Is there a difference between MP and MC questions? To my understanding, MP applies to arguments. Are you supposed to approach them differently ?

Thank you in advance :)

If anyone feels dejected by their current slow pace at LG, I am here to tell you it will get better. Below, I share how I went from -8 to -0 in three months on my LG section, which will hopefully inspire/help you out.

The Beginning: Before I get into the specifics, I think it's important to address the mental shift I went through a couple weeks after my diagnostic. After missing 8 questions on my first PT, I thought that correctly answering 23 questions in 35 minutes was simply impossible. But then I showed the problems to my partner, and he whizzed through the games. I was gob smacked, impressed, and proud! I was also, admittedly, insecure about my own lack of skill.

My first mistake was comparing my weakness to someone else's strength. In the back of my head, I thought things like "How will I ever do well in law school if these dumb puzzles are giving me so much grief?" The LSAT made me feel like I lacked this shiny quality of intelligence that someone could only be born with. Studying felt like a waste of time. Every missed question felt like a thorn in my foot. So, for a couple of weeks, I danced around the topics I was worst at, focusing on areas of less priority. Obviously, this method wasn't yielding any results, and I felt frustrated with my lack of progress.

But then I read a post on Reddit that changed my entire approach. It said that improving your score requires ignoring your sense of pride and/or shame. I cannot overemphasize how important it was to hear someone telling me to get my head out of my ass. If you're in the same place of insecurity that I was, I'm here to tell you to snap the heck out of it. You. Can. Do. It. The LSAT is a SKILL that can be sharpened, not a measure of innate talent or intelligence that some people either have or don't have. Do. Not. Give. Up. Improvement took me three months, but there is no shame in it taking longer than that! The LSAT isn't going anywhere. Quit taking it personally. Buckle down and focus on what you're bad at.

Here's how I did it:

April - May: After realizing that I was being silly, I bought the Logic Games Powerscore Bible, which was helpful, but not perfect. It definitely familiarized me with all the different types of games and provided a LOT of drills and explanations that improved my accuracy, but I was NOT fast enough. If I were recommending it to someone, I would say that it was probably a good place to start. However, I probably gained the most improvement from listening to multiple test-prep sites explain games in different ways and picking the methods that worked best for me. After about four weeks of going through PowerScore and using a lot of its drills, I took another practice test and got -4 because I ran out of time and had to guess on a handful.

June: I had to take a break from studying for a few weeks for personal reasons, but I came back around June 20th.

Late June - July: When I took my first PT after returning, I was SOO rusty. After a few days of doing more LG drills from Powerscore again, though, I noticed my skills returning to their previous level. However, I was consistently still running out of time on the LG section. So, I drilled at least 2 hours a day for a week using Khan Academy because I thought maybe a different platform would be beneficial, but it didn't seem to be helping too much. I was STILL averaging -3/-4 on each LG section.

July: That's when I sought out 7sage. I felt like I needed a COMPLETELY different approach to the LG than what the Powerscore Bible had given me. If you also used that book, you'll know it told you to write down Not Laws when possible. Because I had gotten 15/23 on my diagnostic test, I assumed that I had to follow the Powerscore Bible religiously (pun intended) and hadn't even considered deviating from its instructions.

However, I feel like writing Not Laws slowed me down considerably. For some reason, JY giving me permission in one of the first LG videos to NOT write the Not Laws was exactly what I needed. After a week on 7Sage and giving up on my Not Law notations, I've noticed serious speed improvement and achieved my first perfect LG section yesterday!!

Final takeaways? As you can see, progress isn't always linear or predictable. Try multiple platforms and see what explanations work best for you, combining them if you want. Be kind to yourself at the beginning. You're learning a new skill, not testing an innate quality. And lastly, practice practice practice. Don't shy away from the difficult stuff if you want to actually improve.

Hey everyone! I was hoping to form a small group of 175+ scorers to have weekly zoom study sessions leading up to the September test. Please message me if interested!

