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I'm a relatively high-scoring pretest taker (average score 174.7 on my 10 most recent preptests), but it feels like I sometimes struggle with basic structure questions. Case in point, for PT 105 S3 Q4 I selected answer choice A, rather than the correct answer E. After going back and reviewing the question, I can see how E would make sense, but in the moment I seem to find such questions difficult. This seems to carry over to other basic structure questions (such as PT108, S1, Q4). Does anyone have any tips on avoiding structural question pitfalls?

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Take a minute to answer this question in the poll before continuing. This question is EVIL!!!! It may not seem so at first, but allow me to unpack the various tricks they use to make a rather simple question very tricky.

I initially picked A, and ill explain my reasoning behind it. I read first that this is an inferrence statement, so immediately my mind is looking to fill in a logical hole. As I scan through the passage, my mind comes to this, "Why is it necessary to not build an incinerator to prevent waste? What if the incinerator is not used? What about other methods of disposal?" Then I see answer A, "All of the city's trash that is not recycled goes into the incinerators." This feels great! This fills in a hole in my mind about the waste, and clearly makes this argument complete. Trash either is recycled or put in the incinerator, so lets not build an incinerator. This is a great answer for a support/strengthen question, and it feeeeeels like it completes the logic of the argument. However, this one is wrong! Not only does it retread the ground of what happens to recycling when an incinerator is rebuilt(making this statement unnecessary), no where does the argument support this!!!! DON'T FORGET THE QUESTION STEM!!! We are looking for something we could logically conclude from the passage above, not looking to fix the passage in any way. Once you remember that, the question is obviously wrong.

The other dangerous thing about this question is that the answer, D, looks awful. It uses very, very strong language of CANNOT and ANY. It uses the exact same language of the passage, which usually indicates a wrong answer. It elaborates on only one premise, instead of the whole passage, and it ignores the conclusion. Terrible!!! However, if you read it carefully, its pretty easy to prove. If the city is to avoid(avoid is a rather low bar) wasting resources, huge amounts of trash cannot be burned in any city incinerator. Looking at the rest of the passage, this is clear from the burn = waste. Some burning = some waste, so to avoid waste we avoid burning. Simple!

This one is correct, but it takes dodging a lot of traps to get to it. Be careful! The LSAT creators are clever and will lay many traps to stop you!

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Which type of drilling mode for LR is the most accurate/ close to the actual LSAT? The options are:

1)7Sage Virtual Tutor picks

2) Particular tags

3) Tags and PrepTests

4) Incorrect when last taken (PrepTests)

5) Incorrect when last taken (Autobuilder)

Which option should I select? I usually do option one, but I feel like its practice sections always consist mainly of 3-4 question types. For example, I will generate a practice section with made up of mostly Flaw, Parallel, and Method of Reasoning, while no Sufficient Assumption, RRE, MSS, etc., appear at all. Is this what LR sections are like on actual LSATs?

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Hello!

I was wondering if we took the LSAT this June and submitted a writing sample, will we have to write a new writing sample for the August 2024 exam? (Since the format is changing a little bit)

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I initially chose C. This is a good trap answer, a very good trap answer indeed. The trap comes when they say that rural people communicate less. The passage talks about communicating ELETRONICALLY less, not communicating less in general. If you read this quickly, it makes perfect sense. Rural people communicate less electronically, so answer C is correct. However, because answer C is missing electronically, it is wrong. This is very sneaky!!!

Answer A is a classic difficult answer. It perfectly summarizes, which is the job of a good principle answer, but it does so in verbose language that is different from the passage.

Answer B is irrrelevant and introduces new information

Answer D is irrelevant and introduces new information,

Answer E is irrelevant and introduces new information

Watch out! Trap answers are very sneaky!

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I picked C initially. I picked this answer because when the question mentions "malicious" my brain starts thinking for reasons why the toddler is not morally wrong in this situation. While this could be a decent explanation of the first sentence, it falls flat for the second. Additionally, WE DON'T DISCUSS ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR. This is really important: for principle questions, you are not going to get new information in the answers. It must be a general summary or explanation of the passage, not with new information.

