I've noticed that some of the LGs in the most recent PTs don't fall into the strict sequencing/grouping/grouping and sequencing categories. In several places on 7sage, users note that they found games from earlier PTs helpful in practicing for these nontraditional games. Can anyone recommend specific games from specific tests to practice?

thanks!

Hi! So I need some advice about whether or not to stick with my June test or take the test in September. I took the test in December 2016 and got a terrible score (145) and I really am aiming for a mid 160s but I have been still averaging -9 on each section, I am understanding the material a lot better but Im just nervous if I take this test in June I wont be where I want to be, does anyone have any advice? Thank you so much in advance!

Hey guys so I registered for the September lsat and I am having a difficult time figuring out what i should be doing next. I'm considering purchasing the ultimate package to get access to the more difficult questions, so any recommendations regarding that? Also I don't feel that I am improving on logical reasoning at all. I went through the course curriculum already and I'm lost as to what needs to be done next. Please any advice would be great. Good luck to everyone!

Anyone interested?

Doing a quick review of concepts that I struggled with early on.

I remember the following rule being simple to diagram:

L is before M but after K.

K-L-M

But I also remember that there is another type of rule that is similar to the above but it involves and "or". I think it goes like this:

K is before M or after L, but not both.

M-K-L, or L-K-M?

Does anyone know what I am referring to? If so, could you link to the lesson or a game that highlights the above?

I can't remember where it came from but the difference between the two above really stumped me at some point....

Hi everyone!!

I GOT ACCEPTED TO THE SCHOOL I WANTED AFTER BEING ON THE WAITLIST! Which, is obviously awesome and I'm very excited. However, I already accepted a 1 year leadership position with AmeriCorps because I got nervous about not hearing back for a while. Also, this is an awesome position I genuinely want.

They offered me scholarship money, but not very much at all...I COULD make it work financially, but I would have to take out a LOT of loans. I applied kind of late in the cycle, and that could be why. Also, I know that I didn't reach my full potential with the LSAT yet, but I was in a rush to take it and just get enough to get in because I didn't know what I was going to do the next year and that was scary. I want to if at all possible defer my enrollment, but I am unsure if they will allow me to do that. If so, I guess I will decline and apply for early admission next cycle. If I do this, I will re-take the LSAT and hopefully get a better score. My question is, has anyone experienced anything like this before? If I don't accept, and cite money as the main reason, and re-apply, will that affect my chances of getting in again? When I do this, should I call the admissions office, visit them, or email them? I'm just so darn grateful to get in I really don't want to mess this up! Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

In college I had a shaky first semester (had a c and a b+ for a 3.4) but then maintained a 3.9+ average the rest of the way with nothing lower than an A-. My GPA isn't bad (3.85), but for top law schools, I'm wondering if they care more about stats (3.85 is 3.85) or if they pay more attention to trends. I'm shooting for a top 3 law school or a scholarship (my preptests are generally in the mid 170 range and I'm trying for high 170s to have a shot at Yale). My GPA doesn't really hurt me, but is still slightly sub 50 for those schools. Are schools primarily concerned with their stats, or would it not matter as much for a borderline 50ish percentile GPA?

I got -9 on one section and I was wondering what advice or steps anyone has to reduce that number? I am keeping the main point in mind in each passage and relating the passages to each other but I still got 9 wrong. Thank you so much in advance!

Hey everyone! I was planning on taking the June LSAT, but decided to push back to September because I've had a pretty hard time balancing full-time work and studying. I planned a trip to Tokyo a while ago (before I even started studying for the LSAT), and I'd be coming back a week before the September LSAT. Would it be a bad idea to take the September exam? I'd be in Japan from September 2-9, and the test is on September 16. I plan on taking September 11-15 off from work to rest and prep some more.

Hi Guys!

I hope anyone reading this is having a fine day. I guess I just wanted to make a post because I've been largely silent in the Discussion section. I'm taking the June LSAT and am feeling quite overwhelmed. Working full time at a stressful job and having a two-hour long commute takes a considerable chunk out of my day. I worry I acted too quickly by signing up for the June exam since I only started studying in mid-February.

I just took my first two PTs and scored158/159, my blind reviews 163/166. With the test a month away... does anyone think I'll be able to catch up to my blind review score? I guess I'm just looking for a bit of encouragement :)

Anyway, my apologies for sounding mopey. Let's end on a happy note. GOOD LUCK AND HAPPY STUDIES EVERYONE!!!

Hey guys!

I was hoping to get some opinions on this.....

