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Do the number of problem sets we're given for different types of LR questions reflect the frequency in which we will see them on actual LSAT tests? For example, we are given 24 Flaw/Descriptive Weakening sets, but only 3 AP sets. Does that mean that on actual LSAT tests that there are likely to be more Flaw questions?

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So for the past couple of PTs I took, I always did well on the first LR section (avg -2) and got a couple more wrong on the second LR section (avg -4 to even -6). I noticed that on the second LR I get even some of the easiest questions wrong. This doesn't happen when I take a long break between my first LR and second LR. Also, I tried taking the second LR first and the first LR later, and the same thing happened. I scored better on the first LR section I took, even though it was technically the second LR section. I'm assuming this is because I get worn out and lose concentration. Any advice on how to fix this?

P.S. My LR BR score is about -2 in total.

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A while back I completed the "Introduction to Logic Games & Sequencing Games" and "Sequencing Games with a Twist" sections of the CC. I was struggling, so I decided to foolproof the games in those sections before moving on in the curriculum. I went with the Pacifico attack strategy for foolproofing, because it seemed straightforward and organized.

As of now, I have finished foolproofing all the games in the "Introduction to Logic Games & Sequencing Games" section, and most of the games in "Sequencing Games with a Twist".

I have come across the following issue: On my second attempt at the game (after watching the video), I usually do pretty well and may even hit the target time. My third attempt (the next day) is pretty good as well, usually even better than the second attempt. However, when I attempt the game for the 4th time, (a week later) I either get questions wrong or I exceed the target time. It seems that I easily forget how to efficiently make the inferences. Therefore, I am currently at a bit of a loss regarding what I should do next.

Any advice would be sincerely appreciated!

TID

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Hi everyone,

I've been struggling to improve for a few months now and can't seem to get more than 18 right in a logic game section. I've done all the lessons in the core curriculum and regularly do the foolproof method. I still can't finish all four games completely. I know my issue isn't understanding the fundamental concepts because I'll complete the most difficult games without any error but then get a few wrong on the simplest games.

It's been frustrating and I was hoping the experts on here could give me a few tips to push past this plateau.

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So, I'm taking the December LSAT (my second test) and have just seen hardly any improvement on reading comprehension. I do well on the questions but hardly ever finish in time and end up guessing on most of the final passage. Any last minute tips to speed up??

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Hey everyone-

I am going through the core curriculum for the second time (a year apart) and had an idea I'm playing with and think is helpful.

I started fool proofing both solving the game completely (as JY often does in his video) and never splitting the board. I realized that when under time pressure, I may not see all of the inferences that lead to a full and complete solve, but I still need to find the correct answers in a timely manner.

For an idea of how this looks from a process standpoint:

  • Logic game, timed/raw

  • Check answers and watch JY's video

  • Do logic game again until I can find all of the inferences and answer all of the questions correctly

  • If I was not able to split the game board effectively on my first time through, do the logic game again but test my ability to find the correct answers without the help of a fully solved game board.

    • *Repeat until I can answer all of the questions correctly and well under time without the fully solved game board.

    After doing this, I felt there was another skill set being developed and felt less flat footed going into games if I couldn't fully solve a game board.

    I am going to provide these caveats...

  • Solving the game board completely almost always makes answering the questions easier.

  • Solving the game board completely almost always makes it more likely your answer is correct.

  • Solving the game board completely almost always is faster.

    • What do you guys think? Anyone else experiment with doing this?

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    I am having a hard time spotting the right answer for NA questions. Can someone provide a way of attacking the answer choices? I always negate the answer choice to see if it destroys the argument, but I don't think I am doing it right. I keep falling for a trick answer choice. #HELP

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    Let me first say that I was granted 50% extra time for the LSAT so I'm still getting used to the difference. My last test was a 165 with 23/26 LR, 23/25 LR, 16/23 LG, 21/27 RC. I feel really confident about LR for the most part but 3 of the questions I missed were strengthening questions so I'll definitely drill those. I actually misread one of the logic games that was stacked traits and totally bombed it with 2/7 for that game but I'll also drill those to make sure I don't make that mistake again and if I would've understood the game I'm fairly confident I would've gone 20-21/23 in that LG section. HOWEVER, the RC is screwing me up big time. It is SO difficult for me to get any type of improvement in RC. I am so stuck and not sure where to go even with accommodations I am absolutely unsure how to approach RC passages sometimes. Should I just drill them like any other game? How about Reviewing the RC? I see tangible improvement in everything but RC I feel like.

