Hey everyone! I'm seeking advice after a disastrous PT today and I feel a little bit defeated. I've been studying for around 8 months. I started with a diagnostic of 143 (PT 140) in January, a PT in March and then June, both of which I scored a 151 (PT 127 and PT 128). Today, Oct 1st, I took a PT again, and it's still a 151 (PT 145).

I study for around 1 hour to 2 hours per day, Mon to Fri. I do drills most of the days, and a few sections here and there. I blind review all sections and timed drills as well. It feels like I've plateaued and I'm wondering if this is the limit of my LSAT capabilities. 😭

If anyone has tips on how I need to tackle future endeavors or if you have had a journey like this please share your wisdom!!! PLEASE! 💀

Hello everyone,

I just did the September LSAT and didn't get the score I needed, I had been studying everyday for 2-3 hours three months before the exam (until I got strep the week before lol) and on and off since April. I work full-time and was in the middle of a move from one province to another. I ended up getting a 146 and probably should have expected it since my PT for LR and RC were low 150s but trusted my BR which consistently fell in the high 160 and low 170 range.

I'm writing it again in November but I need a tutor to help me with time management to bridge my actual score and BR score.

Specifically, I'll need help in the following areas for logical reasoning sufficient and necessary assumptions (more generally conditional reasoning), pseudo-sufficient assumption, resolve reconcile and explain . Then for reading comprehension: critique-debate and implied questions.

I'm looking for 1 session a week starting next week, my budget is fairly flexible starting around $600 for the month of October.

From a 164 diagnostic, 154 downslide once I started studying, 169 jan lsat... I GOT A 177!!!!!!

I genuinely would not have gotten this score without 7sage and their generous program for those with fee waviers, I'm literally emotional thinking about it. I signed up for 7sage after my third surgery due to a work related injury that wiped out all my savings and ruined my plans of leaving a toxic housing situation. I was buying used prep books from 2017 because it was all I could afford at the time until I found out about 7sage from a coworker.

I'm so thankful to this platform, its resources, style of teaching, classes, community, podcasts and all the passion driving this team to prepare generations of lawyers in getting to their dream schools!!!

If i could give advice to anyone:

• take weeks off between studying to relax. my score always improved after a week off. make sure you've eaten and slept properly before prep tests

• understand how negations work i cannot tell you how important this is, it was the biggest thing that made me jump because NAs were kicking my ass.

• learn where to hunt and where to POE

• religously apply the tests to question types.

• read questions and stims slower = saving time on finding answer

• in RC, you should always be looking back and forth, not answering from memory. even if its for a few seconds

• READ, READ, READ!! i reccommend magazines like "the baffler" and "the london review" and books on nature writing the most. i've personally found them to train that same brain muscle for RC, and the sept LSAT legit had a passage on something i was very familiar with because of my reading habit so i'm glad for it.

I left that test feeling sO good but was scared by how good I felt and this is insane. I only took September to get a feel of the test before October, and October I would strive for the 170s.

I'm not sure if I'll retake it so 7Sage you may see me again. But I am so ecstatic.

For reference, besides my diagnostic, I took 4 PTs. I got a 162, 162, 161, and a 167.

im aiming for t-14/t-30 schools but have been averaging 159 on PTs. i’m scheduled for october and november for my first LSAT but am now wondering if i should just withdraw from the october LSAT to save a try/avoid it on my record knowing that i am going to take the november lsat regardless. or is it better to understand how the lsat works??? money is not a deciding issue since i’m more concerned about how my choices affect admissions

I think if my november lsat is below the schools i’m aiming for, i’d probably just go for next cycle. i’m also not entirely opposed to reapplying but just feel so stressed about having to get everything in before december.

I am so conflicted because i don’t wanna waste anything but also i don’t wanna delay more than i have to. any advice would be so appreciated!!!

Oh man, the sigh of relief I breathed when I got my score this morning.

Diagnostic: 168

Average PT: 173

Max PT: 177

Official Score: 180

I don't really have any advice other than: LOCK IN! Study a lot! Stare at the LR cheat sheet until it's burned into your synapses! Eventually the patterns will reveal themselves. I really didn't expect to see a 180 today and I am, of course, over the moon about it. I'm not sure I can provide anything that the lovely tutors on here haven't already said, but I'm happy to answer questions about my personal journey!

Good luck to everyone testing in October! You've got this! Never give up!

