Ive been doing ok on LR...should I skip over the explanations for the wrong answers and just focus on why I got the answer right??

Working on a time crunch.

Hey all, so I saw my score very early this morning expecting to be somewhere near the median of where I was PTing (which was around the 153-157 range), and I ended up getting a 149. Obviously, this isn't seriously lower as I make it out to be, but it's confusing to me and i'm more shocked than angry or upset. I felt very confident during this test, and I had a ridiculous amount of energy even up to the end, so I can't blame test fatigue or zoning out. I ended up having a terribly bad RC and LR #2, both dipping in double digit incorrect, which is not even remotely close to where I falter on PTs.

So I know the obvious answer is just move on, and I want to move on, but I also want to improve as much as I can in the short time I have until the October LSAT. I've seen a ton of improvement in LR, LG, and i've peaked at around -6/-7 for RC. I don't feel like I would see major gains in RC so I don't feel like it's worth re-investing into it this late, and I genuinely don't think i'm that bad at it, so i'm just super confused if I should take this test's result into consideration for where I need to patch my wounds. My current study plan has tons of LG foolproofing because I think I can definitely get a really great score on LG realistically. I think I have stagnated for a long time on LR and RC with zero to minimal gains for a few weeks, but I can't neglect 75% of the test obviously.

So yeah, any advice is heavily appreciated. I know i'm likely overthinking everything but I'd hate to have another nightmare scenario happen and be forced to either apply with a low score or apply late (or just delay everything)

Walked away from the September LSAT with a 166. My GPA for my best three years is a 3.86 and a 3.92 for my best two years. Planning on going to school in Ontario. Should I write again in October?

My last 15 PTs have all been over 170.

Even though conditional logic seemed easy when I went through the CC, it continues to trip me up on harder questions, so I'm reviewing some basics:

To have a valid conditional statement, the SOME or MOST statement must come first followed by the ALL statement. (You can't conclude ANYTHING if the ALL statement comes before a SOME or MOST statement.) So A some B->C, therefore A some C is valid. Also A most B->C, therefore A most C is valid.

In a valid argument, the conclusion must be true. Basic valid argument examples include affirming the sufficient (A->B, A, therefore B ) ; denying the necessary (A->B, /B, therefore /A); transitive property (A->B->C, therefore A->C).

Other valid arguments show us instances where one thing (A) arrows out to two other things and there's therefore overlap between those two other things:

If A->B and A->C, then B some C.

If A->B and A some C, then B some C.

If A->B and A most C, then B some C.

If A most B and A most C, then B some C.

Invalid arguments mean the conclusion doesn't have to be true. Examples include affirming the necessary (A->B, B, therefore A); denying the sufficient (A->B, /A, therefore /B), and putting the ALL statement before the MOST or SOME statement (A->B some C, therefore A some C OR A->B most C, therefore A most C).

Other invalid arguments show us that we can't conclude anything from 2 some SOME statements:

A some B some C, therefore A some C (transitive property does NOT apply to SOME statements)

A most B most C, therefore A most C (transitive property does NOT apply to MOST statements)

A some B, A some C, therefore B some C.

You cannot take a contrapositive of a SOME or MOST statement.

Quantifiers have specific meanings on the LSAT that are often counterintuitive. Some is the trickiest one because it means at least one, but could be limited to one, and could go up to all. Be suspicious 😒 of ACs that use any variation of some, such as sometimes and somewhat. Always ask, “just one??” Many sucks too because is the same as some; it is not MOST. Few means some are, most are not. In most cases, we're talking about 3 or 4, but we can think of the range as up to 50 because more than that is MOST.

Hi there,

Is there a suggested list of games to foolproof by game type?

I know JY did it for in/out games here: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-33-section-4-game-2/

Does something similar exist for the other game types?

#help

So I know this is a tough flaw question.

With tough questions like this - I almost always double check line 1 with the conclusion at the end, because there is always this jump that somehow (or a lot of time is the fall)... routinely with never in this case.

However, knowing this - I just don't understand/struggling to translate AC D.

I know B C E were just pure garbage to me in the beginning. I was left with A and D. A is wrong b/c of domain jump of "avoid chaos" - we do not know what accomplishes this.

Any help would be awesome... thanks

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Why foolproof 1-35 in particular? I will have had about 3 months study leading up to Nov administration, and have done most logic games sections 19 - 70s. I haven't however touched a pre-19 PT. I'm foolproofing some of the middle ones now, 30s - 60s, but wondering if this is like..wrong... Does FP need to be done with PT 1-35 or is that just a suggestion so as not to burn thru sections of what would otherwise be better to use for full timed PTs (like I've done, admittedly stupidly)?

Well unfortunately I did not get anywhere near the score I wanted. However, I didn't find 7 sage until a week before the September LSAT. I'm now registered for the November and have been using 7sage ever since. I'm hoping to make even the slightest improvement because some is better than none. Really hoping that I'll have enough time to increase my score like I'm hoping to and don't burst into tears at the site of my next score! I have hope!

Help! I still have not received my September score. I did not receive an email and my account still has the test scores listed as unavailable. Any thoughts?

who agrees

I had a dinner with a law student who got a 178 on the lsat. He talked to me about how he prepared for it and I’m curious if these points resonate with other top scorers as well and share them with others. He studied by himself and said that he always tried to figure out the solutions once he finished the test without going online, he also told me to not worry about the LR question types, just focus on conclusion, premise and evidence. He also did all the preptests, 3 times each. He also read books with topics he was unfamiliar with. He broke down so unfortunate truths in which familiarity/expertise helped him in reading comp as well as how good you are at math helped with LG. Just curious of these tips/insights helped some of you as well. I know everyone is different im their approaches but there has to be some common insights right? For those scoring in low 160 what was that one habit that helped you get to 170s......??.

