Hey 7Sagers, it was a lot of fun Blind Reviewing PT 79 (September 2016 LSAT) with you. Thank you for that experience.

I'd like to do it again for PT 80 (December 2016 LSAT).

I'm holding 15 sessions total. 5 for each of LR 1, LR 2, and RC. Each session will focus on only one section of PT 80. All sessions will start at 7:30p EST and end at 10:30p. Multiple sessions are meant to accomodate people's various schedules and to reduce class size per session.

What happens in these sessions?

I'll ask students to state which questions were circled for BR. We'll work through the questions the group nominates. I generally try to ask students questions to elicit the right response. Voluntary participation. But please wear headphones and be in a quiet place (without ambient noise).

How should I prepare?

Take PT 80 and have the questions you'd like to BR ready. The first thing I'll ask is for everyone to type which questions they'd like to BR.

Next Session

3/28 Tuesday - Section 2 - RC

7:30p - 10:30p EST

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Obtaining PT 80

If you have an Ultimate+ account, you will be able to view and print PT 80 under the Syllabus.

Alternatively, you can purchase the paper copy of LSAT PT 80 on Amazon here.

Past Sessions

3/5 Sunday - Section 1 - LR

3/6 Monday - Section 1 - LR

3/8 Wednesday - Section 1 - LR

3/11 Saturday - Section 1 - LR

3/16 Thursday - Section 4 - LR

3/17 Friday - Section 4 - LR

3/18 Saturday - Section 4 - LR

3/27 Monday - Section 2 - RC

Edit&additional questions:

Let me change the title and ask a bit different question since it seems we can only post 2 threads per day...

for RC, do you think reading questions first would help me to understand what passage would say better?

Especially for those hard passages...

I know ppl recommend not reading questions first, but I'm terribly weak at hard RC...would it be helpful?

Original post:

Hi, this may sound a little weird question, but...

Which makes you comprehend the reading better, read it faster or slower?

Especially for those hard questions and passages in LR and RC...

I found sometimes even though I decrease the speed to understand better, it sometimes makes me even more confusing when I read slow. (and sometimes it's the same) But sometimes reading slower works better...

So I was wondering how others read...when you do not understand something in the passage, do you decrease your speed?

Or push reading?

Thanks

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Still trying to tease out the stimulus on this one. I don't understand what the two different DNA tests are or how they are confused or what the assumption is.

Premise: DNA tests can't distinguish among samples from different people. Samples A and B are both different, but test says they are both A.

Conclusion: You can't exonerate someone because their DNA did not match the DNA at the scene of the crime. Sample A did not match Sample X (crime scene), thus, one would expect A and B to be exonerated since they were both identified as A. Or that B would be exonerated anyways because the tests says his DNA is also A. But the author is saying, no, you cannot exonerate sample B because B was misidentified as A, so B could still be the assailant.

I was able to eliminate all the other answers. This is just one where I can't understand why AC B is correct. Let me know if I misunderstood the premises here.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-45-section-1-question-24/

I am a bit confused on how come some Strengthen questions require us to use the Assumption skills from PSA and SA questions. However, there are also some strengthen questions that did not require us to draw out the conditional chains and only requires us to affirm paraphrased "assumptions".

Is it only for questions that have "principle" that we automatically should treat them as PSA or SA questions? Or is it safe to use the PSA and SA method for ALL Strengthen questions?

Any insight on this matter would be greatly appreciated!

I've seen Cant Get Right's 3 Phase study plan partially quoted in other posts, but I cannot find it in its entirety.

Can someone link me to it, if possible?

Also, I noticed that he held several webinars in Jan and Feb about it. Is there any update on when/if those might be uploaded as recordings? I am just moving on from the CC and definitely realizing that learning how to learn is necessary for success.

Thanks!

Hello,

During In-Out Games, I am consistently getting confused between the Not Both Rule and the Biconditional (Always Together/Never Together) Rule. I am aware of the fundamentals, but get quite confused when the wording is sometimes difficult to fully grasp the meaning.

For instance, in PT29 S3 Game 1, the second rule states "Bill 1 cannot be paid on the same day as Bill 5."

In PT26 S1 Game 4, the first rule states "Gibson and Vega do not serve on the panel in the same year as each other."

Both look quite identical, and I initially incorrectly interpreted the first statement as a Not Both, and the second statement as a Never Together. So my questions are:

Can anyone explain why the first statement is a Never Together while the second one is a Not Both?

I was wondering if anyone had some advice on how to quickly determine a rule as a [Not Both Rule] or a [Never together/always apart Rule], especially under timed conditions.

Thanks in advance!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-29-section-3-game-1/

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-26-section-1-game-4/

Does the personal statement necessarily need to be focused on a recent moment in our lives? Could we talk about an event that happened before college, as long as it references a hobby that you intermittently do to this day?

