I'm still going through the C.C. and I just finished going through the Main Point questions, which are supposed to be the easiest ones. It was a 3.1 hr session and it took me around 12 hours across three days to go through it all. But when it came down to do the problem sets I failed miserably.

My timed score for each were (Averaging at 1.5 min for each question):

1: 4/5 (that was good)

2: 2/5

3: 1/5

4: 2/5

Even after BR my score would improve 1 point, and in some cases, some answers I chose in BR were wrong while my original answer was correct. Before doing the last problem set, I reviewed the first 3 by jotting some notes down as to why I got the answers wrong, but it still didn't pay off.

Questions:

1. Any way of finding more Main Point questions on this site? Without having me to go through each lsat to find them.

2. Any tips on how to improve revision? Did anyone experience something like this? What did you do? What did you find most helpful? I want to see an increase in score when doing the problem sets, and not just stay stuck. I feel like putting myself under time is adding a lot of pressure and so I find myself rushing to find the answer, but also sometimes I was off.

I know its only the first lesson with problem sets I have done, but I need tips.

Thanks in advance!

Hi everyone,

I'm desperately looking to buy an LSAT preptest which under 7 sage has been named as C2 -administered on Jan 2016. Since the grading for that test is up I am assuming that we can buy the test as well. I checked Amazon but could not find it. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Howdy,

So I am not new to 7Sage, but I haven't been active in the community. Short story version: I've been using 7Sage for about a year but pushed the test back twice in 2016 due to school and working getting in the way. I thought I could force by pushing quickly through the core material and skipping parts of it (yes, shame me) it but it didn't happen with my practice test results dropping each time (145, 141, 138). So I withdrew from the September date to preserve my attempts. I just graduated from Texas A&M and now am planning to take the June LSAT. I haven't touched anything since August and am planning to start the core curriculum over.

I am ready to do this. I understand where I went wrong and want to use a new approach now that all I have to worry about is a part-time job. I guess my main question right now is how much time per day do you spend studying while avoiding burnout?

Hi everyone, I'm looking to join (or create) a study group for the June 2017 LSAT in the New Orleans area.

Good lord, I find this question frustrating and I cannot for the life of me determine how any single one of these answers could be seen as satisfactory.

This is the question where West says that Haynes is the worst inspector. I honestly couldn't figure out how any answer would suffice, and even seeing the correct answer, I cannot begin to fathom why it might be correct. I think this literally may be the only case where I haven't been able to even begin to understand why the right answer is correct for this question.

The correct answer states that Young responds by denying one of West's presuppositions. But I cannot see how Young does this. Young states that Haynes inspected significantly more than half of the appliances inspected last year. I immediately registered this as countering West's argument by pointing out that given the proportion of appliances Haynes inspected, it does not indicate any failing that such a high proportion of rejected appliances would have been inspected by him. Can anyone give me a breakdown of this?

Where is the "presupposition?" How on earth would Young be countering it?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-79-section-4-question-12/

I know it will differ for each person, but I usually hear the norm is around 30+. I'm just wondering if this is your case as well?

I am going to take the LSAT in February. I will be applying all over Texas. I am currently scoring well enough for most schools here, and definitely not good enough for UT (my dream school). I am seeing the progress that many talk about. It is slow, but it is rewarding.

Yet, I need to go to school. My mind has been thinking, dreaming about finally getting to my first day of law school for three years now. The wait, the wasted time spent working in a job knowing that I will leave to do something fulfilling is weighing on me.

Still, what can be is beginning to haunt me. I see the improvement, I read your stories, and I begin to wonder. Maybe a 170? Maybe a 175? Who the hell knows?

Maybe I should have started last year, when I was stuck with little work in Florida? Maybe I should just bite the bullet and accept nothing but UT?

In reality, I do just want to get into a good law school that will allow me to work in Texas without fuss. I will most likely get that. Still, biting the bullet is tough. My wife thinks I am going crazy with my constant jumps of this year or next. In a way, I think I am too.

I am not sure this post requires much thought. It's just the musings of a person thinking way too much about his options.

Hey All,

You can never have too much practice with RC, right? Which is why you should definitely go check out this passage and then help a girl out with a question that is causing her to pull her hair out :)

E is saying that phytopathogens typically attack some plant species but find other species to be unsuitable hosts. I eliminated this answer choice because the passage never says that it is the species that causes them to be unsuitable hosts. Rather, it is the fact that the crops are rotated, not giving the soil a chance to become suppressive.

