Hi!

In LR, when something is said to be of public opinion of a given society, does that imply that more than half of the people in that region believe that?

Thanks!

Hey all!

I have currently taken 3 PT's and am confident on the LR and RC sections (still room for improvement, but doing well). However, I am consistently getting annihilated in the LG sections (like -10 average). When I am fool proofing individual games, I usually complete them under or close to under the suggested time, but when I take timed sections I still end up usually completing only 3 games and miss 10 questions. I don't know if it is solely a product of the added stress of the clock or if my strategy is just messed up. I usually try to initially find easier games to start with, but I noticed on the last timed section I did I skipped to other games before completing the one I was on. Do others see this as detrimental? I also find myself brute forcing the questions and plugging in the answer choices quite often. It seems I have a difficult time making the inferences up front under timed conditions. Does anyone else struggle with this?

I guess I am wondering if I just need to keep fool proofing the games from the PT's I've already took, or if anyone has specific strategies they use for reducing the stress of the clock? I'm currently doing 1-2 timed sections a day and 1 PT a week. Any help is appreciated!

I see in JY's RC answer explanations he makes mention of specific RC Questions types where he tells the strategy of how to approach that specific question type (Ex. "Function in Context" Questions - "read a little before, read a little after").

Is there a lesson in CC or anywhere that breaks down what we should do/expect for each RC question type?

Thanks.

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I am not understanding PT70 S4 Q3... my 7sage course does not include the video explanations for the PT but I have them through a friend and only have the written Kaplan explanations, which is not helpful at all for this question because they are pretty vague.

It's a flaw question and I cannot for the life of me figure out why A is the answer... I must be messing up some pretty basic logic, which is a bit terrifying two weeks out, but SOS. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to type the questions here (?) but happy to do so if it'd help someone answer.

Thanks in advance!

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can someone please explain to me how the answer for this question is (e) and not (b)? I've been pondering about it for minutes and I still can't understand how that is. (e) says no adult should be responsible for every action he/she performs but premise says "sometimes." Please help. Thank you.

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I think I’ve only done maybe 5 of these ever and I just did a PT (I think PT60) where the first game was like 6 game pieces, at least 2 in both cars, one “driver” in each car. I froze tf up and skipped it and still couldn’t manage to figure it out when I had 6 min left to go back over it. I know it wasn’t that hard I just lost all strategy in the moment.

Anyways, is there a particular name of these grouping game types or does anyone recall any like this?

Grouping/sequencing hybrids I’m fine with but I’m not super experienced with those grouping games where it’s just straight grouping and then the twist is that one is the president.

Hey Friends, I'm now pretty discouraged. I'm taking the coming June test. Usually I get around -4/5 on RC, -2/3 on LR per section, and -1/2 on game, so around high 160s,170s sometimes. I just did a timed section on RC, and got almost all questions wrong on a science passage, and -2 on the left three ones, a total of -9 on a single section. This happened a number of times before. Honestly, I am really scared of science passages, especially the ones on biology and physics. Any advice? Can I make any improvements on Science passages in the next two weeks?

How important is learning these forms? Is the point that it will help save time on the test by identifying these common forms? I ask because when I read the English part, it makes sense to me, but the lawgic part has me lost, meaning I will have to spend a good amount of time drilling these.

I am signed up for June 2018, I have never taken the LSAT before, and I am almost certain that I will retake the LSAT June 2019. I plan on taking ~a year to work through the Ultimate package and work my PT score up. I signed up for June 2018 about 3 months ago before realizing I would need MUCH more time to get the score I want. Now I'm faced with the option of either still taking it as "practice" and then retaking it in a year after I've had the chance to get solid training, or skipoing all together. My question is, is it worth the potential harm a lower score will cause my application? I PT between 156-161 and hope to improve my score to the high 160s+ by next year. Wouldn't it be better to just skip June 2018 if I know I will retake regardless? I don't want law schools to see my 150s score if they don't have to, and if I just withdraw then they will be none the wiser.

Or, since its already paid for, should I just suck it up and take it for practice?

I already took the test in Dec 2017 and scored much worse than my PT average.

I have registered for June and I have 25 more days until test date. Currently, I am not PT-ing where I'd like. Considering I have 25 more days to prepare, should I prepare and take the test anyway? If I do not score at my target score, how badly would 3 takes reflect on my profile and rob me of my chances for admissions and financial aid considerations. I am currently 10 points below my target score.

In other words, I am also asking, how bad do multiple takes essentially look on the application? I am an international student i.e. no LSDAS GPA. And my evaluation maybe average or above average.

