I'm stumped on 18. I set my diagram up to have my shelves numbered horizontically and JY sets his up vertically. I got all of the other questions right but I just couldn't figure out 18. Can it just be a coincidence that I got the other questions right and my diagram is just wrong for this passage? Or, am I just missing something in the way that I set up my diagram? My diagram is ok? I'm not getting "w" must be on the 3rd shelf with my diagram.

Hi everyone, Just curious how everyone is doing the problem sets. I am reluctant to actually mark up the preptests used for the problem sets as I don't want to ruin them to use as preptests. How are you guys doing this? I can see that it is slowing me down by not writing on them (taking notes & marking the premise and conclusion) because I find myself having to go back and re-read and trying to memorize more instead. How are you guys doing this? Are you making notes on a separate piece of paper or something?

I had a hard time with this question. What tripped me up was the year/5,000/films/novels/other books. Can some one clarify step by step how to solve this question?

So I did about 8 games today and maybe 3-4 I made the dumbest mistakes and didn't catch them until AC just weren't working right for me. Each time I noticed that a rule would say something like P is in the same group as S. W and Y cannot be in the same group as G, but I'll actually write a completely different letter that's sometimes not even part of the game! Or I'm reading W but I'll write with complete confidence Y. Like wth!! I'm not even burned out. I took a break Saturday and Sunday. I noticed I kept doing the same crap so I was more focused on reading the rules the next time around. The rule said must and I swear I read can't, or vice versa!!! What in the world is happening here??!

LSAT Prep Test 32

October, 2000

Section 3, Questions 19-24

Game 4

2nd Rule States That G Is In Slot 1, So G Cannot Be In Slot 7. Contrposite Is G In Slot 7, Then G Is Not In Slot 1.

Question: Why Is Not A Board With G In Slot 7, But Not In 1?

As I am working through the games, I find myself going over the ideal time and I miss a few of the answers. However, when I redo the games, my speed increases and I get more answers correct, sometimes perfect score.

When I take the LSAT, all of the games will be new to me, so I am worried that my speed and accuracy may be hindered. I am worried!

Should I be worried about this, or is this a normal process when introduced to unfamiliar games during this program?

I have read, and re-read, Mike Kim's explanation on how to approach "Match the Flaw/ Parallel Flaw" questions, and I continue to not identify this correctly...

Any suggestions on how to approach these? I understand it is important to have a strong grasp of the flaw when you enter the questions, but I am consistently wrong in matching conclusions and supports...

Any tricks or obvious tactics would be so helpful!

I am scoring consistently in the LR and LG sections of my PT's, usually -3 total for LR and -0 for LG save some dumb mistakes on occasion that have diminished now that my timing is doing amazing after drilling nearly all LG for 1-38.

BUT- my reading comp just isn't improving nor is it consistent. Sometimes I do pretty well, like -2,-3 and other times I ruin my entire score with like an -8. I am just looking for any guidance that any of you used that led to improvement. Timing and accuracy are both issues for me, I can't seem to get a good internal clock for RC and regularly run out of time.

I know that practice, practice, practice is key but any specific strategies are welcome. I just ordered the Trainer solely for the reading comp lessons because Im that desperate.

Like I said, any tips or strategies that helped you are welcome.

So I took the LSAT this past weekend and there were several procedural errors.

!) 2 students were admitted after the test books and answer sheets had been gicen out and after we had already bubbled in our names and wrote the statement. Nothing was reread to those who came in late.

2) The proctors forgot to tell us when 5 minutes were left for the first 2 sections

3) Because we weren't given the 5 minute warning for sections 1 and 2, one student requested if he could transfer answers from his test book to his answer sheet during the break(apparently he likes to answer all the questions in the book and then go back and fill in the answer sheet, but was unable to do so because he wasn't given the warning) SO DURING THE BREAK THE PROCTOR GAVE HIM HIS TEST BOOK AND ANSWER SHEET AND LET HIM WORK ON IT FOR ALMOST 10 MINUTES

4)Several people brought phones which were confiscated. However the phones were not turned off and several times they went off with emergency alerts( Took the test in Carolinas where it is flooding)

I'm about to enroll in 7Sage and I've been going through the free-trial as of now, however I’m a bit confused on the phase 2 part of the Memory Method - do you do it again with the same passage immediately after you finished going through all the questions for that passage using the phase 1 technique?