Question A is right, it summarizes the passage well.

Question B is about attention, which isn't relevant

Question D is about ends, which isn't mentioned

Question E is about effectiveness, which isn't mentioned

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Hey 7Sagers,

Here's the official June 2024 LSAT Discussion Thread.

REMINDER: Under your Candidate Agreement, you may not discuss the details of any specific LSAT questions at any time. For the June 2024 LSAT, general discussion of what sections you had, or how difficult you found a given section, or speculation about which sections were scored or unscored, is prohibited until after 9pm ET, Tuesday, June 11th.

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    I'm scheduled to take my first test in August and am about 7 points away from my ideal score. My RC is pretty strong and I'm confident that won't weigh me down. But LR is a bit tricky for me, specifically the 4/5 difficulty questions. Obviously that makes sense, they're supposed to be the hardest ones. But I need to start getting more of them right if I want to break through to my target score. Any advice on how to get better at those LR questions?

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    I just want to confirm my understanding on this.

    Are these true?

    If sufficient fails then no valid conclusions about the necessary condition, but if sufficient satisfied or affirmed then it triggers necessary, hence we can have a valid conclusion.

    If necessary fails then it would trigger the sufficient, hence we can have a valid conclusion, but if necessary satisfied or affirmed then no valid conclusion.

    and also whats the best way to memorize this? lol

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    A lot of people who were part of the 170+ were able to reliably get -0 on the logic games section which gave them more room to make mistakes in the other sections. Someone could get -4 RC, -4 LR, and -0 LG and still get a 170. But now, with the section that people could reliably get -0 on removed, how will amount of questions needed to be correct to get to 170 change? Will the curve be more forgiving now that LG, the typical -0 section is gone, and the other sections that are less predictable and have more opportunities to make mistakes (especially RC) are still here?

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    I find the way 7sage goes through the reading comp passages soooo useful. Although I have one problem and do not really know how to navigate it. If I take my time when going through the RC passages and review it the way I learn in the videos, I find myself taking 30 minutes to do 2 passages...and that's just not good.

    How do you guys condense your time reviewing the passages, while using JY's method?

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    kiandana254

    7sage without games

    I plan to take the August 2024 test without the Logic Games, is there any way to take all Games-related info out of my 7 sage to reduce clutter? Thanks

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    I previously chose B and got it wrong. I now see why A is the correct answer.

    The question stated "People would not follow a leader if they felt there was nothing they could gain by following that leader. Therefore, even those leaders who are incompetent or evil bring some good to their followers."

    In lawgic, this translates to "If they felt there was nothing they could gain by following that leader, people would not follow a leader. Therefore, even those leaders who are incompetent or evil bring some good to their followers."

    Nothing to Gain (/GA) --> Not Follow a Leader (/FL). So /GA-->/FL. The contrapositive of this is FL-->GA. (If you follow a leader, then you have something to gain).

    Following Incompetent or Evil Leader (FIEL) --> Bring Some Good (BG). So FIEL-->BSG

  • FL-->GA

  • FIEL-->BSG

    • A most closely matches this.

    (Expound upon theories) EUO-->BT (Believe are True)

    (Any theory expounded) ATE-->GOT (Grain of Truth)

    B talks about worst circumstances and then vicious people. But A sticks with the subject of theories being expounded upon, and the stimulus talks about following leaders.

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    Why is the answer "B" instead of "A?"

    Some historians believe that "the decline in wheat production was due to:"

    1 Excessive irrigation

    2 Lack of drainage

    1 and #2 together lead to salt accumulation, problem #3

    The way I understand it is that wheat production requires too much water, there isn't enough drainage, and salt builds up as a result of these two problems.

    So with answer choice A, if barley requires less water than wheat, then does that strengthen the belief that they solved the too much water to produce problem (#1), the lack of drainage problem since less water needs to be drained (#2), and consequently salt accumulation is not a problem because the two problems causing it no longer are in the picture?

    B, on the other hand, just accounts for salt buildup, but that is only a part of the problem because even if salt buildup doesn't matter anymore, we never accounted for too much water or the lack of irrigation.

    Hopefully that makes sense and I appreciate any help.

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