I put up a post a while back about HOW I should undertake studying for the LSAT. I purchased the Ultimate package and I'm starting to study again..but facing the same struggle I faced the first time, "Do I want to go to law school? Why am I taking this test?" I don't know any lawyers personally, so I'm basing all of my ideas off books, blogs, and websites. I met with a pre-law advisor and he asked what I'd majored in. When I answered history and told them that I also just finished my MA (again in history), he told me that obviously I had a passion and should follow that passion. I've thought about teaching, but I've also read negative things about that too. If someone were to ask me, "why teach history?" I'd be able to run you down a list of reasons why. Ask me "why law?" I'd give you a blank stare...the only semi-positive being the opportunity to earn more.

Anyway...sorry for the long post. Basically, I was wondering if anybody else feels this from time to time - should you be 100% sure law school and being a lawyer is for you before taking this test and investing time (and money)? Do people feel "passion" for the law or being a lawyer?

Thanks! xo

To all the wonderful mothers studying for the LSAT!

I hope you enjoy your day :)

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Hey 7Sagers,

I've been studying for at least a year now But for some reason I have so much trouble trying to correctly answer Assumption, Sufficient Assumption and Necessary Assumption questions. I have gone over the curriculum and been utilizing negation tests, conditional logic, etc. But I am simply not improving. Does anyone have a certain method that works for them? Or am I doomed? :/ I have been scoring 16 questions on LR sections but that would be higher if I got more Assumption questions correct. Any thoughts?

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For some reason whenever I print out a Practice Test, RC and LR print out fine. The print is visible in those 2 sections. Dark and very clear. But the LG section is always very light and thinly printed. I can barely read it. Whether i print them out individually or as a whole section or the whole test. On chrome and on safari This doesn't happen whenever i print out the problem sets from the lesson, but only for the logic games from a PT. Anyone else have this problem? And how can i fix this?

I was wondering around when the law school applications?

Thanks.

Good morning 7sage,

Background/Additional Info

I've been lurking/slowly posting more the last week or two. I came up with a plan for my retake attempt in December or February (depending on which date my job approves the time off request for). Background: I sat for the Feb 2017 test, wrote a 156, PT average for the month going into it was a 160, BR scores were 168-170. I know, I should have postponed. My goal score is a 160+. I'm going to have an unpredictable cycle, and I'm striving to get my LSAT score as high above the 75ths for my target schools as possible . Unpredictable since I'll be a splitter, my max LSAC GPA is 2.9-3.0, military musician (there are no more than 18 people with my specific job in my branch of service), had academic issues in the past (an academic probation and academic suspension 10+ years before I'll be applying to school), upward trend in GPA (current school/degree GPA is 3.52 and rising). For my two target/goal schools, my anticipated LSAC GPA is .15 to .25 below their 25ths, my current LSAT score is right at their medians. Safety schools-I'm at/above their medians and/or 75ths already. Reach/Dream School: GPA is .5 below their 25th and LSAT is 14 points below their 75th-I'd need to get a 172+ to have even a remote chance (so, it is closer to a hail mary school). I'll be applying to start in the Fall 2019 school year, so I still have some time. My work schedule is hectic over the summer/warm months, and then in cooler months-it can be a bit busy but I get decent comp time for it. I'm also a full time student.

My overall goal for the retake is to write a 160+ to provide a greater chance of acceptance to my target schools. I'll be going to school via the GI Bill and Yellow Ribbon Program, so unless if I can talk the school into changing any potential scholarship to a non-tuition (e.g. living expense or general) scholarship, the difference between admission with scholarship and admission without scholarship does not matter much to me (GI Bill is last payer, so whatever tuition scholarship I receive would reduce the amount GI Bill pays to match it until tuition is covered). Using LSN and a few other sites, it looks like as it stands, I have solid chances of admission at my target schools now. I'm mostly concerned about my past academic issues being enough of a red flag to ADCOMs that I need to be above their 75ths to alleviate those issues.

Time per day/week for LSAT Prep and Course work

Week Days when I'm not on tour, I have 4-4.5 per day (90mins in the morning, half of my 2hr lunch break, 2-3hrs each night after work).

Week Days when I am on tour, it varies dramatically from 3hrs to 6hrs.

Week Ends when I'm not on tour, are typically free/wide open.

Week ends when I am on tour, vary quite a bit.

Course work tends to need 4 hours per class per week to get A's.