Or is it like so:

Passage 1: Phase 1 technique

Passage 2: Phase 2 technique

Passage 3: Phase 1 technique

Passage 4: Phase 2 technique

Then come back and re-do all of them using only the Phase 2 technique?

Because if we do a passage once then go right back to it with the second phase method, wouldn’t we memorize a lot of the details/answers unless there’s a certain amount of time you recommend to wait before doing the second phase?

Thanks.

Without going into detail, whats the consensus on game 3? Difficult? Easy? Or just time sink?

Lots of people on the TLS forums giving conflicting accounts on it.

How did you do it? I took my 4th timed PT today (pt51). So far LR is my favorite yet most frustrating section. I try to finish the first 15 in 15min, but I get bogged down doing the first 1-12. I didn't finish on time and ended up not answering about 3 questions.

I somewhat have the accuracy because although I barely manage to finish LR, I tend to get -3 or -4 wrong per section.

If you were in my position at one point in time, what did you do to get to a point where you are finishing early without suffering accuracy?

Hey 7sagers, long-time lurker, first-time poster. Always appreciated the honest feedback and support I see on this site.

Long story short: I took the test for the second time on Saturday after getting just below 170 on my first take. I nailed the experimental LG but took too long on game 2 of the real LG and it threw off the rest of the section; I remember having to straight up guess on ~1-4 questions and "educated guess" (down to a couple answer choices) on ~3-5. My memory's honestly super vague on exactly what happened. It sucks because I legitimately thought I killed the rest of the test.

My question: what do I do? I'm aiming for a 175+ and after all the practice I did, I was very confident going in (was scoring around there on PTs and killing LG). It's my second take, so the serious options seem to be keep -> see what I get -> retake a third time if necessary, or cancel -> retake a third time. I'm just not sure which option looks better / is better, and still a little foggy-headed from what happened.

Any advice is much appreciated.

Can someone please explain this question.

admin note: please don't post full questions on the forums!

Just took the nondisclosed test overseas. Had LG as experimental. Trying to sort which games was real. Anyone else take nondisclosed version? Thanks :)

Hello J.Y.,

I want to start by saying that you are absolutely amazing. Your methods for solving logic games are the most efficient out of any class/tutors that I'v encountered, your logical reasoning techniques are unmatched, and you have a great method to attack reading comp while most LSAT prep out there hardly even mentions it (implicating that your reading comp score is what it is). That being said, I just recently took the October LSAT. I purchased your prep course about 4 months before the test and was only able to complete about 70% of it, I really did do the best I possibly could. However, I actually went into the test feeling rather confident about my abilities, I had scored in the high 150s to low 160s on some previous prep tests but for some reason I would have a lingering prep test here and there that I would absolutely bomb, horribly. Im talking like scoring 15 or so points lower than my average score. So although I was scoring decently high on practice tests prior to the October LSAT, I still was rather nervous about the possibility that I would have one of "those" bad scores on the real test day. Anyways long story short my fear came true and I was not even half way through logic games when the proctor announced "there are 5 minutes remaining" (major bummer). So I am taking it again in December. I have simply put too much time and wasted too much energy to just give up on this now, and honestly I feel like I have way too good of an understanding of the test to accept a score that is as low as the score I probably got yesterday! I want to study for the next two months or so before the December LSAT, I will do whatever it takes to succeed on this test, I am not a quitter. Like I said, I have completed between 60% and 70% of your course, taken about 10 prep tests, and tried my best to blind review exactly as you instructed. I have also read the entire book and done all the homework for the LSAT Trainer. My question is, given the amount of prep I have already done, what do you think is the best course of action to best prepare me for the December LSAT in a couple months? I would really appreciate any advice you can give me!

Thanks,

Doug G.

There it was, staring back at me, a giant albatross of a mistake. As I confidently marked down the final LG answer as time expired, I look and realize, I'm marking bubble on row 24. This section only had 23 questions. Where did I go wrong? Did I skip a line? No. Did I double up? What happened?

And thus ended my chances at enjoying the possible post-LSAT high. Months and months of work and studying and prepping and a Scantron is going to be my doom.

See you all again next year.

Does anyone else feel completely uncertain about how they did? I feel like I could have a 10 point band in my score.