Plant A is sowed in a field, lets say. But the crops aren't rotated so the phytopathogens do their thing and the yields decrease. But then, the farmer notices this decrease in yield, so Plant B is sowed in Plant A's place. But after a while, the soil become suppressive again and the phytopathogens come back into the picture. Then Plant C replaces Plant B, etc.

Furthermore, the passage says: "The problem can be cured by crop rotation, denying the pathogens a suitable host for a period of time." (emphasis added)

The species of plant is irrelevant. The phytopathogens are "triggered" by lack of crop rotation and they can only be stalled for a period of time. I mean, I know we can't infer that every single plant species is in danger of phytophathogen wrath, but I definitely don't see how we can infer that there are some species that are not.

I chose D, which I realized was wrong because of "majority," but E just seems completely unsupported.

I was scheduled for the December test but I had to push it for June. My study partner took it December test, and pretty much not around anymore. I am done with the curriculum, except I am reviewing LR & LG. I am planning to take two tests a week starting Feb 20. I am free during the weekday. Ideal schedule will be

M-F. 10-2 and Saturday and Sunday i am open to meet morning or afternoon. As a matter a fact I am studying with 2 people on the weekend, just looking for someone during the weekday but you are welcome to join us on the weekend. I am on the upper east side. But I can meet any where else in the city and I drive so I am open for a little drive during the weekend. Thanks looking forward to hearing from you.

Hi guys,

So I'm thinking about taking a semester off for the June LSAT. Do you guys think it is worthy or necessary?

Currently I'm a third year in college in a quite demanding program and I had a hard time juggling between the LSAT and school work last semester. I did spend as much time to prep as I could last semester and scored a low 160s in the December test. I really want to aim for 170+ for June and I think it's much more possible taking some time just to prepare for it...Anyone else did that for the LSAT?

Any suggestions for test prep or time management advice would also be helpful. Thanks.

The first time I heard the world LSAT I was watching Suits and I thought come on Mike how difficult it can be. Fast forward a year and I was just done with my diagnostic PT and it was a 148. My first thought was, LSAT is pretty hard. It was so hard that I gave it up for a month to reassessed my life plan and at the end of it I registered for December 2015 test and decided I gonna study LSAT full-time for couple of months and get a 160 which would get me into a decent Law School.

So, I borrowed a Kaplan LSAT book from library and finished it after a month by going to library from 08:00 am to 04:30 pm five days a week. Turned out it was the worse decision that I made during my prep because after finishing the book and taking another PT I got 149. My first thought was it must be the book so I bought power score books and finished them in one month by studying 08:00 am to 04:30 pm seven days a week.

During the same time I was watching YouTube videos about LSAT as break. YouTube being YouTube suggested a lot of LSAT related videos including 7Sage LG videos. I was afraid to take another PT so I printed out all the games from PT1-35 and sort them out based on the game type and did them under timed condition and watched J.Y. explanation for each of them afterward. By this time it was a week before December test I took PT 70 and I only got 152 and realized I will not get a 160 on December test and ended up withdrawing from the test. At that point I decided if I am going to do this I gonna do it right.

So I searched for an in person LSAT course but luckily there was none in my city, which forced me to signed up with an online company. I chose 7Sage one week free trial course, because I had not tried this one yet, bought and read most of LSAT Trainer as well as BRing the three PT that I took in two to three weeks. The free trial course was decent enough so I bought the Ultimate package and went through the core curriculum in three months. During this time, I was studying 07:30 am to 08:30 pm seven days a week. I made a mistake please do not study more that 6-7 hours, I burnt out two or three times and lost around 44 lb unnecessarily. The next step in my prep was fool-proofing all the LG games from PT 1-35 and attending all the webinars by different Sages. Needless to say, I postponed more than once, the more I learned about LSAT the less ready I felt.

The last phase of my prep took more than five months and consisted of taking 32 full-timed PTs and a lot of individual sections. Every PT that I took I made sure to BR it thoroughly on my own and then attend the BR call for it before scoring it. I progressively improved but when I reached 167 I stuck there and I could not go higher, I got a 171 once but it was mostly luck. I reached out to 7Sage community and got help from mentors like @twssmith , @Sami and @nessa.k13.0. I am glad that I got @"Cant Get Right" as my tutor to advise me and go through difficult questions and my PT recordings with me to point out my mistakes a month before the test.

