I just upgraded from Starter to Ultimate+ and I'm really close to the end of the curriculum. Now a bunch of additional problem sets have appeared (Necessary Assumption has like 20!). I'm curious if those of you who have either upgraded partway through or always had Ultimate+ do all of the problem sets, or are you saving some for review once you start PTing?

This is probably a silly question...but I *may* have a third LOR coming in next week, but will be ready to submit apps by the end of this week. Should I hold until I have that third one ready, or can I submit now and let that come in later?

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For anyone who missed it, or for anyone who'd like to sit through it again, this webinar is a new and improved version of my "So I'm done with the curriculum now what" webinar. I wanted to do this one again in order to emphasize that it's not just for people coming right out of the curriculum, it's for anyone who is in the PT phase. Whether you've only just finished the curriculum or whether you've been PTing for a long time, my hope is that there is something here for everyone to use in order to build a deliberate and effective study strategy based on his/her individual performance. We'll be doing one on Monday and another on Wednesday, so I hope everyone can make it!

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Is it possible to chain up bi-conditionals, and if so, what inferences can be drawn? For instance, imagine a a grouping game with three groups and the following rules:

A and B are not in the same group.

B and C are not in the same group.

The rules are:

A (---) B

B (---) C

If we take the contrapositive of the second rule (C (---) B), I believe we can link them up. A (---) B (---) C.

Can we conclude A (---) C? But if the game includes three groups, then does this inference even matter?

After nervously waiting for my December LSAT results on Tuesday, which were exactly as bad as I expected, I proceeded to drink away my problems with some friends. I had so much alcohol (a third of a bottle of whiskey and about 8-10 shots of Tito's vodka) that my best friend annihilated me in FIFA 6-0, after which I puked on myself and his sofa mid-nap. I managed to drunkenly stumble my way home at 2am.

I woke up six hours later, vommed my brains out some more, and had to take the day off from work because of "food poisoning." I spent the entire day curled up in pain shirtless on the floor of my bathroom, utterly unable to shake off the worst hangover of my life.

I share this story to assure you that no matter how disappointing your LSAT score was, it could always be worse - at least you didn't publicly and privately humiliate yourself immediately after finding it out! So here's to attaining glory, redemption, and a social life in June.

I just made the decision to take the Feb LSAT and apply to the University of Nebraska (I live locally and don't want to move, plus tuition is $15,000/year.)

My diagnostic score was 145. UNL's median LSAT score is 158, so I'm shooting for anything above that. Is this doable in a month? I'm not working so I can study as much as I need to.

Thanks.

For each of the LR sections, what might the general proportion of very hard and hard (4 and 5 dots on the difficulty scale) to medium and easy questions?

Hey all!

If anyone has received accommodations on the LSAT, would you send me a PM (if that isn't too much to ask!).... I have a couple of quick Q's:)

I was working 50 hours a week, while preparing for the test. Not a very high score, but it's enough to get me in where I want to go. With the help of lsat I was able to improve 12 points from my PTs. Thanks to 7Sage and thanks you guys!

The dude abides.

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I am having a difficult time trying to organize when and where the terms "some," "many," or "sometimes" can be used correctly or not, and this question came across my mind. Would my line of reasoning be correct if answer choices B, C, and E be wrong (not strengthen the argument) even if the wording of the answer choices be changed to corroborate the argument in the stimulus while leaving the words "some" and "many" intact? Would the answer choices be wrong simply because of "many" and "some"?

For instance, if we were to change C to read: Some automobile passengers whose inner ears indicate that they are *not* moving and who have a clear view of the objects they are passing get motion sickness

would this answer choice still not strengthen the argument? In other words, if the argument in the stimulus stated "We hypothesize that A -> B," and an answer choice stated "some A-> B," would the answer choice strengthen the argument?

Usually whenever I see "some" or "many" I become very cautious... now I'm having real difficulty in finding how "some" or "many" can be used correctly to become the correct answer choice... Any help would be great!

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Hi, I am looking to take the LSAT in June of 2017 and want to start studying now. I have already took the June 2007 diagnostic test and scored a 157. I wish to score in the mid 170's and intend to dedicate significant time towards this. Any tips? My weakest point on the diagnostic was LR- just fyi.

This was my first LSAT, my goal was 175, I ended up getting 177, and I am beyond happy! I couldn't have done it without 7sage's LG guides.

For people who are curious, my diagnostic was somewhere around 162-166, timed. My worst section at first by far was LG.

I studied intensely around 1.5 to 2 months, took a 1 month break, then spent 1 month doing a few practice tests a week. Prior to the test, my PT score average was around 175.

To study, I used the LSAT Trainer and 7sage for LG. I later also bought ACE The LSAT Logic Games book for practice (I didn't use the techniques, I just did the games for warmup and practice). I started with the LSAT Trainer techniques, then changed my LG techniques to 7sage's after.

