I have been having trouble deciphering when I need to map, infer, or write out conditionally different stimulus' in LR. Is there a cookie cutter way of knowing when to or when not to? I'm thinking it's something that I will just have to teach my own intuition to pick out.

Hi everyone, looking for some tutoring here just for LG. I can typically nail the games untimed but need some help getting up to speed since my goal is to master. If you're a tutor or would like to try it out I'd love to hear from you and we can talk about rates! Also any suggestions for tutors are more than welcome (private and group tutoring are both okay). Thanks!!

Would anyone recommend the Powerscore bibbles for RC? it is by far my worst section and I am writing in October. I am scoring -2/-1 on LG and -4/-5 on LR - BUT -13/-9 on RC.

I am also open to any other suggestions!

HELP!

Thank you!

What are your thoughts on applying to school like U Denver with a 150 Lsat?

Any advice/tips are welcomed. I am trying to find a schedule that will stick, so I'm not making up things as I go and I'm getting the most out of my study time. What works best for you guys? Thanks a lot!

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Hello, I am working through Prep Test 4, Section 3, Game 1 and I am trying to understand what's the best way to approach question #5, specifically as it relates to finding the "Minimum number" -- I have watched the explanation video a few times but I am still not sure how to begin solving this type of question?

Explanation Video: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-4-section-3-game-1/

Hi all,

So I've been studying since January, and have been getting in the mid-160s on PTs before I even began the 7sage CC. I really want to hit that 170 so I took several months of just reviewing the CC with a focus on LR, my weakest section. Well, I've now started doing whole sections based on my months of drilling/studying, and while I've gotten LG down to -1 and RC down to -2, I still seem stuck on LR. Whether untimed or timed, I always seem to get -5.

Now finally, my question: I'm taking the October LSAT, which means I have limited time left. What would you do in my situation? Keep grinding away at extra LR sections to try to improve my score, or decide it's a wash and go for practicing even more LG/RC to cement the good scores I already have? I know with the scores I'm getting on these sections I could probably reach my 170 goal, but there is always the (very great) possibility I will choke on test day and score lower on all three.

What would you do? Thanks in advance!

Giulia

I'm pretty confused on this question.

Here's how I thought of it:

Premise: Alicia and Peter had equal blameworthiness for the same "crime" (using another person's car w/o permission)

Conclusion: Alicia should be charged with the same punishment as Peter's.

AC C is the correct answer, but A is the answer I originally chose. After looking at explanations online, I now understand why C is correct. AC C negates the premise by establishing that Alicia and Peter actually had unequal blameworthiness, so it can't support the conclusion that Alicia should be treated the same as Peter.

However, I am still confused as to why A is wrong. The conclusion states that Alicia should have the same punishment as Peter which is automobile theft, not that Peter should have the same punishment as Alicia which is a warning. So, that must mean that both of them being charged with automobile theft is more "equal" punishment than them being both simply having a warning. Doesn't this only make sense if being charged with automobile theft is more just than getting a warning?

In other words, if A is true, then we would get a conclusion that Peter should be charged with the same punishment as Alicia. But that is the opposite of what the conclusion states. So wouldn't A need to be false?

Does anyone write low res summaries on scrap paper while taking sections and PTs? Any helpful RC improvement tips?

The explanation video rejects option (D) simply because it uses the term "primary goal," then moves on without addressing this answer choice further.

However, the stimulus starts off by framing the question around the primary goal of an ideal bureaucracy. Surely then, the primary goal of the the ideal democracy would be important to understand and find an assumption to support?

I would appreciate any further guidance on why (D) is wrong. Thanks!

Hi all!

I'm new to 7Sage (haven't done the core curriculum but have used the test scoring tools) and in a bit of a sticky situation. I just got the results of my third LSAT take and I don't know how to proceed. I started with a diagnostic of 166, which I'm sure was probably a lot of luck, but my official scores are 165 -> 168 -> 165. I'm aiming for something above 170.