Hi,

I received my September LSAT, and would love to go over the test with someone else who has also taken it via video chat. Are there any rules against this? I understand that you cannot sell or distribute the test, but I was not sure about this. If there are no rules against it, does anyone want to go over the test who will be taking it again? I would particularly like to talk about LG.

Thanks,

Lauren

Hello!

My name is Christo and I am wondering if there is anyone that would be willing to provide any tips on the Digital LSAT. I will be taking the test in November and am concerned about logistics for the testing day. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

From,

Christo

procedural question: how do you incorporate an exp section into a digital PT on this site?

(Really glad that it's possible to do all tests digitally here, but other sites (khan, powerscore) include an experimental section. Despite having far fewer PT available overall theirs is a much cleaner way to PT digitally.)

How do people go about incorporating an exp section here, under timed constraints? I'm asking at a technical level, pretty much, since there's no pause option or breaks during timed tests on here.

Do you exit the PT, go to an already opened section in a new window, then navigate back into the actual PT? Seems like an inefficient hassle, not to mention not simulating test day very well at all.

Love 7sage but not sure how to approach this. Thanks!!

Hi Fam,

Been recklessly checking my email and logging into LSAC although I know nothing will change yet. I just need a place to let off my steam.

Does anyone know when the October 2019 International Score release date is? The Exam was on October 13.

the question is from PT86-s1, could anyone help me to explain differences between the two?

Does anyone know at what time should we expect our scores to be released? Should I stay up until midnight or am I going to be filled with anxiety the wole day?

The main issue that I can't resolve right now is if I should take the September LSAT, and if it would even matter. It'll be my fourth one, my priors score are: 153/160/161, but these scores are from 2 years ago. Back then, I was studying for the LSAT about 5 hours/week for a few months (don't remember exactly), and I took around 15 PTs (25 if you count retakes). I was also using the LSAT trainer, and Blueprint.

After taking some time to work full time and advance my career, I decided to take the LSAT again, and started studying in early May of this year. I quit my job, and studied full time for the LSAT with 7sage. So far I've completed every single lesson, and a large portion of the drills, as well as taken 8 practice tests in the last month/month and a half. And so far, my score hasn't increased at all. For whatever reason (not blaming 7sage at all, their lessons have been great and easy to understand) my score hasn't gotten past the 158-162 range. This is with blind review and every other suggestion I've come across thus far (I've also taken some of Sami's tutoring lessons). Unfortunately, taking a different or later LSAT isn't really an option, I need my score before October for law school purposes.

So this makes me arrive at my final question, especially considering that the LSAT refund deadline is tomorrow - should I not take the September LSAT, and instead just use my score from two years ago?

Hey!

So I have kind of hit a plateau with LG. I am averaging around a -8 timed, but in BR I am consistently -0 to -2. I know I can do pretty much any game!

I'm finding a couple of issues:

I truly feel if I could correct these issues (along with cleaning up dumb errors) I can go sub -5 which is my goal! I feel like this comes down to strategy more than anything. Anyone have any tips that may help me here?

Thanks!!

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on whether I should cancel my score.

I just took the international LSAT in Asia today and have a few days to think about whether I should cancel this attempt.

A little background: This is actually my fourth take and retaking is not an option for this cycle.

My first two scores (two years ago) were terrible (should've canceled but was too stupid to not do so) and my third take (this Jan.) was a 166. I am aiming for the top 20 law schools in the US.

My question is: should I cancel and work with the 166, or should I see if I bumped up a point or two?

Nothing particularly devastating happened on this attempt but I feel like I performed similarly or slightly worse compared to my recent PTs (which I have been scoring around 167-170). I understand that my situation is not one of the three situations where a cancel is warranted but I was wondering whether already having a close score to my target schools while having no option to retake would be an exception.

I am worried that if it turns out I got, say a 162-ish, schools will think that the 166 is actually an outlier. I imagine even though schools only consider the highest score, a drop on my last LSAT would not reflect well on me.

On the other hand, if I bumped up a point of two, I would probably open some doors to some lower T-14s and may squeeze some $$ for others.

So...I guess it all boils down to how large a drop on the last LSAT would be tolerable or be disregarded by schools?

Does anyone feel that the newer LRS are actually easier? Because im testing pretty far away, I try to sprinkle in as many old PTs as I can. On the newer tests I can go -3 to -6. But on the really old ones I can never get better than -6 haha. I feel like the old ones are just so weird.

Hi everyone! I tried to register for the October 2019 LSAT in Seattle area, and there's an option for a waitlist. I even tried November 2019 and there's also a waitlist. Has anyone had experiences with the LSAT waitlists? It's giving me anxiety that the November 2019 is completely booked. Yikes!!!

Hi! So I understand why D is correct but I thought that the sentence "the position that X is unsustainable" was the position the author was trying to defend. In that he/she is defending that it is unsustainable. Why is this thought process not right? It's why I picked B

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Hey guys and gals Nov test taker here

I’ve been hitting -3 or better on Lr sections through the PT60s, but just hit a -8 on section 4 on PT 69. I’m not too worried because I had heard about a shift in Lr around this range. I’m hoping I will adapt.

Can anyone speak to what changes they noticed if any and what you did to adapt?

TIA