The highest score that I got on a PT was a 172. On the actual test, I managed to get a 173. Thank you 7Sage for helping me increase my score from 148 to 173.

I watched the video.Yet I'm still stuck in (B). Any ideas and insight will be appreciated.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-70-section-1-question-23/

As the title states, I am feeling very stuck in the PT phase of prepping for the Feb exam. I am consistently scoring in the high 160s from my first PT post-curriculum with some variance toward the low 170s. However, I am finding that the more PTs I take, the more consistent my score is +/-1 points, which isn't really a bad thing. At least I know ahead of time about where I'll land, but it can get a bit disheartening not seeing any consistent improvement.

I am able to see using the test analytics what areas of the LR section I need to focus on, and I have done some drilling between PTs. Admittedly, I have not kept a very consistent routine for my PT, BR, and review phases. The one thing I noticed with this is that my time management has gotten a bit worse during testing. With that being said, I do not consistently have one section that is my weak point. Some tests I am -3/4 on each section, sometimes I ace all but one section on which I get a -8. They don't seem to correlate with the difficulty scores assigned by 7Sage, either. TBH, I was expecting to see more of a consistent trend after finishing 10+ PTs.

The other thing is that I get 175+ on my BRs. When I go through for BR, I rarely change a correct answer, and the questions I am hesitant on are usually very clear. When I spend time on these, I can suss out the correct answer nearly every time, though my confidence is usually pretty low in my answer.

I'm really kicking myself for missing the most recent webinar as well, as it seemed to be a relevant topic to this issue I am having.

What do you all recommend? Here's three main questions I have:

1. Have you found any study habits that have helped you to eek out a few points here or there? How do you study between PTs?

2. Have I not taken enough PTs yet to observe clear weak points in my prep?

3. How much emphasis do you put on time management when taking a test? I try to implement the low-hanging fruit analogy from the curriculum, but I'm not leaving answers blank, so it seems more of an issue of where I allocate my time per question.

Any suggestions or feedback would be most helpful.

For example, do you have family member working as stuff at XX law school etc...

why do they ask this?

If they do have, does this mean it affects them negatively or positively?

I'm just curious...

Thank you in advance!!

Hey guys!

Ok so... I wrote in December and I actually went from a really low diagnostic of 144 to 160 (YAY) but I know I can do better and have been averaging higher so I'm writing again in February. Because I wrote it recently, I focused a lot on the modern LSATs and took every preptest from 50-79. I'm focusing on my shitty areas and have been doing prep tests as well, but because I've done most of the modern ones I was working on the 30s and 40s, and I don't know how useful that is. For the last few weeks here, do you guys think I should just retake some of the more modern ones that I have already done and BR those...or attempt old ones that I've never done?

Thanks for all the help guys, couldn't have improved so much without 7sage!

hey guys,

after studying for about a month in september last year and a gap of more than 3 months, i have jumpstarted the core curriculum all over again. i am an ESL student but don't find it so difficult to read and write complex english. i was thinking about preparing for the exam for about 8 months and finally giving it in the month of september this year, the only thing that is bothering me is that when i read it in the discussion forum that most of the successful people in this community had prepared for at least a year or so before giving their respective exams, it makes me ponder upon as to what would be an ideal amount of time for me to prepare for the exam. i am open to any suggestions.

also the december 2017 exam will be the last option for me to be considered for the admission cycle of fall 2018.

Hi All,

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-18-section-2-question-07/

I was between B and C for this question and was hoping folks could weigh in on why C was wrong. I did listen to JY's explanation but still have some hesitations for getting rid of C. Here's the overview:

Context: Scientists are said to assume that something is not the case until there is proof that it is the case

Conclusion: The characterization (above) of scientists is false.

Premise: In evaluating a question of whether an unresearched additive is safe, scientists would say the following based on the characterization:

1. The additive is unsafe because it has not been proven to be safe

2. The additive is safe because it has not been proven to be unsafe.

Premise 2 : No scientist can assume without contradiction that a given substance is both safe and unsafe.

My Pre-phrase: Argument shows that taking a statement to be true results in a contradiction, so the statement cannot be true.

Answer Choice B: A statement is argued to be false by showing that taking it to be true leads to implausible consequences.

My Thoughts: I circled this upon first reading it but wasn't crazy about the word implausible, which I read as unlikely or not probable. If they would have given me something more like illogical, I would never have read on.