My first test didn't go as well as I was PTing likely because I was pretty ill and I think I let anxiety get the best of me in my most recent take. I have a PT average of 171 and truly feel that I can do better than I have so far, but I don't know where to start. I've worked with a tutor in the past and while that was helpful, I think I've gotten as much as I can from it.

Would you all recommend going through the CC? Or would it be better to plug in all of my tests and build problem sets based on weak spots in analytics? Generally my LG is consistently -1 to -3, my LR is -1 to -5 and RC is -1 to -5. I'm also looking for a study group to work with in preparation for the November exam!

Thanks so much.

I was really sick that day, and I fumbled my best section (LG), which has been haunting me. Otherwise, I know I would have gotten a 168+. I feel awful :(. I am out of LSAT takes, so this is it for me. I'm just sad. I needed to knock the test out because of my sub-3.5 GPA. At least I'm done with the test forever. Meh.

is there a way to see how one did on each section individually? I thought this was a thing in the past..

My PTs are in the 170s, but that's because my LR and RC usually carry my scores. LG always, always, ALWAYS is shaky for me, and I think it was a defining factor in my August score. I can go anywhere from -1 to -8 in LG, and I'm always struggling with LG even despite foolproofing. I also don't have confidence in LG.

Would love to find a tutor who can help me strategize and prepare for the October. Pls lmk. Thanks!!!

After 6 long months of studying I took the august lsat and did significantly worse than I was PTing. I was averaging in the mid 160s consistently on every pt I took. After the august test I didn't feel great about how I did but I figured I just got in the 150s. unfortunately I only scored a 149. I don't know what to do I feel so discouraged that I paid a fortune for tutoring and spent so much time and effort into studying to only score my original diagnostic. How is it possible to average mid 160s and almost break 170 on my final PT before the test to only score a 149 and what do I do moving forward?

If anyone decides to help me out, please read everything I have asked because I feel that 95% of the comments I get don't answer everything I ask and I often leave with the same number of questions. And yes, I have already looked at Manhattan and Powerscore and LSAT Hacks and the comments AND the previous threads involving the same question before posting here. I always do.

My big problem with the 7sage explanation is that JY concludes that the conclusion: "no mark of success" means UNsuccessful and I think that is too big an assumption to make. My interpretation of the conclusion is that we cannot tell whether or not an underground group is successful or not based on sales alone because weak and strong sales don't mean the underground group is successful, even if weak sales is something these musicians desire.

That is why I had trouble picking B even though the premises match perfectly. I just have issues picking an answer choice that concludes both strong and weak sales indicate that the underground group is UNSUCCESSFUL when the stimulus only stated that we wouldn't know whether said group was successful from sales.

I found C incredibly attractive but it only does half the job. It does not connect the premise involving possible incompetency or the music being TOO trendy to the conclusion regarding how to gauge an underground group's success.

If anything here is wrong, please correct and tell me why it is incorrect.

Admin Note: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-60-section-3-question-24/

Thankful for any advice you have to offer! I Just took my first ever LSAT in AUG and I scored a 152. This was without any prep programs, just working through the Barrons text book on my own, for a month in half prior. I just wanted to take the actual thing to know where I stood. Now I plan to apply myself to 7sage and take it again in NOV. With that being said, I know that I can do even better with an even better preparation plan. I have my one time cancellation option. I'm leaning towards keeping the score because it is a score I could apply to some schools with and could show schools that I improved (hopefully) on my next LSAT. Does anyone have a reason why a 152 first time would be best to cancel? Thanks!

Help! What would "A book will not give its readers pleasure unless it was intended by its authors to have that affect" be negated?

I just scored a 161`on my first LSAT in August and I am pretty disappointed by it. I was scoring a 165 average on my practice tests with a top score of 169. Has anyone taken the LSAT more than once and improved a few points in a short span of time? I am taking the October and November tests. I feel like I am capable of performing better but this LSAT was particularly hard for me because I got a super hard reading comp section and this is my worst section (the Quantum physics passage). I plan on doing some moderate studying (15 hours a week) from now until the test. Is it possible to improve to a 165?

