Hey, leave a comment if you're not an American citizen and are prepping for admission to law school in the US. Would appreciate insights into how your processes have been.

Hey everyone - for the next 2 months I will be focusing on drilling questions and PTs. I've read in some forums that taking individual timed sections may be better than taking full PTs. What has been most effective for you in increasing your scores? Thank you and good luck!

Proctors: Very helpful and friendly

Facilities: Hard to locate but proctors will guide you.

What kind of room: Court room. Seating was uncomfortable

How many in the room: Less than 30

Desks: A lot of desk space available during the test

Left-handed accommodation: Very good.

Noise levels: Door to the room was squeaky

Parking: Very accessible. Free parking on Saturdays

Time elapsed from arrival to test: Total test time took 6 hours

Irregularities or mishaps: N/A

Other comments: I wrote here twice and I recommend it

Would you take the test here again? Yes. Hopefully don't have to re-write though.

Date[s] of Exam[s]: October 3, 2015 and December 5, 2015.

Hi!

My friend who went to Yonsei UIC and I are starting an online LSAT study group. He has an official score of 176 and my score fluctuates from 166-172. I am not sure if this means anything but I have a degree from Johns Hopkins.

We meet at 7 pm-9 pm Korean Standard Time on Wednesday.

I have a Zoom Pro, so we can meet without interruption.

If you are interested, please send me a DM and I will invite you to the KakaoTalk group chat!

Thanks! (:

Hey everyone, so since my fall semester just came to a close, I am about to start serious LSAT study again. I am pretty stressed about it all though, because for about a year and a half I’ve been studying the CC and full proofing LG. I have gotten to the point where I’m pretty comfortable with LG, but it has been so long since I’ve done any LR or RC. I am just concerned that all of the studying I did previous to fool proofing has been for nothing, since I didn’t keep up with it very well while I was fool proofing. I wanted to start taking PTs over the winter break, but I’m unsure if I’m ready since I haven’t done much LR training while I was foolproofing. So I guess my question is, how important is consistency if I’ve already studied for so long? Should I go ahead and begin practice testing, or should I redo all of the CC on LR and RC, which initially took me about 6 months?

Trying to clear up my mind before the big day :)

1. Conclusion (most accurately expresses the conclusion)

- Usual structure: contextual + HOWEVER, point + supporting premises

- In this case, it helps to paraphrase the sentence following 'however' (turning point)

ex) Some farmers reported that pesticide A was not effective to kill B. However, they are mistaken. The method they used to measure the effectiveness was completely wrong blah blah

- Answer: Some farmers are mistaken with the effectiveness of the pesticide A.

2. MBT

- It has to be TRUE. so, when the answer choices contain a somewhat extreme word such as 'All', 'any', 'never', 'impossible'

it's helpful to check them. They might be too broad or too specific or too dramatic.

- Sometimes you just need to diagram with all the conditionals and find the one matches with that conditionals. In this case, valid arguments courses are just great. Focus on the relationship with 'All','any','Every' and 'most', 'some', 'few'.

- And mind the direction of the conditional arrows! Sometimes answers with reversed arrows seem so tempting.

3. MBF

- It has to be FALSE. so usually I think this type of question has quite complex conditionals and the answer is just lying in somewhere between these complex arrows. Usually I think the wrong answers have either different scope or reversed directions. So in this case, we don't know if this will be true or not.(CBT/CBF).

- But the right answer(MBF) will negate one of the arrows outright.

ex) All the farmers in the western village have both cows and cats.

- Answer: Jake, a farmer in the western village, doesn't have cows. (something like that...)

4. FLAW

- There are too many flaw questions. (duh...)

- The answer choices describe what the argument did (something wrong)/didn't (do something he/she supposed to do to make a valid argument)

- It really helps if we can see the flaw before we move on to the answer choices.

- I think "Correlations->Causation" and "Sufficient->Necessary(or the other way around)" are the two popular types.

