Hi,

Based on what I have read from answer explanations so far, this logical reasoning question seems to break the "cardinal rule" of there only being one truly right answer because both A and B here seem to strengthen the stimulus-- A just happens to strengthen it more, and thus is the right answer. Does anyone have a better explanation for why B is wrong?

Thanks!

#help

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Hello JY

I had a q regarding LR. What if we have a different reasoning to why an answer is correct than the one you mention in your video but still get the right answer choice? Does that mean we have thought about it incorrectly and should re-wire our brains to think differently?

e.g.

Practice test 7, S3 Q21 - I have the same reasoning another student posted, quoted below:

"B) Yes! This shows that we do not NEED to raise cow on grain – so even if the grain yield is going down, we can still raise them on grass – which renders it possibly less morally unacceptable"

But this wasn't the reasoning you used .. so are we incorrect for picking the answer on that basis?

(and generally should we adapt our reasoning to yours? This isn't the first scenario I encounter like this)

If anyone else wants to chime in, more than welcome ! :D

Hi guys,

I just finished the CC and took a diagnostic June 2007 timed PT. 160 timed and 170 - 174 BR. My target is 172 - 175.

I also just finished BR'ing, watching the videos, and doing some careful analysis. One question that I am still having trouble on is the following:

I usually do a first pass of an LR section in 25 minutes. That leaves me 10 minutes to go back to questions that I circled to try and answer them before the time is up. At this point, I usually have about 3 questions unanswered and probably about 10 total questions that I circled for BR.

My question is... after my first pass, when I have 10 minutes left, how do I know which exact question to turn to for maximum benefit? I would assume that it would be the lowest hanging fruits. So far, I've just been going back to the first circled question and working my way up.

Thank you!

In Logical Reasoning sections, LSAC loves to test us on how we interpret studies. For example, a study is described, a conclusion is drawn, and it becomes our job to evaluate how well the study supports the conclusion. These questions are common and come in the form of: flaw, strengthening, weakening, necessary assumption, sufficient assumption, and if they are feeling really ambitious: resolve reconcile questions.

These questions mostly turn on how well the study is controlled. This video below takes you through what it means for an experiment to be controlled and why it is fundamental to "good" science.

Next time you do an LR section, notice how much the controlled experiment comes up, and how you must understand what makes it better or worse!

Hi,

I am totally stuck here between B and C. Can anyone help explain why C is wrong and B is right?

#help

Thanks!

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Hi everyone,

Hard question here: can anyone explain why answer choice A is completely incorrect? I can see how, based on the passage, "standardizing traditional languages" is "sometimes unnecessary" from lines 39-42, but I still can not find textual evidence for how "standardizing traditional languages requires arbitrary choices". The rhetorical question raised in lines 36-38 express arbitrariness, but I don't understand how we were supposed to know that this arbitrariness was "required" by standardization. No need to explain B,C,D, and E.

Thanks!

#help

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Hi everyone,

This might sound like a dumb question, but would anyone be able to explain why C is wrong in this question?

I thought C could be correct here because:

Thus, while I understood why the answer was A (since "all but impossible" = very difficult to make possible), I had trouble fully eliminating answer choice C because I thought that since we understood the obstacle that "sometimes" prevented us from perfectly converting oral language to written language (aka "exact match"), taking away that obstacle should make that goal "attainable".

Any #help would be appreciated!

Thanks!

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I'm doing the RC problem sets of the core curriculum currently and it seems like the RC passages are taking me a while. For passages that are 5 questions it takes me 10 minutes to complete that passage, and for passages that are 7-8 questions it usually takes me 15 minutes to complete.

How do I get faster at this? And what is a good time to aim for for each passage?

My blind review for LR is around ~20-23 correct. My average for timed LR is about +17/19. When I took Prep Test 36, I scored 12/26 (raw) and 13/26 (BR). I'm currently reviewing the section and realizing that I'm still stumped on a lot of these questions. This section particularly seems much more difficult to me than any of the previous LR sections I've done (and I've done a lot). I recently read that Test 36 LR 1 is considered one of the more difficult LR sections but I'm wondering if anyone else has had similar experiences with this section?

I'm going to continue to review the video explanations for it and read up on the explanations for as long as I have to in order to gain full understanding. I'm just shocked that I got +12, I feel like this is not representative of how I normally perform. Initially, I thought maybe I was just nervous, but now that I'm looking at the questions, I'm realizing this section is just confusing to me for some reason.