I took my first LSAT exam in Hong Kong (the test was different from US tests) today and got panicked in the first section since the last game was EXTREMELY hard.

I found that it was experimental afterward, but at that time I was so panicked and hardly focus on the next LR section in early questions.

Thankfully I could manage myself to become a usual pace as time passes, but due to initial panic I was running out of time in the LR section (2nd section).

The 4th section was LG again. It was very difficult (although not insanely hard as the first experimental one) and I made some silly unusal mistakes in the first two easy games so couldn't have enough time at the last game and made a random guess for four to five questions.

Since I usually kill LG section (I got all questions right nine out of ten and got wrong at most two), this unexpected situations in LG screwed up my exam.

Unfortunately I did only a few full time tests as practice and I think this was a big problem for me.

Well, at least I learned lots of lessons from my first exam and now know what I should do for my second lsat exam in February.

So I just need advice for score cancellation.

I am ultimately targeting 176+ and I have solved about 20 PTs and for recent 10 PTs my scores have been from 172 to 177.

For this October exam, I was targeting 170+.

But since I did very bad in LG, which I usually kill, and panicked in one LR section, my expectation for the score is mid to late 160s .(can be worse if my panic was worse than I am thinking now...)

In this situation, I am feeling it might be better to cancel the score since it is definitely not reaching my target score.

Can you guys give me some advice on this? Would there by any drawbacks in canceling score?

Also, just curious, is LG getting more difficult in very recent exams?

I just wonder I failed it because I wasn't in usual pace or just LG is getting way harder.

I couldn't solve PTs from 71, but for PTs in 50s and 60s I feel the difficulty level was lower than the actual exam.

I'm scared that maybe I bubbled my LG section wrong, simply because I needed to skip around between games, and I can't remember if I properly ended on #23. It is probably just my OCD side acting out, but I guess some reassurance would be nice. Do other people have this same worry?

1. Is there a limit to the number of pencils we can bring to the testing center or have on our desk during the test?

My mom gave me a weird look as I sharpened my ~20 pencils and I double-checked the guidelines which say we "must bring... (3) three or four sharpened No. 2 or HB pencils, with good erasers." I take it that this doesn't mean that we can ONLY bring 3/4?

2. Does chapstick count as a "medical product"? :P

Seriously though, I'm kind of addicted to it. I jokingly say that my greatest LSAT success wasn't (finally) getting -0 on Logic Games or (finally) breaking 170, but rather managing to go an entire section without putting on chapstick. I can definitely live without it tomorrow, but it'd be nice to have it on me...just in case.

Like I said, these are dumb questions and I'm not stressing over them. But it'd be nice to know now vs. tomorrow.

Thanks and good luck everyone!

I just recently decided to take the LSAT and I am studying for the Dec. test. I am nervous that I will not be ready for the Dec. test and end up taking the Feb. test. For personal reasons, I really want to start school in Fall 2016 and not wait another year. My top two school choices both are still accepting applications until the beginning of April and one is accepting until May. However, both are on rolling admissions, which I know significantly will lower my chances.

I guess I need some guidance if it is unrealistic to think that applying that late in the game will still get me in for the upcoming Fall. Taking the test in February would give me more time to prepare and I would most likely get a higher LSAT score but it puts me applying so late in the process.

Any advice or opinions is greatly appreciate!

Can someone break this one down? I don't see how B is incorrect, and I don't see how E is correct. Isn't one of the flaws in the argument a past to present flaw (line 6)? Doesn't B call this assumption out that an education party could be different than what has been historically true?

Also, for E, I eliminated it because I thought it strengthened the argument! Isn't the conclusion that the education party isn't going to be viable in the long run? The percent of people is too low for historical standards, and stating that even fewer people would join the party would strengthen that support right? Isn't that what answer choice E does?

To lighten the mood for all of us before our exam on Saturday!! Feel free to share jokes for all of us to enjoy.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jameskicksa/35-signs-you-are-studying-for-the-lsat-b2tp#.xq0yPPQPX

GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE ON SATURDAY...not that you need it because you all have wasted away in a desk for the last few months studying hard to get a good score ;)

This LR section killed me. I spent all day BRing questions 22, 24, and 26 in this section. This is another one that I am just lost on. I eliminated every answer choice, so I pretty much guessed 1/5 on this one. Can someone break this one down completely?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-47-section-1-question-22/