I wanted to write this post because it's something I would have loved to read when I started this journey of law school admissions. Doing this exam while working full time is hard. I applaud you for doing it if you are. You are competing against kids who study for this exam full-time. You will have to learn how to outperform them within your time and mental constraints if you want to score high. I will be as concise as possible and will detail how I studied and used 7Sage to achieve a 169 on the LSAT after a 160 untimed diagnostic score and despite working 60 hour weeks.

TLDR: The 7Sage Core subscription is worth it. 7Sage tutoring is a waste of time. Hard work and faith in a robust process will result in improvement, inconsistency and excuses won't. THE ONLY WAY TO IMPROVE ON THE LSAT IS TO TAKE THE LSAT. 7Sage AI is a great tool. 1 hour of studying on a workday can be enough if used well!

Context/Disclaimers: 60hour workweeks in an intense finance job. No kids. No accommodations.

If you are working full-time, this process will take longer than "normal". Ignore the kids who get a 170+ within 2 months. They have literally all day to think about this test and have substantially less pressure. It makes a massive difference. Work-driven skill atrophy is real, you will have to be incredibly disciplined and patient to fight it.

Timeline: 160 on untimed diagnostic of PT 141 in January. Studied 230hrs and scored a 166 on the June LSAT. Two weeks off. Studied another 100 hours and scored a 169 on the September LSAT. I took 20 exams* in total (18PTs, 2 real), dozens of sections and at least 2000 drill questions.

*Note, the old PTs are less useful. Newer PTs are harder and much more reflective of the real exam. They are making the exam harder, make sure you practice harder versions of it.

Method: I spent month 1 on the Foundations module (I wish I spent less time and drilled real questions instead during this). Month 2 I started drilling heavily and doing sections. Month 3-5 I took one PT every weekend on Saturday. I would BR it and review it the following day. The weeks were spent drilling. It was hard to balance drilling with my 12 hour work days and I definitely dealt with atrophy between PTs. You just have to be consistent, drill heavily, and review misses deeply.

Tutor: I got a tutor Month 5. Waste of time. They were a very nice and accomplished person but we just went over problems the same way JY does in his video review. You can completely replace a human tutor with AI and get a quicker, cheaper, and more personalized result.

Took June LSAT. The first exam always sucks, you will almost always do better on your second try.

Month 6 and 7 before the September LSAT were spent doing the same method. The time off helped dissipate the burnout I got from the trauma of months 1-5 prior. I only drilled priority areas and heavily used 7Sage AI, which had just come out, to tailor my drills and run my analytics. This made a difference. When you get to the 170+ level, you have to learn how to scrutinize a question for 20 mins and figure out why you get it wrong. Volume matters much less than before as you now have the ability to protect your floor and get most questions right.

Sept LSAT: Way less stress than take #1. Felt very easy in 3/4 sections but one section was extremely hard. I think it killed my 170+ chances. Be ready for anything! Research and take the historically hardest PTs (PT 140 experimental, PT 128 LR #1)

LSAT EXAM STRATEGY BONUS: Timing is everything. Intelligence and practice will help you use your time better.

LR: USE A STRICT 2 min BAIL RULE. When you hit 2 mins, guess, flag, and skip. Skip parallel questions unless they are before Q15. They waste a ton of time. If you can't get 4-5 star Qs right in 2 mins, you need to practice more.

RC: Use low rez summaries. Passages 1 and 2 should take 15 mins, 3 and 4 should take 20. If you stick by that rule you will finish every RC question every time.

Final thoughts: We are conditioned to think “173 or bust” to get T14 or T20. I think this is an overstatement. You can get into a good law program with a 25th percentile LSAT unless you have other truly poor elements in your app. Work experience matters in this new world where KJD kids get shredded by early Big Law recruiting timelines. I will give this cycle a shot and write a post in the spring outlining the aftermath. Hopefully, my theory is vindicated!

Ive been studying for the LSAT for a few months now and following plans, watching videos, drilling questions and sections, and I just cant seem to get the hang of it. My confidence for this has been completely shot making it harder for me to put my all into practice test and I just feel very defeated. Im taking the LSAT in November and my score hasn't improved that much. Any advice out there?

I take the LSAT this October and have been used to getting a pretty decent score on my prep tests but I took my final PT 159 today and got a lower score than normal. Any advice on why that might be the case?

Happy (or horrifying) score release day! I’m here to bring some words of hope and encouragement for all of you, especially those of you facing a disappointing result.

In the video I made for August testtakers last month (which you can watch here), I shared my own thoughts on what a low score does and doesn’t mean. Since then, we asked our team at 7sage for their own takes on the subject, and today I want to share with you all an excellent letter we received from one of our tutors, @DillonChaney.