My goal is to apply for the 2019 cycle regardless.

I do not have the July option as it is not offered in Asia.

Please advice.

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Hello All, Hope all of your studying is going well

wanted to address 2 things .

One of the other schools I'm applying to is stating 160+is their competitive lsat score

If I'm lucky I'll be able to get a solid 150/ish give or take.

My target school is 150/155.

If I score less then 160 should I bother applying for that school? They have a lengthy application and my thoery is they won't bother looking at anything less than their target , plus time spent applying for school 2 could be spent cleaning up and submitting an early application for my target school. What's your take ?

Second point ; I'm set to take the july lsat for 2018- was supposed to take in june 2018 but pushed it back.

Right now I'm doing untimed lsats/reviewing areas of weakness / reviewing the cc.

How should I move forward , I was thinking closer to the date to start taking timed lsats - when did you all start taking timed tests ?

thanks in advance

Could somebody explain and provide me with an example of the flaw described below?

" Something that is merely a matter of opinion is treated as if it were subject to verification as a matter of fact".

Hey guys, I noticed I often have trouble deciphering the tones of the author or different groups in the texts, and have no idea how to improve this. Is it just exposure? Does anyone have tips to improve this? My RC SUCKS sometimes and it’s very discouraging.

Hi Friends,

I'm taking the June test and currently at a plateau, scoring avg. 165 and 173 BR. I would really like to close the gap between timed test score and BR score, if there are suggestions that anyone has when they are no longer seeing score increases. It may be that I am taking too many tests and not devoting enough time to review and allowing my brain to rest/absorb since I work full time and am taking about 4 tests per week (2 timed, 1 5-section), average, plus reviewing. I am reluctant to restructure my schedule to take fewer tests but would appreciate opinions since I'm on the fence with limited time.

Secondly, I've experienced sort of an odd exchange of scores. I went from being most confident in RC (-1 or -2) out of all the sections without much thought or strategy and struggling to finish LG within the time limit with many mistakes (-7 or -8) to the complete opposite. As soon as I started focusing on improving LG and strategy on RC, my timed scores became -1/ -2 and -5/-7 or so for each section, respectively. At this point, I surmise that I likely am pressuring myself overly and that is what is affecting my RC score, but it would be great to get some feedback on whether anyone else has experienced a similar exchange in scores, and if so, what action they took?

Patience may be the best option, agonizingly enough, but I'd welcome any advice with the June test approaching in two weeks so I can maximize the remaining time.

Best of luck to fellow takers!

PT 13, Sec. 2, Q26. Does "the only" in answer choice B refer to a necessary, or sufficient condition? Also, what exactly is "the condition" and "phenomenon" in B? Thanks

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So I’m about to finish LG CC and have put time in doing FP and what not, about to transition into studying RC. I spent a good amount of time in LR and I feel like a fair amount of LR will translate to RC in some capacity, however, I understand that for many people timing is their biggest issue with RC. What were your hurdles/shortcomings for RC? Anything I should look out for? And super-secret tips/tricks? Thanks!

Hi. I'm stuck in question 13 of PT 50 section 1's second reading passage.

This question asks to most weaken the author's arg against harsh punishment for debtors. My choice was D, because I thought D weakens author's arg by giving an example where harsh punishment has nothing to do with local economy (at least it doesn't hinder the growth of the local economy) therefore the harsh punishment should be continued.

However the correct answer is E. The moment I read E, I knew that could work. But because E sounded too broad ( "greater economic health..." ) I chose D.

Why is E the answer? Does anyone know why?

Here is 7sage link to the questions:

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-50-section-1-passage-2-questions/

EDIT: It's PT 57, not PT 58

The conditional logic here is really bugging me. It seems, with the benefit of knowing the answer, that the beginning of the stimulus ("The law") implies a bi-conditional? That is the only way I can see how C is a MBT answer choice. I ended up with the correct answer just because all of the other answers make no sense, but I'm hoping someone can help me pin down where I'm still going wrong on really understanding the structure of this one - even if it is a bi-conditional, it's not perfectly clear to me why (especially with the wording in the conclusion).

Here is how the argument still reads to me

-If $100+ & nonresident & /former resident, then register with the CC

-All contributions were from residents and former residents, therefore the campaign complied with THIS law

*MBT Answer: No contributions needed to be registered

It seems that the MBT answer should have specified, "No contributions needed to be registered as a result of THIS law," at the very least due to the wording in the conclusion. Had the conclusion said "the law," it would have more clearly been intending a bi-conditional relationship, though it still could be a referential phrase referring to the specific law in question. "This law," obscures whether or not there may be other laws to consider. In that case, concluding that nothing needed to be registered is too strong of an answer choice. My thoughts after reading the stimulus were some loose version of, "We still don't know if anything had to be registered because we only know this law doesn't necessitate registering those contributions."