Thoughts?

https://www.reddit.com/r/LSAT/comments/71zteo/hardest_most_difficult_lsat_sections_ever_listed/

Hello everyone,

I am planning to take the LSAT in South Korea for the upcoming cycle. I was hoping to take it between sep~nov.

BUT, the official LSAC website only indicates that the 2019 test dates in Asia are Sunday, March 31, 2019 & Sunday, June 23, 2019. Since today is April 28, that only leaves the June 23 option.

Is this going to be only time I can take the test in Asia??? or will there be more releases of dates in the near future?

Thanks in advance!

Hello! This is my first time posting here, I am feeling shy but thank you in advance for any advice you may give!

I've been taking some full PTs as well as using them as problem sets and I find myself constantly overthinking LR questions during BR. I'll get the answer right timed, but when I'm untimed I often linger and fall for the trap answer. I feel like this happens more often in the easier questions too than in the more difficult ones, so I'm stumped lol. I'd greatly appreciate any tips on where to begin in kicking this bad habit. I'm taking the test in July and LR is my weakest section. I'll also be re-reviewing the CC but there's little consistency in which question types I miss so it's not easy to pinpoint.

Thank you and I hope everyone is studying the best they can while prioritizing personal safety in our current climate.

Hi everyone, at what point to you map things out? I have gone through a good chunk of the CC (now at more MBT questions) and I answer every question in my head using intuition, not mapping them out, and get most correct. I'm afraid if I map them out using lawgic that this will take me too much time. If I am getting most questions right, should I stick with my intuition or start mapping them out? I have reviewed logic a few times, but it just isn't clicking.

Hey guys, I had a difficult time eliminating answer choice C on this one. I do understand why A is correct but I can't 100% eliminate C. Explanations I've come across indicate that C just restates what was already stated in the premises, but I still see some slight gaps that C would seem to fill in, so I'm going to take a stab at what I think is going on here, and was hoping I could get some feedback as to whether there's more to add to my explanation or to confirm that it is sufficient. So here it is:

Basically, this is a sufficient/psuedo sufficient assumption question.

The argument is as follows:

Conclusion:

4) What is relevant is not symbolism (not S) but what it directly presents (DP). (R--->not S and DP)

Analysis:

So I see that symbolism is a new term in the conclusion, and I would like to get from R-->not S). I know from "2)" that R-->not E, so I see that adding in not E-->not S would allow the portion of the conclusion, R--->not S to follow via R-->not E-->not S. So that makes sense for A being correct.

However, when I ready the conclusion: "What is really aesthetically relevant, therefore, is not what a painting symbolizes, but what it directly presents to experience," I ignored what was in between the commas and was looking to justify the conclusion, "What is really aesthetically relevant, therefore, is what it directly presents to experience." So I focused on that.

Looking back at the premises, I saw from "1)" that paying attention necessitates intrinsic properties and from "3)" that paying attention also necessitates looking at what is directly presented. But the premises never explicitly connected intrinsic properties to that which is directly presented; it was simply implied.

So going back to the conclusion -- which I qualified thinking that the middle (not S) was extraneous -- I thought that in order to conclude, "What is relevant is what is directly presented (R-->DP), I figured why not make the intrinsic/directly presented connection explicit? So I plugged answer choice C) Relevant-->Intrinsic, leading to (R-->Intrinsic)--->DP.

Where I think I might have gone wrong:

Plugging in Relevant-->Intrinsic still leaves the the original gap between Intrinsic and Directly Presented open. Also, Was answer C already stated in Premise 2) as E-->not R, as the contrapositive of R-->Intrinsic?

The way I was supposed to have thought about it?:

Paying attention leads to looking at only intrinsic properties and paying attention involves only looking at what is directly presented, so there's no leap in concluding that intrinsic properties involve what is directly presented. So it adds nothing to the part of the conclusion that what is Relevant are only instrinsic properties.

However, connecting Relevant to whatever is not symbolic is an open gap that never connected Extrinsic properties to being symbolic and hence answer choice A) making this explicit completely (or almost entirely in the case of this being psuedo-sufficient) bridges the gap.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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When it comes to necessary/sufficient assumption questions, I used to intuitively get to the right answer. As I am now forcing myself to apply consistent process, I am a bit confused as to how the rules apply. I understand that as a rule of thumb, question stems that feature 'depend on' require necessary assumptions, and those featuring 'properly drawn' require sufficient assumptions. I just wonder where do sufficient-and-necessary assumptions belong? #help#

Has anyone gotten their results yet?