- And I also saw many "source attack", "pretending it is the only way and there is no other way", "I only see what I want to see(only mentions about the benefits or negatives", "unrepresentative sample", "It's either A or /A (no middle ground)", "from capability or probability to definiteness (she is capable of doing it so she will do it)" etc.

- When the answer choices describe something in categorical terms with lots of referential talks, it is always helpful to match each phrases with the ones in the argument.

Not sure if this would be helpful but...

I guess so far this is what I've learned and felt. It would be great if you guys can share some more! :)

I want to re-do all of the Logical Reasoning Problem sets from the curriculum. I believe that much like Logic Games, Re-doing these problem sets can benefit me from a skills standpoint in identifying either why the correct answer is correct and/or why the 4 other answer choices are incorrect for each question type. As I do this, I will take notes of any and all trends I discover that will help me attack each question type quickly and accurately. I am wondering if anyone is also doing this and if so how do you schedule this review in your study schedule? As of now I am considering adapting Pacifico's Logic Games Attack strategy. Link provided below.

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/2737/logic-games-attack-strategy/p1

Hi everyone,

I wonder if anyone has experienced the loading errors after launching LSAT Writing in PSI secure browser. I've tried for two weeks and yet not been able to even take the ID photo. I've also tried to reset my computer and the eligibility but it remains the same.

Most unfortunately, I couldn't get in touch with the 24/7 technical support line from China. And the LASC representatives only operate during normal business hour in ET. :( Even if they do, I have to wait up to 20min to get through. The email gets no reply either. I literally has sought all possible means /sad/tired/frustrated. Since I urgently need the April score, any of your advice/experiences would be appreciated. Thank you!!

Am I the only one who would totally pay for this? LG has always been my favorite section because I love logic puzzles (even on the days they don't love me.) And since LSAC is looking to change this section of the test, I would like these puzzles to do in my spare time. Especially since if I manage to get my goal score on the first try, I may never get to see some of the infamous games I haven't had a chance to try yet.

Hey guys! I’ll be taking the LSAT for the first time in January of 2021. I have been studying like crazy, and plan to study everyday for a few hours at least until that day. Unfortunately, I am unable to afford any formal LSAT tutoring, so I have been using Kahn Academy, one LSAT prep book, and basically any YouTube videos and methods I can get my hands on. I was wondering if you guys had any other study tools that I could utilize. I’m currently scoring around 160 on practice tests, but would like to get that up. Thank you!

Proctors:

Friendly, but didn't give 5 minute warning

Facilities:

Fine

What kind of room:

Small Classroom

How many in the room:

20 something

Desks:

small individual desks with attached chairs

Left-handed accommodation:

N/A

Noise levels:

Fairly quiet

Parking:

N/A

Time elapsed from arrival to test:

A little over half an hour

Other Comments:

I was placed in one room and after I got settled I was moved to another

Would you take the test here again?

Only if I knew I'd have better desks

Date of Exam: 06/8/2015

I was wondering if being an international applicant helps? I see that being URM helps a lot, but what about internationals?

I am the vice president of my school's mock trial team. We are hosting a mock trial competition on Jan 13th and 14th at the Kline School of Law. We are still in need of judges for Rounds 3 and 4. Rounds 3 and 4 will run according to the following schedule:

Round 3: Sunday, January 14th, 9:00 am - 12:30 pm

Round 4: Sunday, January 14th, 2:00 pm - 5:30 pm

If you are a former mock trialer/AMTA competitor and able to judge feel free to reach out or sign up using the sign up form below.

https://forms.gle/uFPfzcmiNTceJrv28

Feel free to DM/comment for questions

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Anyone want to blind review or want to study together that is from Westchester or NYC?

I've listened to J.Y.'s excellent podcasts with high-scoring 7Sagers. I've been amazed by the amount of dedication all of these 7Sagers interviewed have shown, and I greatly admire the fact that some of them studied for this test over a period of 1-2 years or more. I think the perseverance all these people have shown is incredible.

In Episode 1, Josh (Can't Get Right) improved from a 152 diagnostic to a 176, taking the test 4 times with his scores being 163, 162, 170, and 176. This process took 2 years and some months.