Hi everyone,

I had kind of a breakdown yesterday because of my August LSAT score. This was my second time taking it, and while I improved 7 points from last time (I got a 144, compared to the 137 I got in November last year) it's still very low, and I feel stuck. I'm registered for November, but I'm feeling a lot of pressure to score higher because my GPA is a 3.2, if I want to get into my target law schools, and I think it's keeping me from actually practicing again. I Does anyone have any advice on how I can strategize and work past this?

I did pretty well on RC of old tests (usually -1 to -3), but on the newer PTs, I've been going -5 to -7. I'm taking the October LSAT and the RC of recent tests have me worried... does anyone have any advice on how to improve on the newer RC sections? #help

I know usually means most but I am not sure about "tends to."

#help

Hi everyone! I have 2 questions.

1st. In logical reasoning, when the question stem asks for the main point, is that slightly different then it asking for the conclusion? I watched an explanation video for a main point, the question stem said “Which one of the following states the main point of the argument?” And JY said that the main point questions are looking for a summary of the conclusion. Rather, I notice when the question stem ask for us to state the conclusion it will be a more “word-for-word” explicit answer, leaning away from a summary type answer. Is this correct? Or does it depend on other factors?

2nd. Okay. Another question. Is not always the same as sometimes in logic?

Thank you so much.

I look forward to the #help!

Hello people of the good earth,

In need of some clear coated advice. I studied for eight months and scored a 150 on the August LSAT. This was my second time writing it as my first time was me being an overconfident rebel thinking I could swoop in a perfect score with 2 months of studying... I was very very wrong. I canceled that score. But, I came back with vengeance and determination and scored a 150. Am I happy with this score? Absolutely not, I was aiming for 160. I wrote the Saturday exam that had dual RC with African Languages and photo apertures. This section was brutal and I wish the best for anyone who got thunderstruck by it too. I must have scored a -15 on that RC alone. The rest of the exam went good. Now I am trying to figure out if I can increase my score by 10 points in two months? I know there is a lot of optimistic people saying its possible but is it a reasonable climb? I was PTing at 150 and I scored exactly 150. I know the perplexity of getting a section drilled to a T but, reading comprehension is my pitiful. So many high and lows with RC. Any advice improving in two month or should I throw in the towel for this year and continue grinding until everything clicks? Any help or opinion will help me immensely. Thank you beautiful people.

Got my scores back and actually scored better than any of my PTs to date - a 179. I've prepped full time since June, so had about two and a half months of study time. I took every PT 60+ and nearly solved every single logic game publicly available during that time.

So I'm going to pivot towards focusing on my app materials for the time being.

Shoutout to the super friendly folks on the forum as well as the explanation videos, test taking UI and analytics 7sage makes available.

I don't know if I'm qualified to give tips, but here's my 2 cents

Logic Games are all practice. You have to drill them till they "click." Once they click, they're all actually pretty similar to each other. Yes, even the crazy mauve dinosaur game will click eventually. It may never become trivial, but it will start to make sense.

Use the analytics feature on Logical Reasoning. Seriously. It saves so. much. time. This was the most useful feature on 7Sage for me. It isolates what question/difficulty combinations trip me up regularly. You can filter the results to only include most recent X tests, which will make the analysis more representative of your recent performance.

For example, I saw in the analytics section in my final run-up to the test that I consistently made errors in difficult (4-5 bubble) Weaken, Parallel Flaw, and Necessary Assumption questions. So I replaced PTs with focused drills on those types of questions & difficulty only. The Problem Set feature is very nifty for this. And about 100 questions per type later, I began seeing significant improvement.

Happy to answer questions if interested. May come back to return the favor by helping folks with harder questions.

Best of luck all!