So, J.Y.'s pretty awesome:

http://ms-jd.org/blog/article/jy-ping-7sage

Hey guys! While we're not finished with PT80s explanations, I know a lot of you are eager to get your hands on the PT itself. So, we decided to release PT80 early with limited explanations until they're complete.

Once the explanations are available (which may not be until after J.Y.'s May BR group) they will automatically be added to your account if you still have PT80.

For a limited time, you can pick up PT80 for $5.97 here:

https://classic.7sage.com/addons/

This comes with the printable DRM e-doc and a +1 month extension to your account. If you do not have a full course, you'll only have access to PT80 for 1 (one) month, so please keep that in mind while purchasing!

If you have LSAT Ultimate+, this PT has been automatically added to your account.

I can't love 7 Sage more:))) consider to extend my 7sage account since I am full-time work now. Anyway, it will be hugely helpful.

Hello-

I am planning to start studying for LSAT, trying to figure out a way to start, having a toddler is not easy in managing time.

I have a 3.2 GPA and want to get in good school. I want to take September test, haven't start studying yet. How can 7sage help, which program would be the best to work with?

Two questions regarding BR:

Does it decrease the utility of BR to review the same day you took the test? I try to do it next day but that kills some time I have after I've taken the test. I just want as accurate of a BR score as possible so I wait for the following day to review. Is it a big deal if I start reviewing same day as the test?

Does it decrease the utility of BR to review using the same marked up PT you used for the test? When I blind review now I have one copy of the test I use for the timed test and then once I have the questions circled I use a clean copy of the test to look at the questions. My thinking is that I do not want to be influenced during BR by my markings like crossed out answers and underlined conclusions, but getting a clean copy just for review isn't always practical.

Here is promotional material for Larry Law Law's webinar on his course KTCOOLS (Kick the Crap Out of Law School)

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So, as I promised, I have advice for you 0Ls -- those of you who got into law school (or are still figuring out what law school to go to).

I know you may be juggling other things -- picking a school, weighing scholarships, etc.

But it is NOT too early to be thinking about preparing for law school itself.

In 6 years of tutoring law students, I learned one big thing: my best students (straight A students at T14 law schools) got started before law school.

That is worth repeating and putting in bold and in just 5 words: To get As, start early.

(As you already know, top grades mean everything in law school and to your future -- even if you get into your dream law school.)

If you have doubts about starting early, watch this video:

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Forward this emails to friends! (And if you

In the mean time, let me know if you have any questions. On anything in law school. I read every email.

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This LR section killed me. I spent all day BRing questions 22, 24, and 26 in this section. This is another one that I am just lost on. I eliminated every answer choice, so I pretty much guessed 1/5 on this one. Can someone break this one down completely?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-47-section-1-question-22/

Wtf, back to back LR questions I just can't figure out during BR. Can someone breakdown the answer choices? I eliminated all of them during the timed exam and during BR, so I completely 1/5 guessed B. I am surprised that C is the answer since doesn't it make the absolute vs. relative flaw? In other words, just because most consumers find assembling the product "very easily," why can't the instructions make it even easier? I don't see how C would be at all inconsistent with the principle.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-47-section-1-question-24/

Hi, I am looking for a person who would like to study with me for the LSAT. I'm in Seattle. Let me know if you're interested and we can grab a coffee.

Overall: 9/10

Proctors: Amazing! Literally not one thing I could complain about. The proctors were very nice and relaxed before the test and completely quiet during. They all knew what they were talking about and did everything very efficiently. Proper time warnings were given for every section and we even ended up getting 30 seconds or so between sections, didn't feel rushed at all.

Facilities: Really nice campus! Clean bathrooms right near the testing rooms and a decent amount of space to walk around/chill during the break. The one complaint I have about the testing center overall was that it was a bit difficult to find the building (University Hall). Montclair State University is kind of split into a lower and upper campus, with the main entrance/GPS address bringing you to the lower half, but the testing building in the upper. You can access the upper campus from the top level of the parking garage, but there weren't any signs (that I could see), so if I hadn't found this info on the University website I probably would've been lost for awhile.

What kind of room: Large, 100-seat lecture halls, all right next to each other. If you google "Montclair State University Hall Room 1070" you can see a 360 degree panoramic view of what the rooms look like, which I LOVED because it made me feel so much more comfortable going into it (without going all the way there to see it myself). The chairs were comfortable and adjustable, the lighting was good, and the temperature wasn't too hot or too cold, but there was no clock in the room.

How many in the room: I want to say 30-ish people were in my testing room, but other test-takers who had been there before said that the Feb exam had a very low turnout compared to other administrations. However, we were assigned to every other chair, and the rows didn't feel cramped at all, so I don't think it would've mattered much if there were more people there.

Desks: THE BEST! Long tables with plenty of room to spread out and no risk of spilling into your neighbor's space because they left a chair open between each test-taker. I get super distracted by any movement in my peripheral vision, but i had no such issues here. There were random little microphones mounted on the desk in some places, but the few people seated near them were able to scoot their chairs over so they weren't in the way.