Answer Choice C: A statement is shown to be false by showing that it directly contradicts a second statement that is taken to be true.

My Thoughts: I read this as...a statement (ie the context) is shown to be false by showing that it directly contradicts a second statement (Premise 2) that is taken to be true. JY's explanation stated that there was no second statement, which seemed to me to exist. I can throw it out for not being a "direct" contradiction since the contradiction is in the application...

Would love any feedback on C!

quick question regarding study scheduling: I began studying for Logic Games this past fall, then took the month of December off because I thought my schedule was going to change and force me to take the LSAT in Sept 2017 instead of my initially intended June 2017 test date. I am now, however, back to the June 2017 plan. Would you all suggest that I start over from scratch or more briefly review the LG's and push on? thank you!!!

Back in November I eagerly signed up for the February administration (let's be real, I had wanted to take in December, but life got in the way of studying properly). Plenty of time to get ready, and worst case I would just postpone to June.

Well, the last day to change your test date from February is here, and now the "worst case" that I thought wouldn't come to fruition has. Here's why I'm postponing to June:

I'm not ready.

I've taken three PTs total, including my diagnostic. My last PT was in December, and I scored 11 points higher than my diagnostic. But both my actual score and my BR score are not at my target score. There is still room to move up. And I haven't even touched any of the PTs in the 70s yet.

I just finished the core curriculum last week. I need more than just three weeks of PTing to ensure I'm at my target score. It's just not an adequate amount of time to really understand and fix my weaknesses in LR and RC post-CC.

I haven't really mastered LG yet. I'm getting better and still getting them all correct, but my timing still isn't where it should be.

I'm not really exciting about postponing

I really wanted to be one-and-done in February. I'm out another $90 bucks. But I know it's going to be worth it (plus I'd be out $180 if I had waited until early February to decide I wasn't ready). And yeah, I'm a little nervous about waiting all the way until June. What if I burn out in between now and then, what if I peak months before June and then have a decline? Is taking the test at noon on a Monday going to be worse than taking it on a Saturday morning?

But I figure a lot of us are in this same boat. So I'm making the switch!

Today is last day to withdraw officially.

My understanding is if i don't withdraw today but withdraw later by (i think) Jan 31 i will still save my 1/3 attempts. Is my understanding correct? If i don't withdraw today, will i lose my attempt?

I want to see how much better i can get before i withdraw. Do not care about wasted money but absolutely don't want to waste an attempt.

Hey everyone, hope studying is going well. I am writing this thread to seek some insight on my situation.

I've been studying since June. I plan to sit for February and I have for the most part been consistent with my studies. I have also seen my score improve 19 points since June (albeit I have only hit that score once, a more telling increase I would say is about 14 points). But unfortunately, I have realized that as test day looms closer and closer I am finding it increasingly difficult to remain at the level of consistency with my studies that I have had for the past 7 months going on 7 and a half.

Lately I'll sit down with my regular routine and start to study and I just cannot stop thinking about how "over this" I am. Like today, I sat down to BR these 2 RC sections I should've BR'd like about 3-4 days ago but kept putting off (to do other sorts of LSAT practice which I also had to rally up the motivation to do) and just thought "I really don't feel like doing this right now."

So I guess my question is, is there any advice on how to get back into a good mental space as game day approaches and get back to a nice level of consistency? I'd like to add that I don't really know if it's burnout because I do always take one day off a week(but for these past couple weeks it's been a little more due to issues described above). Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Hello ,

i no this has probably been beaten to death on this forum.. but i was wondering if backing out of the February administration will count as a take?

were only a few weeks out and im still 7 points off my goal score. although im not giving up , i was just wondering what my options where if i decide to reapply to schools for the next cycle ( official LSAT 150 , 151av on PT, 153 highest).

thanks

As the title says, today's the last day! Don't miss it.

We're happy to announce that explanations for PT 79 (September 2016 LSAT) will be on sale at 7Sage starting today, Jan 9th.

The price will be $5.97 for roughly one week. After that, the price will go back to the normal price of $29.99.

You can pick it up here:

https://classic.7sage.com/addons/

Does anyone have any insight on when or if we'll have it available for purchase on LSAC's site or Amazon before the Feb administration?

Also, if it does become available, what are the chances that 7sage will have explanations available in time for Feb?

Thanks!