Any help is greatly appreciated

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Hey guys. So I recently got to the Logic Games section of the CC and needless to say its rough. So I have been doing the Problem Sets, which is only a few but I know I need more work and a ton more Fool Proofing to do. I understand the LG Bundle is only available via the Ultimate + and I wanted to get some peoples opinions on how much that has helped them etc. I'd like to be able to get done with the CC before I start Fool Proofing because of the concepts being so new to me right now and I don't have a grasp on the different kinds of games right now so I'd be watching JY's videos and then fool proofing for most of them and I feel like I wont learn that way. If anyone has any opinion on this matter please let me know. It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys.

Hey 7sagers!

I was just wondering if anyone had any tips on how to really understand sufficient and necessary assumption questions . I get what they are supposed to do but I can’t seem to seem the arguments as valid with the correct answer choice for example :the steps I take with the sufficient assumptions is

1.read the question stem

2. Find the con. And premises

3. Try to find the flaw in between the premises and con.

4. Then look for what I think it is in the answer choice .

I’m not sure if this is the best way or not especially for necessary assumption . Are there any other ways I can think about this ? With necessary assumptions I follow all steps except I am not confident when going down to the answer choices .

I’m wondering how do I look at this differently ? Should I take an answer choice one by one with the other premises and see if it sounds correct ? I know it’s supposed to fill the gap but I guess I’m not seeing it fully.

Thanks !

Hey guys, I also recently got approved for testing accommodations for the LSAT which entails 50% additional test time on all multiple choice sections and a 15 minute break after sections 1,2,4,5 and a 30 minute break after section 3. I was wondering your opinion on PT's and problem sets and how I should be doing them with these accommodations. I assume I should take the PT's under these conditions but also am considering "normal" or "a little more time than normal" to give myself plenty of time at the end of each section just in case. Any tips/strategies you would recommend during my practice would be so appreciated. Whether that is giving myself say 5 1/2 minutes to read the passages instead of 4 etc, etc.

Since I am on the logic game section right now I was wondering what you think I should be giving myself time wise to do the problem sets and any other drilling I may do. Whether that be per question or per set etc.

Please let me know how you feel is the best way for me to prepare under these conditions. And also please don't hesitate to ask me for any more details you may need in answering my questions. Thank you very much.

I dont have any specific analysis as to what my confusion with PSAs are. I dont really have a trend of getting a lot of them wrong but I think I could do better. I'm going back through the PSA section in the CC and I take too long on each question. I dont have a specific method for going about it. I'm trying to find the gap in the argument, but then I get confused by the ACs not being phrased quite the same as the stim. I think that, when treating the question like an SA doesnt work, I spend too much time trying to piece each AC into the stim. to see how it fits instead of honing in on the right answer. I cant really answer these off intuition and not quite from logic either so not sure what route to take.

Hey all,

So I was wondering what you guys felt about drilling older RC passages? (PT's 1-40)?

What are some of the biggest differences you feel in those older RC passages and newer ones?

Also, do you feel that older RC passages are less "tight?" I know JY says that some older LR questions are less "tight," meaning that some correct answer choices aren't as "air tight"/vigorous in that they require some small assumptions (whereas newer LR questions are more vigorous and dont make those small assumptions.) Do you feel that the same is true for older RC questions?

Thanks.

This question has me absolutely stumped. It appears that the critic is introducing a paradox (an inferior-rated restaurant is more popular than a superior-rated one) and reconciles it with the fact that the interior one is more convenient. Obvious gap is answer choice B that a convenient location can increase your popularity (albeit it falls short of comparative popularity with other establishments). I've seen some explanations that the critic is not introducing a paradox at all but rather is simply stating a "discrepancy" - one restaurant is better rated than another - and proceeds to explain it with convenience of location thereby making answer D correct. I am simply at a loss of how to interpret the stimulus this way! Especially given that the critic says it is not "surprising" (ie let's reconcile something that IS suprising).

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Hi all-

I started studying for the LSAT in February, and had been making improvements until I plateaued on the last four PTs. On average, I miss about 10 questions on LR in total, and this is where I can make up my most ground. I feel like I am understanding it in untimed work, but when I go to the test my brain just says "seems right enough" and I move on. Does anyone have any suggestions for getting over a plateau, with regards to LR? Especially necessary questions, and questions from 18-23.

Thank you!