We've got resources for you today. Most notably, we're stacking office hours throughout the day so you can get the emotional and practical support you need. We're also hosting a Live Score Release Extravaganza in a few hours (5pm ET) where the 7sage Podcast team will be answering questions and doling out advice gems and a few tantalizing giveaways.

Please also feel free to use this thread to vent, ask questions, or share your experiences – I'll be around all day (and all week, including Thursday evening's lofi stream which will surely involve some score release Q&A).

Hi everyone! Happy Thursday! Hope everyone is doing well :)

I just took a timed LR section + BR this morning, and I am frustrated to say the least lol! I scored a 16/25, but on BR I was able to bump that up to a 23/25.

I typically score around the 17–20 range on LR, so while I know a 16 isn’t representative of where I normally am, it was still frustrating to see. At the same time, I’m really happy with the improvement I’ve made throughout the year and I do feel confident in my understanding of the material. I think where I really struggle is time management and trusting my initial answer.

I feel like I’ve been getting caught in these overthinking loops more and more, especially as I’ve gotten further into my LSAT studying “journey.” I have a feeling it might be linked to my anxiety + ADHD (from my understanding, anxiety can sometimes contribute to that kind of overthinking), but I’m trying my best to work on that as well.

With the October LSAT coming up, I’m trying to keep my spirits high and just keep pushing. I’m hoping to conclude my testing by the end of this year, so I think part of me is feeling the pressure a little more now that I’m getting closer to the finish line. I know I’ve made a lot of progress over the past year, but ngl, this is something I’m really struggling with and it does worry me a littleee bit.

If anyone has any tips for time management, trusting your first instinct, or breaking out of those overthinking loops, I would really appreciate it!!

the photo is so big I'm dead.

jumped from 166 in august to 178 after a month of 7sage!!! thank youuuu best platform ever

While a 167 on the official LSAT is good by any means, I was hoping for a little more, like a 168-170. My diagnostic was a 155 earlier in May, and I averaged around 164 for the last month, but I reached 170 just two weeks before my test (maybe just luck, tbh). While I am very happy I got lucky in a sense due to it being higher than my average, I am conflicted about whether I should retake it in November.

I was aiming for top 15-30 schools, and I have a high 3.9X GPA and strong achievements, but I feel that 1-2 points could greatly improve my chances. I am currently a full-time senior in College and work part-time, and because of my time constraints, I'm not sure how much I can improve my score in one month.

If anyone has any words of encouragement or advice, I would greatly appreciate it!

Last month, I came here and posted about how I got a score I wasn't happy with, and how I felt it underperformed all my recent PTs. I thought my dreams were dead.

Now, I come to say that I got a score from September that (like all high achievers think) could have been a little better, but that I think can allow me to compete for my dream of going to a T14 school. All of this is to say that you can do it too! Maybe September didn't work out, but even in the span of a month, you can see a difference in score, whether it be from focusing on some weaknesses, overcoming anxiety, or even just seeing your score more accurately reflect PTs after an underperformance. Don't give up. You will be a lawyer. And everyone is so proud of you.

Banggggg. I only used 7 sage and I drilled a ton. The scheduler was so helpful! Those are my 3 official LSAT scores and I got my 169 back today. I feel so accomplished. I could take it again in 2 weeks since I am registered but 169 is my average PT according to 7sage analytics so I’ll let it rest a few days before deciding.

Thank you JY for everything!! LFGGGG

Hi, I took the official LSAT twice and received a 162 in June and today i got my September score and it was another 162. I assumed the first score was low due to my anxiety since it was my first test and I was less prepared. However, I was frustrated to score a 162 again in September because I have been studying for 8 months and am consistently PT-ing in the high 170s with no score below 170.

Idk what I should do, I have taken PTs in similar testing conditions and even the same computer set up with others around. I am taking the October test next week and I've read many techniques to overcome test day anxiety. I realized that I don't feel as much pressure on practice tests, I pace myself well, and I trust my answers. On actual test day, I am very cautious (too cautious) that it slows me down and leads me to second guess my answer, get stuck and dwell on questions, and having to rush at the end.

My problem is giving weight to the real exam, well, because it is the real exam lol. How do i go about actually treating the real thing as just another practice test since I do so well on those? I find this tip so much easier said than done.

Thank you 7sage. I scored a 171 on September and cannot be more thankful for 7sage. I started at a 157 PT, got a 164 on my first official LSAT. Now I finished above my goal score with a 171 on September LSAT. This is the best platform.