In Episode 38, Sami went from a 152 to a 173, taking the test 7 times. Sami studied over a period of 3 years.

In Episode 39, Rochisha improved from a 164 to a 174, also taking the test 4 times. Rochisha studied for 2 years.

I myself have been at this test for quite some time now. In total, I have studied for this test for over a year now. I scored a 169 and I'm aiming for a score in the mid-170s to high-170s. I've been BR-ing consistently in the low-170s and mid-170s. LG is still my weakest section, though I have work to do in all 3 sections.

Given that I am not a North American test taker, there are fewer tests available to me and more time between each test. I wasn't fully focusing on the test the whole time. Some weeks I've gotten to study 30-something hours, most weeks at least 15-20 hours, and some other weeks no studying at all.

I was planning on applying this year, but I am considering waiting another year to apply while I continue to work and try to retake my test for a higher score. Given my personal timeline, if I were to retake the test, I would have to wait to apply in the fall of 2022 instead. My plan would just be to study part-time while I work since I'm already at a very high level in terms of my knowledge.

I love studying for this test and I have learned so much. I feel like I continue to learn a lot from it every single day. Just in terms of enjoyment and growth, I wouldn't mind spending even more time on this test. I'm very proud of the work I've put in and where I've scored, but I definitely feel like I could do even better and hit my target. For me, it feels like it's just execution that's missing, that I need to work on.

But another part of me also wonders if this is too much time to spend on a test. I wonder if I've been too focused on this one thing for too long now, and whether it would be a good idea to just apply to law school now and see where I get in, even though my current score-GPA combination is likely not good enough for my top choice schools.

For those of you who have studied for a longer period of time (i.e., at least 1 year, if not more), perhaps retaking the test a few times, how long have you studied for? How long do you plan on studying for? What were your reasons for studying for such a long time? Do you find this investment of time and energy worthwhile?

If you studied for the test for more than a year, how did you maintain a healthy relationship with this test? As J.Y. said in one podcast, a lot of high-scorers are very meticulous and even obsessive about this test. I find that I am like this too. But I also know that a healthy balance is important. How did you deal with the mental part of it all? How do you get back up after not getting the score you wanted 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6... times?

I also know that, from an outside perspective, it can seem extreme to friends and family who do not have a great understanding of this test and the law school admissions process that someone is studying for a standardised test for such a long time. It might seem quite over the top to them, especially if they don't understand the difference that just a few points on this test can make. How did you explain your time commitment to friends and family? How did you manage this part of the equation?

Does anyone have any LSAC forum experiences to share? did anyone get any positive or negative experiences out of it?

& the subsequent drinks social hour at the bar with fellow 7sage LSAT members?

I really appreciate the open bar since I am unsure if I can afford drinks in nyc ($21 for a drink? that is a week+half groceries). The drink the bartender gave me was bitter and made me want to throw up a bit but drank it down like medicine. After wards walking to Times Square I saw the lights and people while some people were imitating me as if I was wobbling (even though I was sure I was not).

I plan to add my experience below within a day or two:

Hi, so in the past two PT's, I've scored 173 and 174 respectively (175 and 179 BR respectively as well). I am wondering what people in this range do to maintain and improve from this point on. Do you continue with drilling sections and reviewing wrong answers? I find that I am spending less time than I used to on studying, and I am wondering if that's a natural result of getting more correct and understanding the test better. Would love any advice from 7Sagers who have been in this situation. Thank you!

Hi new here to 7sage, I am taking the Jan test and am currently starting the cc for logic games, in regards to the videos is there anyone who is willing to share their personal notes from the videos so i can compare and make sure i am not missing anything important? i have extreme adhd so i tend to overlook or get distracted on important notes. i would perfer, and am currently looking for logic games video notes, however so willing to accept anything (333(/p)

Proctors: All the proctors were really nice and courteous. The only issue we had in our room was that a lady miscounted the people in the room... twice!! We had to sit there an extra ten minutes for them to figure out what the heck what going on.