I have been using 7sage for over a year now and ive barely taken practice tests.

Im having trouble concentrating after the first section.

Is there any way to improve or lengthen the amount of time I can study for?

I have about a month left and im not even sure how much ive improved since I cant finish a practice test.

I have to do a lot of catching up lol, I'm thinking the best way to study would be if other people study WITH me. Live Discord/Zoom sessions could be pretty awesome! If you're interested, here's the server: https://discord.gg/tK2P6sRd

To those who weren't good at RC in the beginning and got significantly better through practice,

I would appreciate if you could give me some advice!

Taking the Jan 2023 LSAT, and in the process of registering for the exam. Has anyone gotten accommodations with getting a paper copy of the exam? If so, how do you go about getting such accommodation? Thanks!

I'm having so much difficulty with these types of problems (which argument is most similar to the structure of the paragraph), does anyone have any advice for these?

I've taken a few practice tests in the 70s, a few 80s, and some 60s. I don't have that much time left till september and obviously there are way more practice tests than I can do in time for the test (I'm studying while working full-time). Anyone know how I can figure out which PTs I should make sure I take before the test? I'm saving all the 90s for the month of August. Thank you!

Hello,

I am taking the test in August, and I am trying to get my scoring to be more consistent. My goal is a 172. Here are the results from my last 4 tests:

PT 63:

LR -1

LG -3

RC -3

PT 64:

LR -1

LG -0

RC -2

PT 65:

LR -4

LG -1

RC -4

PT 66

LR -1

LG -2

RC -4

My current plan is to take two full PTs a week and take one day a week to take a PT section by section spaced out. Does that seem like enough? Any tips for consistency? I feel like I can never do well in every section.

I asked before with some help with LGs and now have perfected those! Now I am onto conquering RCs, and LRs. LR is where I think I can make some decent improvement.

Overall on my PTs I can get 163-166.

RC ranges from -4 to -7. That I am seeing a little improvement here and there.

LR can range from -4 to -7 as well.

LR I feel like I've been on a struggle bus. I work full time, so I do one PT a week, BR, and then try to review it. I also have tried to add some drilling of LRs I feel weak in. (Particularly NAs, PSAs, sometimes MSS).

One thing I have noticed is sometimes I make mistakes from reading a question stem, ac, or stimulus, and miss a VITAL Word! so sometimes I make dumb mistakes here and there....ugh

I am finding with my wrong journal-ling/BR, I know the question stems pretty well and what to do. I often just fall for traps answers as well. In particular the last 5 questions of the section usually beat me up.

I kinda also feel like drilling has made me worse?

Anyways, any advice or tips would be helpful! Is it dumb to drop LR drilling, and just review my wrong journal?

Any tips of how to review wrong journal better?

So, I'm having a bit of trouble with MBT MSS questions.

I take way too much time just comprehending the passages.

Does anyone have any tips on this?

JY often "plays" with the rules in a LG before he does the questions. Do you all recommend doing this even on timed tests? If so, do you do so in your mind's eye, or actually on paper?

I usually play with the rules in difficult games when I'm doing BR, but not on the timed tests. I'm thinking about whether I should change this practice.

Hi everyone!

I am looking for study buddies/group in Toronto, Canada to either have weekly online meetings or even in person (if the distance between the participants allows). I am currently working my way through the CC and am almost done with LR part. The purpose of this group would be to discuss concepts/strategies, logic through the harder questions and build good habits :)

NOTE: I work part time so my availability is pretty open. I would prefer to choose one day and commit to it so we all build the habit of doing a collaborative review.

Pt10 S1 Q19.

I keep getting this one wrong on blind review...

I've been studying for almost 10 months now, and still scoring low in LR (not much different in RC...)

in the beginning I used to get -13 wrong and got better constantly scoring just below -10

some times I got around -5 but those sections were the ones that had 2-star difficulty...

feel like I'm spending my time and energy for nothing.

so demoralizing

I'm totally running out of time studying for the August LSAT and it's so hard to admit it. I'm already signed up and paid and everything, no turning back now.... I'm working full time and thought it would be a lot easier to set aside time to study, not realizing how exhausted I'd be. Any advice on what parts I can skim through or skip ahead to??