Also, the Blind Review sessions hosted by JY are invaluable. Make sure you go to those for at least one practice test; I went to almost all the sessions for PT 78, and it helped so much even though it was right before the actual test date. I didn't realize how little I understood about each answer choice until I had to explain it to other people.

Thanks again 7sage, you guys are the best, and you probably helped me get into my dream law school!

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Hi guys,

Is there an error in this question? There is a historical LSAT question that I am...disagreeing with: PT30-S4-Q15. PSA.

The question, rewrote, consists of:

P1: Too large or too small of class size is bad.

P2: Very light or very heavy faculty work load is also bad

C: Crowded classes and overworked faculties are bad.

In general, I feel the argument's conclusion is valid. "Large class size", reference to "crowded classes" ,and "heavy faculty workload", reference to "overworked faculties", are both bad.

What is wrong with just taking 50％ from each premise and concluding something from it?

However, above this, I see another gating point, which is the answer.

The correct answer is "very small class sizes or very light workload" are also bad. While, I feel that, in order to arrive at this premise as a needed one, we need to have something like "if the school's both class room and faculty workload is at medium level, then it is good". Right?

Please let me know your thoughts.

Thanks,

Panda

Hi all,

After looking through the UGPA/LSAT score search feature on LSAC, I am discouraged that even with a hypothetical 180, my GPA brings my chances of getting into the top schools down significantly.

Is it true that a high LSAT cannot compensate for a lower than average (based on school) GPA?

I know, I know, another cheesy THX7SAGE post. BUT! I want to share my story since I'm NOT one of the people aiming to get into a T14 school, to let you know that it is okay to be THRILLED with less than a 170 (no offense to everyone who worked their booty patooty off to get to a 170, hat's off to you, seriously). Here goes....

Last May, I decided I wanted to be a lawyer. I bought a GIANT Kaplan book and began reading it during my lunch breaks. I remember thinking to myself, "Gosh almighty, this book is boring, and large, but if I can just get through it the LSAT will be mine!!!" I sporadically studied during the summer. In August, I got called to go with the Red Cross down to Louisiana to help with the flood relief for 2 weeks. I still had approx. 1/3 of the book left, and the September test was fast approaching. I brought the book with me hoping to study, but with 12 hour days and staying in a staff shelter sleeping on cots, there wasn't any 'quiet' time to do so. I returned home with the same amount of the book left and only 2 weeks to the test. I forced myself to finish the book and thought that was it!! And.....I sat for the September test and made a 153.

I honestly thought that it was a good score (it certainly isn't horrible), but went to talk to a professor at my school of choice who advised me to re-take in December to get at least a 157 to truly be competitive. So, I did a bunch of online research and found 7sage (Almost fell for the $1,000+ Kaplan online course LOL). I studied as much as I could. During this time, I was also working 40+ hours a week, and several personal things were going on that sometimes made it hard to concentrate, and made me want to give up entirely. But, I did not. And here I am to tell you that in December I got a 159. I am competitive for my school. And I am thrilled.

So, new 7sagers, here's to you. If I can improve by 6 points in the most stressful months of my life, working 40+ a week, you can too. If you have more than 3 months, are not working 40+ a week, and are not stressed, just IMAGINE the possibilities! Everyone is different and learns at a different rate, but keep at it. Work the program (now I sound like I'm at AA lol). I believe in you, you are in an incredibly supportive community, and most importantly, you are capable.

Much love, and so THANKFUL to be done with this test!! (One day you'll be done, too!)

I just want to say a huge thanks to JY, Dillon, and everyone in the 7Sage community and share my story.

When I started studying for the LSAT at the end of June, I'd been out of school for six years and just a couple of weeks out of the end of a serious relationship. The entire prospect of applying for law school (and studying for the LSAT) was really daunting and intimidating.

I signed up for the Ultimate course with the intention of studying pretty much full time (ended up doing some odd jobs for a couple of months and doing some stuff on the side when I wasn't studying) to take the exam in September. As September approached I wasn't where I wanted to be, and after consulting with folks on these forums, decided to wait until December. I did a total of 16 timed PTs with BR (not including my diagnostic, which was a 157). By test day my average was a 164, with a high score of 170 (only once). I also watched many of the webinars.

I took a PT the Monday before test day and scored a 160 (one of my lowest). I took the rest of the week off, kind of resigned to not being able to reach my goal of 170, but did the best I could to get myself in a good head space before Test Day.

On test day things felt really good - better than any of the PTs I'd taken over the previous months. I was just in a great place mentally and came away feeling good about the whole thing.

Tonight I got my score back and scored a 170! I'm so happy and relieved to be done with this test.