Hello! I am so happy to finally be done with LSAT studying! I had a diagnostic score of 155 in July 2025, an official score of 160 in January, and 162 in April, and I just received a 173 on the September LSAT!!

Anyways, I know how hard it is to study for this test. There were so many times when I thought it wasn’t worth it anymore, but I’m here to tell you that it is!! Keep going. I know how hard the road can be, but you’ve got this!

In the explanation for this question, J.Y mentions that there are several other flaw questions where the flaw is that they say that a correlation between A and B, and a correlation between A and C, means that B and C are correlated. The example he uses that's much clearer than what they're using in this question is that there's a correlation between being a motorist and wearing a seatbelt, and there's a correlation between being a motorist and sustaining an injury in a motor vehicle accident, but that does not mean that there is a correlation between wearing a seatbelt and sustaining an injusry in a motor vehicle accident.

Anyway, he said that there are other questions like this one, but never said which ones they are. Does anyone know of others or any ideas on how I'd find more like this? Thanks!

If you followed my rambling post the night before I sat for my final attempt... the one about schizophrenic raccoons, zombie grandma, and calling my estranged dad if I got at least a 164, I am happy to report I got the 164.

Ten point increase, freaking finally. All because a tutor told me to stop litigating the argument AND the evidence (which is quite challenging when your job in litigation for almost a decade is literally authenticating, managing, and coordinating evidence). "If it says the sky is red, the sky is red, Em" and suddenly the whole game changed. My PT scores hit 171, BR 177, so I'm a little bit disappointed, but nothing in the house is broken this time. I think the RC Section I thought I slayed was the experimental section. Oh well.

I'll be hovering over the call button to ask my dad to lunch for at least twice as long as I hovered over the LSAC login button this morning after 3 separate realistic dreams about various scores. The first a 140, where I blew up the house self combusting, the second a 168 where I made blueberry pancakes for breakfast, and the third a 174 where I roared in victory. So I'm anticipating the dad call to be mildly disappointing too (it's been over 11 yrs). We'll see. But it's progress.

Again, not gunning for Harvard, I just want a JD before my fourth-grade college oops baby goes to college. 🫠

Hi guys! Got my September LSAT score and is was a 146… I’ve been consistently PTing in the 160s with my highest PT at a 167. Any advice what I should do? How can this even be possible? So confused

I’m struggling to bridge the gap between my Actual score and Untimed Blind Review score on LR.

For example, on a 25-question LR section:

Timed: 10/25 correct — 15 wrong

Untimed Blind Review: 22/25 correct — only 3 wrong

So it seems like my main issue is performance under time pressure rather than a knowledge gap.

For those who have experienced a similar gap, what actually helped you to improve?

I’d especially appreciate specific strategies. Thank you!

I’m in a dilemma where I didn’t perform as I thought I would on the September LSAT. I wanted to apply by October, and I am also registered to take the October LSAT next week. My situation now is if I register for the January LSAT and hold off on submitting my applications until January scores come out. I’m worried that January might be too late to apply to schools, but would rather apply with a score that would give me a chance of getting in. Opinions on when I should submit?

First, big congrats to all who got their goal scores (or above) in September, and I'm sorry to those who were disappointed with their results. I took my first official LSAT this month, and was pleased to get a 172! When I started studying in April, I was aiming for a 170 and ran into a wall in the high 160s for months - I didn't get above a 170 in PTs until just before September's test.

I feel pretty comfortable with my ability to identify when I'm uncertain with my answer to a question and flag it if it's a 50-50 sort of situation, and I was keeping track of my flags after each section during the September test. Leaving the test, I felt like I totally bombed it, because I had a lot more flags in each section than I figured would be indicative of a strong performance. I reasoned that my score could have ranged anywhere from like a 166 (if all of my flags were wrong answers) to a 176 (if only a few of those 50-50 coin flips ended up being wrong), and I immediately figured it had to have been a bad performance because it felt like a bad performance. This put me in a sour mood for a few days and added a lot more stress to my life the last few weeks than needed!

If there's any point to me writing this post, it's that I encourage all of you taking the test in October - whether for the first time or not - to try your best and leave the score anxiety in the testing center, don't let those thoughts linger with you. At the end of the day, the score you get is out of your hands when you leave that testing room, and stressing about whether you should've gone with C instead of D for a specific reading comp question (an activity I devoted many a shower thought to) isn't necessarily going to help you feel better!

Best of luck to those taking it again soon, and for all who are submitting apps this cycle.