    Edit: I also should note that its mainly Humanities and Social Sciences passages that I feel especially challenging.

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    hey all,

    i know for LR, the usual benchmark is spend 1 minute per question (for 15 in 15, 25 in 25). And If you're at 1 minute and still can't get it, just skip it.

    for RC, what's the benchmark in terms of how much time to spend on a question?

    For RC, I've heard of ppl view this by thinking of "processes" (read all AC, reread question stem, go back to passage, and if still can't get it, then skip). They focus on "processes" instead of time.

    The challenge, though, is there are some RC questions (like the REALLY LONG analogy questions that take up half a page where the question stem is a a paragraph long and each answer choice is a paragraph long), where just reading the question stem and all the AC's takes like 3 minutes.

    Should I just skip these REALLY long RC questions, or just dive in them and spend 3 minutes on them?

    Any advice or suggestions appreciated. Thank you!

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    Hello 7Sagers,

    I am currently working on weaken questions and I am having a hard time understanding the task. I understand that I am supposed to focus on the conclusion, but find the gap between the premises and conclusion ( with the ac) that will weaken the argument. However, it is hard for me to do this accurately because i feel its too much in my head and i get confused. What are some strategies you all use to stop yourselves from getting confused. Do you focus only on weakening the conclusion or something else? Can i think of weakening questions in another way?

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    I need help diagramming statements (with contrapositives) with keywords like: some, most, few, many, none, no one. I am having troubles answering Must be True questions on LR section that has those keywords. And, do I always translate such statements in if/then format or is there instances when it is not applicable?

    (example question that throw me off with these keywords is Q12, Section 2, PT23. How can they use "weak local government" as sufficient without negating it when the FL structure in stimulus makes it necessary? and if that is possible, why D is incorrect then compared to the correct answer B?)

    Thank you!

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    Is it recommended to do the: 1) Introduction to Logic (8.2h), and 2) Advanced Logic (2.1h) sections of the Syllabus BEFORE jumping into the Intro to Logic Games & Sequencing and the rest of the LG topics?

    I signed up for 7sage's LSAT starter with the intent of studying Logic Games (LG). I'm primarily using the LSAT Trainer's program and have found it tremendously helpful for the RC and LR sections. I want to ensure that I remain efficient and effective in how I train, all while simultaneously seeking ways to be multiplicative in the different LSAT topics I study. (I hope I am making sense)

    **(Disclaimer: I started studying for the LSAT on June 6th, 2018 with the LSAT Trainer and completed the first 18 Lessons. I had some life challenges that took me away from studying. I resumed LSAT preparation with the LSAT Trainer on October 6th, 2018 but decided to start from Lesson 1. I'm about a quarter of the way through the entire book.

    I've taken off the next five weeks from work to train up for the Nov LSAT to give myself the most time.

    I look forward to the perspectives on this forum.

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    I’ve found my RC scores often depend on how quickly I’m able to complete “easy” passages. Is there a general time you high RC scorers aim for when it comes to the easiest passages? I feel like I should be able to do them in around 5 minutes but typically it takes around 6:30.

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    Hi guys so I review my logic games with the 7 sage videos on Youtube, but something I found I have difficulty with is determining or knowing when to use sub game boards. I have found that sometimes I have made them and they dnt require which confuses me. I try to think that of there is a variable that is limited to 2 or 3 positions to create sub game boards, but this has backfired on me a couple times.I appreciate any help or advice! Thank you

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    Are there any 7Sage, Reddit or other discussions/tutorials/lessons about translating English to Lawgic?