Facilities: The building is beautiful (restrooms and testing rooms). Nothing to complain about here.

What kind of room: Law Classrooms

How many in the room: I don't remember the exact number, but it was in the range of about 20 - 30.

Desks: The desks were in good condition and pretty sturdy. They are the standard long desks a few people share as they face toward the front.

Left-handed accommodation: N/A

Noise levels: Other than the other people sitting around you? Nothing out of the ordinary... except I had a guy blowing his nose every 5 min...

Parking: Parking is a breeze. It's right next to the building. I'm actually not sure if I had to pay for parking, but I did it anyway. It was $5, the last thing I wanted to worry about that day was whether I had to pay for parking.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: About 30 min.

Irregularities or mishaps: I briefly mentioned this part above.

Other comments: Nope.

Would you take the test here again? Sure!

Date[s] of Exam[s]: Dec. 7th 2015

#HELP

BR RC -11 LR -10 LG -5

PT RC -18 LR -15 LG -11

Under timed condition, I miss more than 5 questions than BR. I lost concentration during PT and did not remember what I just read. I have a LSAT in October and only two weeks left. I'd like to minimize the gap between the BR and PT.

I work full-time so my maximum study time is 5 hours per day.

Should I take 2 Prep tests per day under timed condition? or Should I take 25questions drills under timed condition?

Please advise me :(

I just stumbled on the news.

"Due to the COVID-19 emergency, LSAC has made the difficult decision to cancel the March LSAT. Candidates will be rescheduled for the next LSAT and be offered additional scheduling options should interactions continue to be limited. "

Hello everyone, how is the writing portion for the LSAT flex administered?

do we have a time to do the writing portion?

thanks in advance

Proctors: 5 proctors total, with 2 in the back watching. Overall very good. Stuck to the time well, gave clear instructions, announced 5 minute warnings. Only drawback was the proctor who passed out the test forms excruciatingly slowly.

Facilities: Facilities are comfortable. Bathroom wasn't too far away, chairs are comfortable, rooms are well-lit. Bring a watch though, it's hard to see the clock from certain areas of the room.

What kind of room: Medium sized rooms divided into three sections (left, right, middle) that all face towards the front and center.

How many in the room: ~50 in my room. There weren't many people, and it was very spacious. They staggered seating so that you have empty seats on either side.

Desks: My favorite part! LOTS of room for you. They don't have individual desks, they have one long desk for an entire row. Plus, no people on either side of you so you can fan out all of your items to your heart's content.

Left-handed accommodation: Doesn't apply, the desks are for both right and left handed folk.

Noise levels: The only noise came from the other test takers (flipping paper, coughing, sneezing, yawning). But since there weren't too many people, the noise was minimal. The area itself is secluded enough that you won't hear urban noises from the classroom.

Parking: I'm not sure exactly how large the parking lot is since I personally took a cab, but AU provides parking for test takers.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: They start checking you in and putting you into rooms when you arrive. So if you arrive earlier, you will start earlier and vice versa. I would say ~20-30 minutes.

Irregularities or mishaps: None.

Would you take the test here again?: YES! This is a great test center, with ample room, good temp, no noise, and competent proctors. What more can you ask for? (Other than an easy exam, of course)

Date[s] of Exam[s]: December '15

Hi everyone!

I am going to be taking the LSAT-Flex for the first time in June, and am hoping to only have to write it this one time. Accordingly, I have been trying to do as much studying and reviewing as possible between now and then. My average score has been fluctuating quite a bit, ranging from 160 - 170.

I recently completed PrepTest 87 (June 2019) and finished with a score of 164. However, I am having difficult understanding some of the questions I got wrong. I have listened to some explanation videos, but am failing to see why the multiple choice answer I chose is not "more right" than the correct answer.

If anyone could explain any of the following questions, I would really appreciate it (specifically, why the answer I chose is incorrect).

S1 - RC: #3, 11, 13, 14, 24.

S2 - LR: 14, 17, 18, 19, 24, 26.

Thank you!