http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-57-section-1-game-1/

I am confused about #5 on prep test 57 logic game #1. It is a substitution question type where it asks us to substitute M --> L (rule 3).

I watched the 7sage explanation video and did not understand it at all. I then tried to figure out why the answer choice is C. I looked at all the diagrams I have written out for the game and compared it to answer choices. Whatever that was not a Must Be True answer choice, I eliminated and that's how I figured out it would be C.

I then looked up the explanation on Manhattan blog and the person was saying we need to find an answer choice that still gives us M ---> L with all the other original rules remaining in effect.

I guess I'm confused about one thing in substitution questions. When it asks us to substitute a rule and keep the other rules in effect, is that another way of saying which one of the answer choices still gives you M ---> L? So are we not substituting the M ---> L? Are we essentially still looking for an answer choice that will give us M ---> L?

Hey, everyone. When you do the PTs for the second time (about 6 months after the first take), do you think a improvement in scores entails a genuine improvement or just that I remember the questions?

I am currently scoring -8 on LR, -2 to -4 on LG, but -15 on RC (Best of - 12).

With 2 weeks left. Do you guys suggest I work entirely on RC? People told me to work more on LR since it is two sections but RC is really killing my score...

My goal is to get above 160 (raw score 70) and right now my raw score is around 60ish. I have been working primarily on my LR by drilling and reviewing the videos but the score does not seem to be changing as much. I assume since my RC score is SO bad, I would have much more room for improvement. Is two weeks enough?

Anyone who has had similar experiences in RC please give me some advice. Thanks!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-54-section-2-question-26/

I'm confused between C and D. I chose D because I just felt it made more sense, but I still have no idea why D is a better answer than C.

Does the conclusion also make sense if C is an answer just like D?

And if this question is about a necessary assumption instead of a sufficient assumption, can C be an answer?

Please someone enlighten me. Thanks!

Anyone else find they are making stupid mistakes on Logical Reasoning...?

I usually score between -6 to -8 on these sections when I do them timed.

Once I complete a Logical Reasoning section I re-print the section and do all the questions un-timed as Blind Review, without looking at the answer choices I circled before. (I still do the questions fairly quickly)

I find that when I go over them a second time, I only get 3-4 wrong... Does anyone else have this problem?

Any steps I can take to get these right on the first attempt? There seems to be no pattern as to the questions types that I am missing.

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Hi guys,

I would like to know which games are usually harder(and/or time consuming) among 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th. So far, I have seen 1st game is usually easier, and 3rd one is harder. Sometimes, 4th one is also harder. My problem is, while taking timed PT, somehow, if I pick up a harder one as 1st or 2nd game, then I cannot answer all questions( i.e., I cannot complete the last game, which might be even easier, and I end up getting lower score instead). Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Hello 7sages,

I found it's very time-consuming if I have to copy game boards to next page, especially there's more than 2 game boards (for example, PT 41, G1 and G2)

Does "to write fast and accurately" the only to overcome this obstacle?

Thanks for your help!

I'm really starting to worry.. 3 months ago I was scoring in the 150s. I've studied extensively since. Over time that got up to 160, and over the course of the next four tests, my score remained in the 160s, my highest of which was a 167. My next PT dropped to 159, but there were a couple bubbling errors I had made, so my actual raw score put me at 160. But then my most recent test, which I took earlier today, was a 156! That's what I would've gotten 3 months ago! And I've been working so hard and feel like I've made MAJOR improvements. And it's not like my studying has slowed or anything recently. I've kept up with it and have been focusing on issue areas. I think I may just need to get better at timing/pacing myself, because I do run out of time with each section. I'm not really sure what to think. All I know is that I'm extremely frustrated and nervous. Is this happening to anyone else?

Hi all,

Curious about your thoughts on how often and under what circumstances you turn LR questions into "lawgic" diagrams. I find that in a lot of cases, even when I see conditional relationships or logical indicators, I get to the answer faster without drawing them out. Or, at least sometimes, when I do draw out the relationships, it doesn't necessarily help me answer the question and I feel like I've just wasted a bunch of precious precious time.

Appreciate your thoughts and advice!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-16-section-1-game-3/

Q.18 - The correct answer choice is A - RSRT. Rule # 3 says every R has atleast 1 T adjacent to it. In order for this to be correct, the S in this answer choice should be a T. Therefore, the only correct choice I can see is E - TSRT. Can you please confirm?