    The Lawgic lessons were so easy for me to grasp. Super easy. Then I watch some LR videos where YC transfers English to Lawgic and it doesn’t click what so ever. On super simple LR questions in the CC I would find the correct answer by simply thinking about the words and what I need to do. I then try to transfer it into Lawgic and my markings are not similar to YC’s. When YC chains multiple things it doesn’t click why a sufficient on one would be the necessary on another.

    I’ve noticed many comments in the CC of people also having hard time with common threads of “when do I use Lawgic?” As well as plenty of people that totally dismiss Lawgic except in the hardest of LR questions so it seems I am not alone.

    When do you use Lawgic in LR?

    Do you consistently transfer English to Lawgic when you do?

    Are there any resources you recommend?

    Or is this simply experience with trial and error?

    I can see a significant benefit by translating English to Lawgic but only if it is consistently accurate.

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    Looking for a group of motivated individuals who want to learn, progress, and prioritize the LSAT. People who can forge together and keep each other accountable on studying and practicing. I graduated from U of M -Dearborn with a BA in English Literature and double Minor in Criminal Justice and Writing. I'd be willing to help with personal statements in our study group as well.

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    So, like many of my fellow 7Sage friends out there I took the September 2018 test and probably went -2 or -3 lower than my average PT score. I already decided to retake weather or not by some chance my actual LSAT score is around my average or even possibly above (by some miraculous act of god). Being entirely open, I suck at RC and my LR is below average. My LG is solid and I feel most confident in this section. My "general" plan is to take about two solid weeks to only do RC. I want to try to do 50-60 RC passages a week during this time and review each thoroughly. After I plan to drill LR for another two weeks and do some RC during this time frame also. I will be around three to four weeks out from test day at this point and plan to PT a few exams and do thorough review generally. I have taken roughly 28-30 PT's already at this point and know how to "flow" through a test and how to handle all the different "situations" that the LSAT can throw; I really am just trying to gather a deeper comprehension at this point. I'm really just trying to see if anyone has any opinions they could throw my way ! Thank you, and good luck to all :)

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    Apologize in advance if this has been touched upon, but I was wondering how long it took for you guys to see significant improvements in reading comp from the memory method/any other tips that helped you along the way with it?

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    I've been doing some drills to understand my LR process better because I feel like some questions make me incredibly and irrecoverably slow but when I look at them again, I see the point real quick. So my question here is, if any of you have tried this, how long do you take per average on easy/medium questions vs how long do you take per average on hard/hardest question. Or, do you take longer on a particular Q.type?

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    Hello fellow 7sagers,

    I am feeling a bit discouraged, as the LG Section has been destroying my confidence and overall my score. As a whole, I am pretty solid on on the RC and LR sections, but the LG section has been holding me back. My problem is i cannot identify which game board to use via the word problem prompt. I am somewhat confident in my abilities to solve the problem but getting to the game board and knowing which one to use has been difficult. I have been scoring on average -11 to -16 on LG sections. Anyone have any tips or advice on how to decipher these prompts in order to identify which game board to use?

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    I created a 22 question PT for myself, but I am unsure how to locate the Video explanation of the questions. I am looking to find the video for each question explaining why an answer was correct or not correct. Thank you

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    Biologist's argument: DF (deforestation continues at its present pace) -> KAE (the koala will approach extinction)

    Politician's argument: /DF (stop deforestation) -> /KAE (save the koala)

    So the politician's argument is a mistaken negation of the biologist's argument.

    (A) is wrong because we do not know whether deforestation continues at its "present pace" so we do not know whether this is consistent with the biologist's claim.

    (B) is right because even though deforestation is stopped, the koala could go extinct because deforestation could have stopped as a result of complete destruction of forests.

    (C) is wrong because no one talks about reforestation.

    (D) is wrong because it is consistent with the politician's argument rather than the biologist's

    (E) is wrong because the biologist's argument says that the koala does not approach extinction only if deforestation does not continue at its present pace

    Is my explanation correct for this question? Could anyone add explanation for this question? Thanks

    Admin note: edited title; please use the format of PTx.Sx.Qx. Existing threads on PT2.S2.Q11: (1); (2)

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