For anyone who is intimidated at any point in this process, don't give in or let your discouragement last long - you can do it! Work your way through the curriculum, take your PTs under timed conditions, BR honestly so you're learning from each take, fool proof the games to the best of your ability, and turn to this community frequently as you assess what's working for you and what isn't. If there's anything I can do to help others down this path, don't hesitate to ask!

I also want to especially thank @Cant_Get_Right, @montaha.rizeq and @Alex_Divine for being so active and positive on these message boards while I was going through this.

Hi everyone, pretty new to 7Sage, it's my first time using it, so can anybody kindly let me know where I can find the practice tests? I already did some prior studying on the test, and want to take a practice one to see where I stand and what I need to work on. Can someone let me know where to I can find them? Thanks in advance.

Hello all, first off congrats to those of you who took the Dec LSAT, goal score or not (for me it was not), it took bravery and is another step towards law school!

As hinted above, my score was well below my goal, and also way below what I was recently averaging. I’m taking a different approach to the February test, which will hopefully allow me to score at my potential.

All that being said, two of my schools have a deadline of application before I even take the next LSAT. Cornell and U of Michigan to be specific, cite that they wont necessarily turn down apps beyond the closing date, but that availability will be extremely limited. I hear this, and I am ready to do what I have to in terms of trying for my best score and maybe postponing a cycle if it comes to that.

The question I’m left with though is how to proceed right now. Should I submit my app, which with my current score wont even be a consideration, with an email saying that I plan to sit again for Feb. 2017, and request that be waited for, while acknowledging that space will be on availability only? Or, do I wait to get my next score, and see where things go from there.

As always, thanks to this community for all of its support.

First of all, congratulations to everyone who took the December 2016 LSAT..for taking it alone you are so brave and I admire you all so much. So many people got the score they deserved (for those in this category Yay!!) and some didn't (for those in this category, you are not a failure or dumb or stupid), so please do not beat yourself up...the good news is you can retake and improve vastly from your last score.

You are all entitiled to take a break, even if it is just for a day...and when you return, this community will still and always be here for you.

My break recommendation:

1) Eat lots of chocolate (who can ever go wrong with chocolate)

2) Drink lots of wine or whatever drink you prefer

3) Sleep (Catch up on all the lost hours of sleep)

4) Binge watch a show (All those shows you put aside till after the LSAT..this is the time)

5) Go outside and breathe in clean air, and just take a walk

6) Read books (Nothing LSAT related...for just one day at least)

7) Do something that makes you happy (If it's LSAT related...do the second best thing that makes you happy)

8) Play (video) games or whatever game you are into

Just take some time off to recharge, and when you think you are in a better place...return to the tackle the LSAT with a stronger zeal and a peace of mind. This journey is not an easy one, but there will come a time when you become that attorney you've always wanted to be and the LSAT will be a thing of the past. Once again, congratulations to every single one of you...I'm so encouraged and proud of this community :)

I think some of us could use some inspiration ;)

This was my first time taking the LSAT and I scored a 160. It's not what I hoped, but I know I wasn't ready. I missed 26 questions but twelve of them were LG. So, if this was your second or third time, I'd love to hear how you improved! Thankfully, I had already planned on sitting out this cycle. I don't plan on retaking until my average is at or above a 171. So please, if you improved, let me know - and tell me how you did it!

XOXO

Hi There everyone. I will be taking the February LSAT. Usually LSAC publishes the PAST LSAC for purchase before the New LSAT. So for example the December Exam would be available for purchase before you take the February LSAT. I just called LSAC and they said because the time interval between December and February is so close that they dont have time to publish before the February Exam.

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So I'm not happy with my December score and average a much higher score than I received....reason I messed up was I hardly got 2 hours of sleep night before so my eyes were liter ly closing on the most important test ever... now question is can I submit an app without an lsat and is that an advantage over waiting to send when lsat comes.... or is this evenpossible ? Please help

I feel like this is a dumb question but I'm just curious. If you guys have unanswered questions when taking a prep test, are you guys guessing? Say you have 2 mins left and have 3 unanswered questions, are you guys leaving them blank? I leave them blank in order to get an accurate diagnostic. Just wondering what others are doing. I know for the actual test it's best to just guess if you have questions remaining, but what about our preps?

Just got my score back and im elated. Thanks 7 Sage for helping me exceed my target score on my retake. Paid subscription ends tomorrow, but I'll still be around.

I did not. Details can be found elsewhere on 7Sage regarding test center issue, but I basically knew it affected me on one section.

I missed more on that section than on the other three combined. As a result, I am 5 points from simulated test average with a score that is an outlier among my last fifteen. Cruised through three of four sections with time to spare and on pace for my goal, then fell two points short of my minimum satisfaction threshold.

Also, screw the University of South Carolina test center and their test director.