Do you go to a library where some noise might occur? Do you stay at home with ear plugs and no one else home? Do you use mechanical pencils or wooden pencils? J.Y. said that when PTing we should simulate testing conditions as much as we possibly can. This ranges from possibly using the room we may take the test in, to using wooden #2 pencils instead of mechanical (which sucks because mechanical feels so much better in my hands).

If you're studying to retake the exam, what felt out of place on test day? Was it random noise from other people? Did they make constant noises such as erasing, ticking off answers loudly, or whisper to themselves? I'm curious, because these were my problems, and although they did not fully contribute to my poor score, I feel the noises played a part. Also, in my opinion, a good portion of the test is being able to stay focused and not get irritated/unfocused when people are doing quirky things.

Can anyone please help me how to negate the conditional statement?

If a statement is "if you get 180 on LSAT, your chances of getting into T3 increase," how would I negate this? Thank you so much for your help guys.

All, i have seen differing opinions on this, and i did try to search for previous discussion threads....

What is, in your opinion, the best way: reading the question stem first, or reading the LR stimulus..?

I understand the difference between either or and either or but not both

I am confused about the diagramming aspect and not sure if my way is correct

Either or (implies possibly both)

So, I think of this in negative terms (absence of a sufficient condition)

not A -> B

not B -> A

A -> may or may not have B (so AB is also possible)

versus

Either or but not both

So, I think of this in positive terms (presence of sufficient condition)

A -> not B

B -> not A

In this case, there no other possibility (both AB can never be possible)

Is there a way to show this using double sided arrows or double not arrows? I am confused about that.

I know that double sided arrows ((--)) are used for biconditionals like "if and only if" and "if but only if"

and double not arrows ((-I-)) are used for neither nor

Is my reasoning correct?

Somehow I think that I have gotten myself mixed up with all this conditional logic stuff

I am confused between the difference of these two forms of conditional logic

not A -> B

not B -> A

versus

A -> not B

B -> not A

Do both forms above really mean either or, but not both?

In one of the games explanations, I remember coming across a point that starting with a negative term as the sufficient condition, meaning where the absence of a sufficient condition guarantees a necessary condition is somehow different than starting with a positive term for the sufficient where the presence of a sufficient condition guarantees the necessary condition. BUT I am having trouble seeing if there is a difference in the meaning of the above two forms and hat kinds of inference I can make from them.

Can someone please clarify this? I am really confused.

Thanks,

Pamela

Hey guys! Just wondering if there are any fellow 7Sagers in Paris that are planning on taking the test in Feb! Thanks!

Even though I went with a different prep company than 7sage, I learned how to do the games faster from 7sage. However, I am still struggling with timing. It's takes me 9-14 minutes to do one game whether it's easy or not. One game used to take me the whole 35 minutes so I am improving but I don't know if I am doing this the right way. Here is how I do it:

First I'll do the game by timing myself

Then I watch how 7sage did it and see if Jay made any inferences that I didn't make. Usually it's the same inferences but he does 1 or 2 things differently when starting off the game which makes the time difference between how I do it and Jay does it.

So I try to redo the game again using the same way Jay set up the game which does reduce the time but then I go onto a new game using what I learned from 7sage and the same trouble again with timing. Ugh what am I doing wrong?

Hi there, Does anyone find that it is more difficult to determine whether or not an argument is valid using the 'lawgic' method than it is to simply read the question?

I took both the September and December 2014 LSAT administrations, and I got a 171 each time. In both instances, I got a -5 on the logic games, which really killed me. I have been doing the foolproof method religiously for 6 months now, and in the weeks before my December LSAT, I was doing 30 games a day. I felt comfortable and really thought I would get a -1 or -0 on the section. Instead, I got -5. The story was very similar for September (although I was only doing about 15 games per day for that one).

In my preparation I did fully simulated practice tests for September 06 onward, and got -0 on games six different times, -1 or 2 five times, and -5 or more on three tests (June 10, Oct 12, and Dec 12). The games seem to have gotten harder for me in some recent tests.

I have done every single game from Preptest 1 onward, and I've done many of those 13+ times. All the games are familiar to me by now. I'm always -2 or better on each LR section, and -3 or better on RC. LG is really holding me back.