I am single, no family/relationship commitments, and get 99.9999% of my social needs met by my job. So, I'm not concerned about having time to go out/party. I hit the gun range once a week or every other week and workout 2-3 times per week for around 90mins total time commitment per workout (or trip to the range).

So, finally, my plan.

Step 1: Redo the entire Core Curriculum.

Step 1a (done concurrently with Core Curriculum): Fool proof every logic game I can get my hands on.

Step 2: Take PT's and BR each.

Step 2a: Drill question types based off of PT and BR scores.

Step 2b: Use supplemental materials to aid in weak areas (I have LSAT Trainer, PS Bibles, Manhattan LR and RC)

Once I reach the PT point, the plan is to simulate test day conditions as close as possible with a few different locations: the lounge at my job site and local library with the test starting at 0900 on a Saturday. For week day PT's, I'm thinking they would be on Tuesday and potentially Thursday, but I'd rather focus on quality over quantity. I used the odd PT's from the 70's and PT 80 for the final month of my previous prep. I'm AOK with buying additional PT's beyond what I currently have (I think I own all of the ones currently released, but not all of them are clean copies).

Sample Week Day Plan for Non-Tour Week

0600-0730: Fool Proof LG

Work Block

1100-1200ish Course Work

Work Block

430PM-530PM: CC session 1

530PM-615PM: Dinner

615PM-715PM: CC Session 2

715PM-815PM: CC session 3

Sample Saturday Plan for Non-Tour Week BEFORE starting PT's

0830-0930: Fool Proof LG

0930-1030: Relax/Eat Breakfast

1030-noon: CC session1

noon-3PM: Relax, errands, chores, lunch

3PM-430PM: CC session 2

430PM-530PM: Relax, Dinner

530PM-7PM: CC session 3

730PM--830PM: Fool Proof LG

To avoid burn out, the only LSAT studying on Mondays would be fool proofing LG in the morning, the lunch time and evening sessions would be used for course work and/or gym or range time. Fridays I would cut the last two CC session for relaxation, meditation, or gym. I'd rather not hit burnout as many times leading up to this attempt.

Questions I have

Is it okay to start fool proofing games before completing the core curriculum?

When I'm on tour (typically a week at a time, once or twice per month from May-July/August), time is a premium, so I'm thinking I'll use those weeks as mini-LG intensives where I drop the CC time and only Fool Proof games, does that make sense to others?

Does the structure of the plan make sense?

Does anyone have any strategies for answering parallel reasoning/flaw questions more quickly? These questions consistently take, in my opinion, far more time than they should for me.

My method has been:

Does anyone else have any useful strategies?

The main issue for me seems to be how time consuming these questions can be. In the explanation videos, there is the luxury of answering a question in 8 or more minutes, but on the exam this amount of time is obviously not feasible.

Thanks!

I know the task for the strengthening questions is to find a question that represents the flaw in the reasoning but then Ive noticed that some of the correct answers to the questions aren't the flaws for example, one questions states, " During the 1980s, Japanese collectors were very active in the market for european art and then it says the striking pattern surely reflects a specific preference on the part of many Japanese collectors" I paraphrased it because Im not sure if Im allowed to post the whole question here. So I thought the flaw was that there could be another explanation as to why they chose the art, maybe the art was cheaper than most art. and I chose the correct answer (C) which states, " several 19th cent. impressionists painters adopted certain techniques and visual effects found in Japanese prints that are highly esteemed in Japan" but the answer choice (D) says one of the flaws " during the 1960s and 1970s, the prices of 19th cent. impressionist paintings often exceeded the prices of paintings by older european masters", So my question is that for the strengthening questions are there different tasks for each questions? Thank you in advance!

Can someone explain why B is correct for this question? I find this question confusing, mostly because the way the prompt asks for a principle that if established will prove both sides of the argument correct.

To me B justifies the rehab side of the argument quite plainly, but doesn't touch the demolish portion. We know that the demolishing plan precludes the possibility of the rehabilitating the houses, so B tells us to take the rehab path instead. Does it also justify demolishing because it makes reference to "trying the other approach if the first proves unsatisfactory"--basically, it's saying that both can happen if the first plan doesn't work?

OK guys... so it is time to start cracking down and getting that application all pretty... except, I am a non traditional student that just decided to up and quit her job last year to volunteer and I don't know... not work??? I mean I do work now in retail a girl does have bills... but her is my issue.... I want to go to Texas A&M in Ft. Worth... they want a resume... here is the description...

The applicant’s educational background, honor societies, military service, extracurricular activities, public/community service, honors and awards, publications, foreign language proficiencies, and any other significant achievements and involvements.

