at least 30 before December because I understand that taking tests and BR are really where you see your big gains. Any help in this area would be greatly appreciated and good luck to everyone studying!

Hello Everyone. I plan on taking the October LSAT but I do not feel confident at all. I am also taking the December LSAT as a backup option. I read so many articles about both of these exams and when people are applying. For those who plan on going to Law School Fall 2016, which LSAT are you taking? Do you feel as though there is a harder deadline to meet for the December exam?

Hey everyone,

If you're anything like I was, when you're studying and you get frustrated, you might ask yourself... What's the point of this stupid test anyways?

Well.. being in my second week of 1L right now, I feel compelled to come back to these forums and tell you. Please keep in mind as you read this, these are just my opinions, I am sure there are others.

1. Reading Comprehension:

There are two key reasons why RC is so important. First, I am only in my second week and I have probably read about 500+ pages of mandatory readings, and much more supplementary readings to try and get a better understanding of some concepts. So, the point is if you want any chance of keeping up with the work load, you must be able to read AND retain at least somewhat quickly. Second, most of my readings have been cases that involve reading what some judge (or more) had to say about a case. This includes:

What they see the issue as (legal issue)

What they think should be the resolution

Why and how they came to this resolution

You are essentially reading a judges thoughts splattered on a page. It is up to you to sift through it to find the important stuff. Sometimes judges write clear and its not so difficult to follow. However, they are experts in a complex industry, which means their vocabulary can be intense at times (especially when you don't have a good grasp on this new language or what the lingo is)

2. Logical Reasoning

I want to move to LR now because it overlaps with what I was going to say with the rest of RC. Like I was saying you are reading these dense complex passages. Why do you need LR?... because the entire point of you reading these cases and judgments is to figure out what the main point is (ratio decidendi). But, it doesn't stop there... you also need the premises the judge made to get to that conclusion! And the rest is just filler or side notes or some random babbling that might interesting to read but doesn't really matter to what you need for class.

So now you've read (quickly)... got the main point.. got the judges reasoning... you're all set right? --- NO!

Now you are going to go to class and have a professor ask you a ton of questions. Sometimes they might ask you to just simply state something that has happened or was said. But, other times they might ask your opinion. Well how can you give that if you aren't ARMED with LSAT skills? By identifying what flaws may have been made or why an argument was strong or weak, you are now capable of telling the prof what your opinion is.

See.. it all kind of starts to make sense? Sort of?...

3. Logic Games.

Unfortunately I have nothing for these. I guess they are just some section they included to add an element of "fun" to the test. I don't know.

Key point is, YES there is absolutely some overarching goal of the LSAT! I don't know if I believe that a higher score necessarily means better student (obviously higher score might correlate to more work which might mean stronger student). But, I can definitely say that there is a reason the LSAT is important beyond being a measure of determining who should be accepted at a school. It prepares you for the workload (at least in some sense) that you will be faced with if you are accepted! You will need to put in the hours, just like the LSAT... from Day 1! You will need to read long boring passages and see what a judge is thinking, why they are thinking, and what the heck the point is of even reading what they think!

Look at the LSAT as preliminary training for what you about to embark on! Because as a "fresh" 1L student, I can say it definitely doesn't get easier! It's all part of the plan! So train hard, worry less, and good luck all!

Hi All,

As October 3rd approaches, I've been pondering my fate quite a bit (this will be my second crack at the LSAT since taking it for the first time in 2013).

One of my "values" or "goals" in life is to be relatively location independent. One of the reasons is because my partner is a scientist and has slimmer job prospects throughout the world compared to me [in my current profession in allied health].

So, seemingly just in time to make me even more confused, I came across an article that advertised Legal Nomads (.com), which is basically the story of a young lady lawyering in NYC and then quitting the gig to travel the world.

My question is - have you ever heard of ANYONE having relative flexibility to continue working in the legal field while marrying their love of travel (okay, and/or frequent relocation)?

My current goal is to pursue a law degree with a healthcare certificate, as that's my background, and I feel strongly as both a clinician and director in my field that I have the chops to make some changes in the increasingly complicated field.

