I am in the process of writing my additional essays beyond my personal statement and could use some other opinions, for example for Wayne State there is an optional essay that can be written and it gives many topics however no information about length or formatting, should I follow the conventions given in their personal statement guidelines? Would it be appropriate to contact the admissions office to ask about this? any advice would be greatly appreciated!

I've experienced a RC score change from -3/-4 (August and September) to -9/-10 (October and November) in timed sections and PTs. My timing for passages have been off as I'm finding it harder to synthesize the information despite review. On passage that I've retaken from early in my study, I'm doing worse than before and getting more questions wrong. Has anyone else experienced something similar with their scores?

Not much has changed in my study routine. I've studied very consistently since July but have placed less emphasis on RC this past month / month and a half. (On the plus, my LR is getting better.) Regardless, I find it strange that my score has gone this way. Have my RC skills really decreased this significantly? How can I get back to my better score average? Any advice?

Thanks in advance. And happy studying!

I have been doing drills of 5 questions for each LR question type. And trying to at least get 80% correct on each difficulty level in order to move on to a different question type. But this feels wrong and I am not quite sure how to drill properly. I feel I need to do more questions, but still unsure if it’s best to mix question types or keep it the same. Does anyone have any tips that could help?

I took my diagnostic back in august and got 148. Since then I have been working through the curriculum. I made it through the foundations and first part of logical reasoning with the old version before I realized there was a newer one I should be on. since then I restarted the new version and redid grammar bc I felt I was shaky, I did all of the foundations and 22 percent of the logic part and 66 percent of the rc curriculum. About a month in I took another diagnostic (while at work and being interrupted) and scored a 149. I assumed that because I was at work that contributed to my low score and that it would generally show my improvement since then if I was in a controlled environment. However, after 3 months of studying as much as I could manage with working full time and being in grad school I scored yet again another 149 on the first round and actually blind reviewed the entire test and still only managed a 150. I am at a loss right now and feeling super discouraged. I only have a 3.3 from undergrad so I do need the lsat with my admissions. For reference I want to apply the year and not wait until next year bc I am currently working at a university that has free tuition for employees and a law school. I hate my job but that makes it worth it and everything would be so convent. I just am feeing discouraged right now and at a loss. I know I haven't finished the curriculum, but how is it possible that I am stuck in the same place as when I started. It makes me feel like all of this ha been for nothing.

Is A->B A->C therefore, B some C a valid argument, since A-m-> B and A-m->C therefore B some C is valid.

Wishing everyone well!

Hi, I'm scheduled to write the test Friday morning and I'm not sure if I should do it. I did the test last year November and scored in the low 150s and only started preparing for the November 2024 test a couple months ago. Last year I was scoring in the high 150s in my prep tests and I think it was because logic games were included. I've only done one complete prep test in the last few months and scored a 153. I feel that the past week of studying combined with application submissions has completely drained me and I'm feeling really anxious. I know schools say they'll accept Jan 2025 marks but does anyone know if that reduces your chances of getting into Ontario law schools? I really need advice on whether I should just complete the test this Friday and cancel my mark if I don't like it or just wait until January. Btw I'm doing fairly well when I do drills but something happens to me when I try to do full tests. I'm really stuck on what to do. Another side note, this would be my third attempt on Friday. Any advice would be appreciated.

Another question; If I do the November test and cancel my mark, are schools able to see I tried a third time and cancelled?

Thank you!!

Hello,

I was wondering how you all approach question stems asking you to identify a term or expression that someone in the stim misinterprets or misunderstands? I haven't seen this question type a lot, but I'm not too confident whenever I do come across them...even if it's lacking in difficulty! There's no section that covers this question type in the curriculum, likely because it's so infrequent, so I'm curious how to study for it and improve!

Thanks for the help!!

Hi all,

Instead of getting a bunch of 1 question type wrong on my PTs, I've been getting 1 of 6-7 question types wrong. For example, I'll get 1 Necessary Assumption, 1 Flaw, 1 Weaken, etc wrong on a PT.

I am really not sure what to drill if I'm just getting this wide variety of question types wrong individually. Does anyone have any tips or has anyone been through this situation that can help plan next steps?

Thanks!

Has anyone had issues scheduling their test for November 2024. I tried last week when the window opened and withing 30 minutes all the dates were taken. Now LSAC says they will request more dates, but they can't guaranteed that every student will get a time slot.