I was wondering if you guys had any ideas for how I can get better. I am willing to try anything. I think it's possible that I get time-pressured a bit, and coupled with the pressure of the actual exam, stop making deductions as clearly and resort more to "brute force". Also, there is an intimidation factor of seeing a brand new game, whereas now I'm practicing with games I know I've done before. I'm planning to take the LSAT for a third time in February (I have already submitted my apps), because I know I can do better than a 171 --- my average on 14 fully simulated Preptests was over 176, which included 2 consecutive 180's. One idea I had was to start doing four games at once in only 24 minutes in order to train with the pressure of reduced time. And also maybe do some fake new games I find online. But again, I'm just looking for any tips or insight. I'm willing to try ANYTHING.

I originally wanted to sit for the sept lsat but my brother died and I just couldnt get back to studying. I have been studying consistently since november. I purchased the 7sage starter pack around the second week in december. My plan was to take the Feb Lsat. The holiday break set me back a week. I havent taken a practice test since nov and I am concerned that If I register for the exam and won't begin taking pt until next week that I won't be ready to tests. I am not working so I have been studying about 6- 8 hours a day. I have a family and I have been using this time to study but I will eventully have to get a job to begin to pay for all the lsat apps and etc. My family and friends say I should just take the exam being that I currently have the time and free schedule to do it, beacuse once I get a job I will have to juggle family, work, and lsat study time. Im just confused beacuse I dont want to waste an exam and limit myself. I really wanted to start law school in the fall as well. I dont have the money in my budget to pay additional fees. I would appreciate as much advice as possible.

So my relationship with the LSAT has unfortunately been long. In college, I was determined not to/freaked out about taking a couple years off after school--which meant I had to get the LSAT done before I graduated. My initial diagnostic was a 157 and at the height of my PTs I was scoring in the mid to high 160's, my highest being a 167 (this was also before I took 7sage). I was scoring well for my goal (168-170) but was still over the time limit on each section by a couple minutes. But being the neurotic person I am, instead of pushing the test back--I took it. Weeks before the test my PT scores were fluctuating all over the place from a 166 here to a 155 there and that only made me more nervous (I have anxiety in case you couldn't tell). Anyways, test day roles around and I ended up with a 153--BELOW MY INITIAL DIAGNOSTIC. I was heartbroken--and still am. Anyways now my confidence is totally shot and I'm about to start taking PTs again so I was wondering if anyone has any tips on managing stress before and during the test and whether my goal of a 168-170 seems reasonable. Thanks a bunch in advance for all the help, I love this discussion board so far!

With my account access, I have access to test content from the early 2000's to 2009. But RC passages that use the comparative Passage A, Passage B format aren't until the later years. Should I still be using the earlier tests as practice for RC? Does anyone have any suggestions? or know where I can access to some of these type of RC passages?

Cheers,

Mark

I would first like to hear from anyone who has already taken the LSAT about strategy/time management. Was there a certain way that you practiced, or did you have a certain strategy going into the test, but then sat down to take it, and something went wrong? I guess I'm wondering if there are certain management strategies that one should have really nailed down to avoid any crisis situations. For example, I practiced with an analogue watch for the first time the other day, and I didn't even get to the last 5 logical reasoning questions, which has never happened before. Glad that didn't happen on test day.

Next - on my first diagnostic test I scored a 150. From there I went to a 157, 158, 159, 160, 161, 162, then 163 (I'm not kidding, it really happened that way). Ideally I want a 167, but it seems like during my study sessions I'm stuck at around 162/163. Does anyone have any suggestions for how to improve upon time management in the final month of studying? I'm wondering if I should go back to what I did in the beginning, and have a few study sessions where I do everything untimed. But maybe this is a waste of precious final-month study time. Please let me know any ideas?

Lastly - on my first diagnostic I got 11/23 on the logic games.. So I tackled logic games first in my study plan. After a month of studying just logic games, I was getting 18, 19, or 20s out of 23. Once I got 23/23. But now, it seems like I'll either get a 21/23 or I will completely bomb the section and get 15 or 16. Has this happened to anyone else? These test makers drive me crazy. I decided I couldn't risk getting a 15 on test day, so I've embraced the strategy of focusing most of the time on just 3 games. This way I pretty much guarantee about an 18, and then I'll spend a few minutes on the last game and pray I get a couple of them right, putting me at 20. With only a month left to go, this strategy seems like a rational way to go, but it still kind of bums me out that I'm not going for a perfect LG score. I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts on this.

Anyone want to do practice test in the UBC area in Vancouver? perhaps a day or two a week up until the February test date. Please reply here or send me an email! b.munich8@gmail.com

Thanks!