That being said, International Law sounds super sexy and may be more aligned with my dream of traveling/relocating, but I have no poli sci background. Maybe there's a way to fuse Healthcare Law with a sprinkle of International Law to broaden my employability across regions and nations?

(I'll leave the dream of being an entrepreneur for a later date)

i did pt-72 recently and got one of my worst RC scores in recent pts at -9.

Did anyone who usually does 170+ in modern PTs find that they slipped well below their average on this PT? How many you missed in different sections and rc passages of this PT?

i thought the LG (game-4) and RC of this one were very difficult. i was planning to decide whether to take October or not based on this PT performance. but i am now not sure if this PT is representative of recent tests in general.

I've been working on it for months. It's already been edited. It's an "overcoming adversity statement" which I really did not want to do in the beginning but whatevs. Two people have shredded it due to wanting to skirt around a disability I have.... One of them has "edited" out most of the statements that state the disability... So it is no longer an over coming anything statement....I rescue odd critters who are sick and no one wants then get them healthy and give them a forever home.... I am super passionate about it and it is a big part of my "personality"..... Ideas? encouragement? screaming rants at me for letting anyone look at the paper after it had been professionally edited? Did I mention the application is due Oct 1st and I'm taking the LSAT on the 3rd.... BTW Only 1 of the two people is even slightly qualified to give any advice.

~Frustrated in Texas

Just discovered 7sage after spending appx 2k on a prep course and Powerscore books. I have been prepping on and off since January-May and almost every day from June-now and have only managed to increase about 10pts (which fluctuates). I am taking the October test & I have zero motivation left. I actually want to get the test out of the way because I feel like I have reached my limit and cannot improve. This is sad to say since going into prepping, I was so motivated to get to my ideal score.

That being said, has anyone gone through this situation? I don't really know anyone taking the LSAT, that is why I am so happy to have found 7sage, even though I did so too late.

Jon did an excellent job. But he is too smart that after he read the stimulus, he can always find a right way to stab the question right into the heart. I could not follow him. I feel more comfortable with JY's explaination. He lower this level to a mundane moron and explain from a moron's perspective. LOL.

Hi everyone,

As gameday nears I'm trying to hone in on what gives me problems and according to my analytics Grouping Games are my worst LGs. Does anyone happen to have a resource that organizes games by type? Or perhaps knows some god awful grouping games off the top of their heads?

*cue everyone typing DINOSAURS*

Thanks!

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Oh the irony.

I've been studying for the LSAT all summer and this month began taking practice tests. I was planning on PTing till I take the exam in December. Anyways, I received my first summons for jury duty in the middle of October and now I'm worried. I don't know if I'm overreacting but the LSAT is obviously a top priority for me right now and I'm worried this may possibly interfere with my strict study schedule. So what do you guys think? Should I go and hope to be dismissed? Or should I try to mail in a request to postpone the date? Would they even accept the fact that I'm studying for the LSAT as an excuse?

Thanks!

Quick Question: After I watch the video for the game why keep doing it? Is it not just memorization, not actual learning?

I really struggle with these types, analyticals told me so and I knew it to be true, the art passages are the worse, they tend to be full of alot of fluff words that I don't know the meaning of, I look them up so it has improved somewhat, but I don't know where I could find more passages written like this. For instance, I initially struggled with science passages but then started reading physics articles and peer reviewed physics articles and watching physics videos on stuff like dark matter so now I am fairly ok with them. I was wondering what would be the equivalent for art/literature type passages. Think like the Cameron art passage or the dostoyevsky type literature passage. Where are these articles drawn from and where can I read more of them so I can become more familiar with these types of concepts.

Hello all,

I have been consistently scoring well on PT's in the 60's, but I've experienced a drop off on PT's 70-75 on reading comprehension and logic games. On those two sections, what exactly is the test doing differently? Has anyone noticed any patterns or tricky behavior by the test makers? I can't quite put my finger on it, but they seem tougher.

I've posted a couple desperate discussions, but this one is more lighthearted. I'm mostly just curious (haven't even started applying yet).

My research indicates a brawl between these two schools that goes beyond the athletic/regional rivalry. Some articles say BU is better (as per the rankings), but ATL seems to rank BC higher. Plenty of discussion boards to this point go back and forth with reasons for one or the other.