Left-handed accommodation: Not applicable. Yay for long table-desks!

Noise levels: Perfectly quiet throughout the entire exam. I was actually surprised to see that one of the testing rooms next-door got out slightly before us for the break because we couldn't hear ANYTHING inside.

Parking: The big parking garage on campus is called the Red Hawk Parking deck, and I believe it cost $8.00 for the day. LSAT testers could go to some office and get a special parking discount, but I'm not sure how much because I just wanted to escape ASAP haha.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: They began check-in at 8:25ish and we started the test a little before 9:00. One of the proctors I was chatting with said that a 9:00am start is typical.

Irregularities or mishaps: None! The only difficulty I had was finding the building, but it was no problem once I looked up a campus map on their website (which I honestly should've done beforehand anyways).

Other comments: My testing experience went as smoothly as I think it could possibly go. I highly recommend taking it here!

Would you take the test here again? Definitely!

Date[s] of Exam[s]: February 4th, 2016

The day I have been waiting for!!!! No longer will I have to wrestle my book on the scanner to get a solid copy/scan!!! Winning!!! Thanks 7Sage!!!!

Hey!I wonder if anyone is close to Seattle. Now I need a study buddy to supervise my study progess. I am following the LSAT 4-month schedule and read LSAT trainer. I increase my accuracy but still slow. Any suggestion?

Anyone, if you r close to Seattle or Bellevue, PM me. We can grab a coffee and share some experience.Thx

I came across this gem of a video today from TedX talk. I find it really relevant to a lot of questions that I have had and that people keep bringing up -why is my hard work in studying for LSAT not translating into a better score? I think this video does a good job of answering these questions and giving tips from research. I hope you all find it as useful as I did : ) (3(/p)

Some tips that I learned that I think have been around for a while but now I feel like are backed up by evidence:

1). Be disciplined. High scorers don't necessarily have high IQ's they are just more disciplined and focused. So cut distractions in your life and form good habits. (3

- When you make time tables, don't forget to schedule in something you love everyday. It's a lot more easier to study when you don't feel like you are miserable. So have a balanced life.(/p)

2). Take a lot of practice test and let your practice test score be a determinant on how you are going to do on the real test. This means do the test exactly as it would be real time and don't think that on test day you will score a lot better. It can happen but its not likely. The best preparation is to use these tests as a guide.

3). Don't just work hard -work hard by doing the right things. If you are not scoring well, figure out the technique that you are doing wrong and work hard to improve that instead. Working hard and just taking a lot of PT's or watching videos is not going to pay high dividends in terms of score unless its combined with really figuring out our issues and work on it. The example of Michael Jordan was really illuminating. If you shoot a ball in the hoop with the wrong technique 1000 times, that just means that now you really know how to shoot that ball with the wrong technique.

4). Don't let other people tell you that IQ is going to be a determinate in how you score. That's not something we can control and that's not a trend that's found across high scorer's.

Good Luck! and Happy Studying (3(/p)

I have studied for LSAT since December last year, and finished PT 30-60, ranging from 164-173, with an average score of 169. Got a 166 in the real one, frankly a bit disappointed.

My current situation is LG -2, LR -3~-4 for each session, and RC -3~-8. I dunno what's wrong with my capricious RC performance lol.

I really want to raise my score, ideally above 173 in the September test (because I am studying at a university in Hong Kong famous for low GPA. my current GPA is 3.5, which is already 5-10% in my year). Is this even possible? I can spare 28 hours per week from March to May, and 50 hours per week from June to August. I don't wanna burn out so I've plan an 10 day trip in the summer.

I am thinking of buying the LSAT Trainer, or registering for the 7Sage courses, or both. Do you think they are helpful?

Any suggestion will be much appreciated!

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Thank you for the RC Intensive last week @"Cant Get Right" @"Accounts Playable" @danielznelson @"nessa.k13.0"! It was Great:)

Hope you will join us Wed night to review Reading Comp & Logic Games on PT68. Vanessa & I have been talking about how to tweak the format to make it an even more valuable experience for all of us. Feedback requested:)

Wednesday, March 15th at 7PM ET: PT 68

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The Full Schedule

And if you’d like to see the full schedule for upcoming reviews, here it is:

https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=7sage.com_ft05lsm54j4ec1s6kj1d1bbpv0%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/Chicago

Note:

I've only come across this type of flaw a few times, but I'd like to understand the structure behind it. The explanation and example offered in the curriculum are not very clear. Is this similar to an is vs. ought flaw? Can someone offer an additional example?

https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/19-common-argument-flaws/

@"J.Y. Ping" or others that have an answer:

How do you know, in LR questions where some Q stems require us to identify the main point of the "Argument" and others ask specifically to identify the main point of the "conclusion"; when, such as in the "Camera Lens" LR question JY explains, to include the (P) in the paraphrased answer or only the (C)? Or are all of these "Main Point Questions" only wanting us to single out the conclusion and paraphrase it?