PS. MCAT dropped prometric in 2017. Why would LSAC hire such a horrible company? They are know for being unreliable.

If you'll are having issues, what are you'll doing?

I have emailed everyone in LSAC called every office and no one gives a solution. They can't give me a report # all they said is that their supervisors would contact me. The emails have all been BS responses with a "we wish good luck on your test". From what I have been told if Prometric can't accommodate us, we would need to reschedule to January test. This is a big no for two reasons:

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Here are some pointers that are installed into my brain but they may or may not come out the way I intend them to. First, be able to understand which questions are hard and which questions are easy. Usually, reading the stimulus and the question number itself (ex: 1-13), I can usually assume it will be a relatively quick question. So during these, I read the stimulus and understand the task that I must complete. Then I go to the questions and answer quickly, not giving much time at all to answer choices (instead of trying to reason with each answer choice, I quickly eliminate each choice that isn't 100% correct). Building a habit is what enables this for me, through a series of practice, I can understand/read the stimulus and know what the answer should sound like about 90% of the time, at least on the easy questions. Then on the harder questions (15-20), I usually take a little bit more time, I understand the patterns and by the time I go into the questions, once again through repetitive practice and habit I will be able to have an idea of the correct answer, but usually these harder questions have two answer choices that work with what I built. From there, I decide which answer is most strict to the stimulus, not which answer overall has the most profound and "reasonable in the real world" answer, but which answer applies MOST to the stimulus. Then for the hardest questions (20-27), I know that these are created to be hard, so the answer choices that answer it as if they are the questions within 1-13, I usually assume are wrong because it is meant to blind others from further thought and reasoning with other questions. I can usually scratch out 2 answers like this and also scratch out 1 answer choice that is meant to sound overly "smart" (such as a choice with profound wording and definitions that are within our syllabus, like "the justification of the commerce trader is appealing to a kind, that unlike the kind within the stimulus, is unreasonable with further efforts", basically just a string of random and confusing texts.) Remaining with two answers, I would usually pick the answer choice that I believe COULD work, however, after further practice I now understand that these answer choices are also usually meant to make us over assume, which leads to an incorrect answer. So I have begun choosing the 1 of the 2 answer choices, that although don't sound AS reasonable as the latter, need less assumptions/ or no assumptions at all to take place in order for that answer to be correct against the stimulus, even if this answer choice isn't as strong as the other would be, it is still stronger in face value because it does not need extra assumptions to take place. Once again, I don't know if this information is accurately written down as it is in my head but the main tip I am getting at is that you must practice and get used to the question types that will be persistently used AND remember that this is a test made by a human, so this human will try to use certain techniques to make you miss questions, try to combat these techniques, that are primarily used in the hardest questions, by remembering past techniques used.

So many times when I am reviewing what I got wrong, I look back at the question and I'm like why the hell did I choose that question. Why does this keep happening.

Also, most times I end up choosing the second best answer and how can I fix this.

I feel like I am understanding the test better, but somehow I also do well on the experimental section of the test and bomb one of the scored sections. Also, my LR scores on my last practice test varied from 4 incorrect to 11 incorrect.

Is anyone else having this problem??

ANY advice for this issue?

Hi I was wondering if someone can give examples, and ways to tell a difference between the two argument structures, and how to tell them apart in a stimulus.

Premise: B Conclusion: A -> C (missing assumption: B -> C)

versus

Premise: A Conclusion: B->C (missing assumption: A-B).

I started studying by taking a diagnostic and scored a 160. After a week or so of fundamentals, I took a PT on an off day and got a 152 which bothered me a lot, but I decided I wouldn't PT until completing the courses and understanding the concepts. The day after completing the courses (about 1.5 months later), I scored a 161 or 162. Since then, I have done 4 more prep tests, all 4-7 days of studying apart, and have gotten a 160 every single time. The past 2 times I have taken a PrepTest, I have felt really good about each section. I usually always have 5-10 minutes left over every section where I go back and review the questions I have flagged, and regularly get to review every question I'd flagged.

I'm taking the November LSAT in just two weeks and I'm a bit disheartened that I have been working for 2 months and making virtually no progress. I'm desperate for any advice or ways to renew my approach.

Can I get better at inference, MBT, MBF, MSS questions through doing the LG core curriculum? It seems LG is all inferences and I would say these types of questions are consistently my biggest time sucks and it's not even close.