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Hi guys,

I just thoroughly analyzed my June 2007 timed PT (my first timed full PT). I went -3 in one section and -4 in other LR section.

It looks like for maybe about 5 of the 7 questions I got wrong, I got them wrong timed because I missed a key word or distinction from the stimulus or the answer choice.

How would I go about addressing this? I'm already planning on taking the 5 top priority question types and drilling them and doing a confidence drill to see if I can shave off some time in the questions that I was underconfident on. I ended up circling around 14 questions per section for BR and probably about 5 questions per section did not need to be BRed (lack of confidence),where I got those right the first and during BR. If I don't go back to these 5 questions per section, perhaps that will give me more time to focus and look for the missed key word or distinction for the 5 out of 7 questions I got wrong.

Thoughts? Thanks!

The problem sets for the Most Strongly Supported Statements have been very helpful in fine tuning my skills. However, I am in dire need of help with the questions that are considered High Priority. I cannot seem to correctly figure them out.

What works best for you?

I thought I understood the direction of argument lesson but I just took a timed section and found myself going back and forth when I saw MSS questions. I kept getting confused on whether or not I should look for the MP or a answer choice that strengthened the argument, can someone explain?

We will be hosting a Blind Review Session for the first Logical Reasoning Section of Prep Test 66 on Sunday March 15th at 3:00 pm Pacific Coast (6:00 pm East Coast).

This will be a peer lead review and we will be going over flagged questions chosen by the group. Prior to the blind review session please complete Prep Test 66, and complete your own blind review. Do Not check your answers. We will be focusing on process, understanding and strategy.

The link to join is below:

https://join.skype.com/HW01DVXTluPk

Note: You do not need to join our study group or preparing for the June Test to join this review session, all levels are welcomed

I'm currently looking for one or max two study partners who I can drill ALOUD with on Ellen Cassidy's Basic Translation and What If? test methods.

Some soft prerequisites:

Has thoroughly read through Ellen Cassidy's "The Loophole in LSAT Logical Reasoning" and is committed to adopting and practicing her ways

Someone who wants extra practice in assumption spotting in LR OUT LOUD

BR in the170s

Preferably Pacific time zone

Flexible scheduling (meet via Discord 2-3x/week for 1-1.5 hours)

Look forward to connecting with you! Please message me if you are interested!

I am currently struggling to move past the CC lessons on valid argument forms. With the use of flashcards, I have been able to memorize what the abstract form of each valid argument form looks like. For example, if I am given the premise A-->B and the conclusion B some C, I automatically know that the missing premise needed to restore this argument to validity is A --> C. However, when I see this same valid form in English as opposed to logic I compltely freeze. I have tried writing out my own English statements for each of the valid argument forms. Doing this helped me see how cookie-cutter the valid argument forms are. However, I feel like once I see these argument forms on the LSAT it will not be as cookie-cutter. For example, I recently realized that when I was writing out my own English statements I had failed to take into account that the fact that you can move around premises and still get a valid argument form. For example:

Premise 1: O→K

Premise 2: J‑m→O

Conclusion: J‑m→K

By simply looking at this argument's abstract form, I know that it's a valid argument. It embodies valid argument 5. In the example above, A‑m→B was switched into premise 2 and B→C was switched into premise 1. However, when I see this switch being applied in English, my brain turns into mush. Continuing with the example from above, the English translation would sound something like:

All octopuses are kind. Most people named James are octopuses. Most people named James are kind.

Octopuses= O

Kind=K

James=J

Right??

I am aware that on the LSAT, the topics in the stimulus questions that require your understanding of validity are going to be a lot more challenging. That's why I am looking to get some insight in terms of how to solve this issue. I really appreciate your time!

Anyone have a comprehensive list which they use to review/drill which question type is an argument we must look for vs not an argument...etc

So I did a little experiment and did 3 questions from each Logical Reasoning stem and found that no matter how hard I try I keep getting Strengthening, Weakening, and Necessary Assumption questions wrong. It is probably my weakest LR family type I don't know if my brain just is not smart enough for the LSAT or it's because there is something off with my reasoning skills, but even after going over CC in this area I can't seem to get questions from the Assumption family correct no matter how hard I try.

Any tips?

Thank you 7Sage !

I have no idea why the answer is E. I chose C. Can someone please explain why E is right?

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