How many lsat preptests should we be taking from now until the august lsat?

Hi! I’m looking to form a study group or find study buddies for the October LSAT. Mainly to hold each other accountable and even go on FaceTime/video call to study together. My availability varies, but I am usually deee evenings into the night as I work full-time. Let me know!

I just want to say that this resource was life changing for me. I self studied using only 7sage for 6 months and went from a diagnostic of 154 in December to 177 on my first official LSAT this June. Thank you thank you thank you 7sage, JY, and the community of people here. If I can give back in any way to anyone who is a part of this community, please do not hesitate to reach out to me.

I'm so confused on how C is not the right answer choice for this question, Help!

Hi guys! I've always seen people write this and I've always felt really encouraged reading them. I hoped I get to write one someday, and that day is today!! I officially started studying for this test maybe 10 months ago. I started with Khan academy: they introduced me to the lsat. It was largely a waste of time. And I came to find out later on that they ruined a lot of the more recent PTs for me (they use them in their lessons). I did not make much progress. I think my first 2 PTs after Khan was a 147 and 149 (not sure).

I needed something different, so I turned to Mike Kim's lsat trainer. Finished it in like a month. Got a low/mid 150s in my first PT after this. Much better, but my LR needed some final tweaking, so I got the Loophole. It didn't do too much for me, but it was the one source that straightened out NA question types for me. But my real Achilles' hill was LG. It was killing me. I'm talking -12, or worse a lot of times. That's entirely what brought me to 7sage around Nov. 2021. I got here and started fool-proofing, as J.Y (and Mike Kim and almost everyone else) suggested. I made some real progress and by March, 2022 when I first took the actual test, I was getting -5 or better on most PTs. Got a lot mid 160s, a 169, and a 170 leading up to the March test.

March test day came. I didn't do as well as I'd hoped on the LG section. Ended up with a 162. Truth is I was proud of myself, but also desperately wanted to do better. I mean if you offered me a 162 when I first started studying for this test, I would have taken it in a heartbeat. Long story short, I enrolled for the June test. I went back to drilling games again, replaying the same games I've played maybe 6 times already. Kept doing LR and RC. Took the test and waited anxiously. Checked my score this morning and I got a 167! It's not the coveted 170, but it's a score I am extremely proud! I think my lsat journey is over

This is entirely too long, but I hope someone finds something in it encouraging and helpful!

What are some of the ways you learned to study the different flaw types? I've been trying flashcards but I'm not retaining any of it. Any advice?

Hi,

I was practicing making some conditional statements for group 1 by implementing the generic "all jedis use the force" example. Using the "all" indicator, I wrote down the following: "force users are all jedis". Based on the translation rule, this should make sense since jedis is still the sufficient condition (the idea introduced by the indicator) for the necessary condition of being a force user. However, when I read the phrase in plain english without concentrating on the logic, "force users are all jedis" sounds like it is saying "all force users are jedis".

Is "force users are all jedis" still demonstrating the same logic as the original "all jedis use the force" (J→F)? I'm wondering if this is one of those examples where the english language makes a statement sound different than the actual logic within it. I would really appreciate some help/feedback. Thanks

Hey everyone!

I've been studying logical reasoning for about 3-4 months now and been putting all my energy into it,

I noticed that I am repeatedly scoring around 18-19 questions correct out of one LR section that is typically 24 questions.

WHen I go back to review the questions I am getting consistently incorrect, it usually is flaw in the reasoning questions

the other questions i get wrong are usually because of a silly Mistake like leaving out an important part of the stimulus and not understanding what the stimulus is saying

What are some tips for me that can help me score atleast a 20 on the LR section!?

Thank you!