Educational Background- ok easy... except I you know, like most typical non traditional students... drank and partied too much and I sure do not have any honors.... I mean I have a year I could go back to school... but that is a last resort

military service- None

Extracurricular activities... I am pretty sure jet setter and binge novel reader isn't really an answer.... any other ideas??? or things I could do to make this look better... remember I am 35 and a decade removed from college...

Public Community Service- I am going to discuss working with kids in Costa Rica and volunteering with an animal shelter in Mexico... I am also about o start volunteering with various human rights groups here in Dallas... I also make chew toys for the local animal shelter out of recycled materials... I do a lot of community service thankfully this might be my saving grace.

Publications- Sounds cool... not published. Open to ideas.

Foreign Language... sigh still not fluent in Spanish... but getting better every day. I would like to list Spanish but I am assuming they want fluency... not hoping to be fluent someday.

Any other significant achievements... I got nada... I have 6 months to achieve something so I am open to ideas.

Guys I am frustrated... I can discuss work history... but quitting a job to volunteer in Costa Rica & Mexico... then coming back and working in retail just doesn't sound great you know???

Along with the LSAT this my current "Admissions" hot topic... so give me ideas guys I need them...

Thanks

-The pretty boring Jen.

Just wondering if anyone is taking the patent bar this year? I am planning on taking this year and was hoping for a study buddy. Thanks.

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I agree A is a better choice given the premises and conclusion, but am I crazy for thinking that an economic incentive implies that the benefit is at least equal to, possibly greater than, the cost? In the examples given by JY he states we have a "growing economic incentive" when earth housing costs go from $200 million to $400 million while moon colony costs are st $1 billion. I understand that the gap between such costs has narrowed, but can it really be said that an economic incentive even exists at this point? Until I can at least break even, why would I consider anything less an "economic incentive." Since, in this view, JY's example does not actually present an economic incentive, can it really be said to be growing?

The only way I can see out of this issue is that the stimulus tells us point blank that the increasing scarcity of housing on earth results in a growing economic incentive, so perhaps my understanding is in conflict with the stimulus.

Hi everyone! I had a general question about overall studying time. I often see many people on here talk about spending 4,5, 6 or even 7 or 8 hours a day on LSAT prep which is pretty insane.

I feel like I have undiagnosed, high functioning ADHD, or something like that, because I can't study for more than an hour and a half or 2 hours at a time. 3 hours at a time is usually the most I can go, as long I've gotten a good nights sleep and whether I'm well hydrated. I study everyday (Mon. through Sunday) so I don't feel like I'm falling behind.

Also, I don't usually break up my study time as most people do because I study in the morning since I'm the sharpest and can concentrate for long periods for most of the 2 or 3 hours I'm studying. Often times, in the afternoon I feel sluggish, tired or unfocused to try and study again, because I'm usually burnt out for the morning session lol. I've thought about exercising mid day to see if that helps as all.

Is it bad that I can't study for more than 2 or 3 hours at a time a day? What are some study tips that have worked for you guys? Any recommendations to increase focus or longer study times? Thanks!

I need some help with this question. I got the right answer but in Blind Review I changed the answer to a wrong choice. The right answer is D. I understand why that is right. The problem I have is trying to determine why A is wrong. Is it just that A doesn't pertain to the argument? I believe the premise to be "It is unrealistic to expect [upgraded training programs with increased classroom hours] to compensate for the pilots' lack of actual flying time". The conclusion is "Therefore, the airlines should rethink their training approach to reducing commercial crashes." The gap would be the relationship from "lack of actual flying time" to "commercial crashes". That gap is filled by D with C being a tempting but incorrect answer choice. I just can't elucidate why A is wrong except that it doesn't address the relationship. I guess what I am trying to say is, it seems to me that answer choice A is an assumption that the stimulus makes. I guess I am assuming when it refers to "Training programs" that could include a training program that increases the pilots actual flying time. In any case, your input would be appreciated.

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So I took the practice LSAT test from 2008 and scored a whopping 134. I have a 3.76 cumulative GPA from my undergraduate so I know I'm not dumb. I'm trying to get into Texas Tech Law school this Fall 17 so I need at least a 150. I am lost, I do not know where to start studying with the LSAT. Not going to lie, the pre-test discourages me quite some, I feel dumb. I need help, If anyone doesn't mind sharing some wisdom with me on how to study, what to study, and how to get a decent score on the LSAT. I take the June 12th LSAT so I have about a month to study. Thank!