Hello friends, I have been studying over the last 4 months and have seen a SIGNIFICANT improvement on my LR, currently averaging about 1-4 incorrect per section. However, my Reading comp has remained horrible, averaging about 10-13 incorrect per section. I have tried many different reading comp methods over the last couple of months to no avail. I am very desperate for any RC tips you may have since the November test will likely be my final test before applying to law school. I am currently sitting around a 162 and if my RC was similar to that of my LR, I would be able to score around a 169-170 range, hence the urgency.

I am trying to figure out whether or not I should cancel my October LSAT. Sadly I scored one point lower than I did on my June exam. Since it is only one point, should I let it be or should I cancel it since it is a lower score and I really only want to show my best score?

I began studying for the LSAT in January of this year and bought my 7sage subscription in February. I began studying off and on (life happens) until August. Once August rolled around, I took off from my job to study really hard for a month before the October LSAT. I spent hours a day studying and would take one practice test a week for a month. For reference, my diagnostic score was a 156, and I had taken 2 PT in June with a score of 156 and 154 respectively. AS I began to study and take my weekly PT in the month leading up to the October test. I had the following 3 scores in order: 154, 152, 157 (BR: 156, 158, 157).

I just got my October score back today an I scored a 162, which is the highest score I've ever received (I've never gotten a BR score that high) That puts me at the 81st percentile and I am super happy with my score. The law school I want to attend (though please understand I'll be applying to more than just this school) has a 50th percentile of 156 and a 25th percentile of a 159. I'll have a 3.99 GPA by the time I graduate so I have no worries there.

While I haven't continued such a strenuous study regime. I do practice problems once a week as the head of the Pre-Law LSAT study group on my college campus. So I could quickly pick back up studying to improve if needed.

Given all that information, should I go back in and try to take the exam again for an even higher score, or should I take my score I have with my super high GPA, along with a really good personal statement and try to get into school with what I have?

All of your responses are greatly appreciated and I wish you all the best of luck on your own LSAT journeys! You can do it!

Hi all! I received my results and I am extremely disappointed. I had scored a 156 and 157 previously and I just scored 156 again. I really want to break 160, although I had broken 160 on multiple prep tests. I am totally confused and shocked. I felt that I had a great grasp on the questions. Can anyone give any advice? I previously registered for the November LSAT just in case, so I have just over two weeks to lock in.

This morning I got my score back for the October LSAT. I have been consistently scoring in the mid to high 150’s even though I have been studying for about 3 months. I felt decent going into October but knew I was also taking the November test. To be honest, I was really just hoping for a low to mid 150’s on this test so I could have the confidence to do good on the November test. As I got my score back this morning, I did not perform well at all. I have no idea if I just didn’t settle into the test well or what happened but to say that I am discouraged is an understatement.

I have no idea how what to do in order to properly prepare for the November test. Obviously my study patterns did not pan out. I would appreciate any tips what so ever on what to do or how to move forward.

Thank you.

These are my two largest analytical priorities. Currently, I am drilling, preptestting, wrong answer journaling and reviewing core curriculum. I am wondering what else I should be doing to improve these.

Wrote this past June LSAT and scored a 145. Starting cracking down on my prep late August / Early September and scored a 158 untimed this past week. This did give me the motivational booster that made me feel like for the first time I might be able to do this thing.

Any tips for endurance? I took about an hour for each section but a lot of that was having the correct answer but sitting there wondering if it was actually right. My goal for the November test would is to score a 160 since I have a 3.9 GPA and that would put me in a good scholarship zone for most the schools I would like to attend.

Now that logic games won't be featured on the LSAT anymore, should we just skip the logic games curriculum on 7sage?

I know that there are a few logical reasoning questions out there that require you to be able to diagram conditional statements. So is there any part of the Logic Games curriculum we should look at, just in case?

Thanks all!

I am scoring in the 165-167 range on my PTs and want to be hitting about 171 for the November LSAT. I am consistently missing only two questions on RC and getting them all right in blind review. On my last PT, the only reason I didn't get just one wrong on RC is because my time ran out and I couldn't answer it. My LR is obviously less consistent, (-3 and -8 on my last PT, 165). My question is whether I should focus all of my attention on LR in the next few weeks or try to get those easier-to-reach extra two points on RC first. Might be a dumb question just due to nerves kicking in, but curious what the best way to organize my study would be.