Wondering if any sagers have an opinion. #34 BC Law or #26 BU Law?? Let it ride.

Take a 14 minute break from studying to watch this video. Made me consider becoming a public defender myself ;(

Has anyone received communication from "180 Watch" in the past two weeks?

I ordered a watch in May to take the June 2015 test, and as luck would have it, I'm taking the October 2015 test :)

Despite taking extra care of it (I kept it in the bubble wrap inside the package it came in at all times except when I took a PT), it malfunctioned in July. After contacting Matthew Thomas, I sent it back to him, and he said he would send the replacement quickly. He received it on August 24th at the latest. It is now September 15th, almost a month later. I've tried contacting him in the past few days, but have not received a response. I don't know if they are ignoring me because they ran out of watches (since the test is coming up soon). Either way, it is not okay. At least send me my malfunctioned watch back so I can get it fixed elsewhere!

Is anyone experiencing the same? Also, does anyone have a number for them?

I'd implore you guys to be extra careful with your 180 watches (although I can't imagine being more careful than I was). If it breaks, you're probably out of luck!!

Was wondering f anyone would be kind enough to PM me!

Admin note: Removed email. Please don't post emails publicly.

I love the feature of the discussion boards which highlight the threads I haven't read yet and turn grey the ones I have. Some how my "Mark all read" feature is stuck and they are all grey. I keep clicking on it but nothing changes. How can I fix this??

Thanks!

Does anyone know where I can buy these PTs (preferably cheap)? I can't find them on amazon, ebay, nor LSAC.... If anyone has unmarked copies they wanna sell, message me privately please.

Thanks fellas.

Hi all,

I can't resist reaching out to you all for some advice, as it's been so quality in the past!

I've finished both the course and LSAT trainer and I'm now two PTs in (not much, I know), and wondering if I should suspend PTs and do some drilling. Or just keep doing PTs with quality BR?

I really memorized as much as I could during the core course, and took my time to internalize the concepts before moving on.

I will take the Dec test.

First PT: RC 19/26, LG 19/23, 1st LR 21/26, 2nd LR 24/26

Second PT: RC 25/26, LG 14/24,1st LR 19/26, 2nd LR 23/25

On the second PT I messed up some rules on LGs and knew I was doing terribly, ended up panicking a bit and I only got to 3 of the 4 games. But my main concern is the variety of problem sections here... after my first test I thought RC was my worst section, now it looks like LG. LR looks much more consistent across the two tests. How can I tell what I need to work on the most?

Any advice for how to proceed? I need high 160s and would be thrilled with anything past 170. I'm BRing around 178, so I given enough time I get what is going on in all sections.

I only got through about half the LG bundle before PTs, and I know it is the least intuitive section for me. So I plan to work through the bundle, but not sure if I should suspend PTs in the meantime. I would like to do 20-30 PTs before the Dec test, but obviously only if that is the most beneficial strategy here.

Thanks for any advice! Good luck to everyone.

hello all.

I am consistently finding myself struggling with parallel/parallel flaw questions. My initial move was to just go slower on them. But that only helped marginally.

I'm going to buy a grouping set of them from Manhattan. But do you all have any tips/suggestions for them?

has anyone replaced the battery of their 180watch?

the one I have that was unused for a lontime stopped working probable due to dead battery, and I can't see how to open the back cover for battery replacement.

Anyone else feel like when it clicks, it keeps clicking? I always told myself how randomly I would score on sections, but I am realizing it was because I didn't really have a deep, clear knowledge of the games + LR sets...

Then I went from maybe -7 on LR... to -2/-3.. thought it was a fluke.. then have consistently scored -2/-3 for the last 5 LR sections I have taken... and the same for LG... -1/-2 total out of a whole section... 10 months ago, I used to get 2 games out of 4, and hover around -10 on LR sections...

I am interested to know have people experienced like a point in time where one PT they are all of a sudden scoring at a way higher range, and consistently after? How do you know it's not a fluke! How do I sustain it, keep improving till October LSAT?

Does anybody know where I might find a list of question #s/PTs that are strictly of the "flaw" type?