Hi guys,

I am looking to get a few answers on how long it took everybody to complete the curriculum?

I am completing mine slower than expected, and would like to set some deadlines/goals in order to make sure I finish the entire curriculum in time to do enough PT's/BR's before the December LSAT. Any advice on how many hours I should be putting in a day (with a part-time job)? I seriously find it hard to tackle question explanation after question explanation (incl. my own BR and comments for why each answer is correct/incorrect) and the sections I have recently gone through are exactly this. Going through the q's in such detail only captures my attention for so long before calling it quits for the night. Any suggestions?

Thank you!!

Hey Guys,

I know that this topic has been beaten to a pulp but I thought that I probably couldn't hurt to write it again (to at least help me feel better). But what's been happening is that I've been studying intensively for about 7 months now (25-35 hours a week) after working full time. Everything was really good and I took the June 2015 LSAT. I took a break in June and restarted my push for October starting in July. Everything was still going smoothly, I took PTs and BR every day.

Now, I'm looking at PT 73, PT 74, and PT 75 (my June 2015 LSAT that I haven't looked at since test day..just so I can crush my old nemesis before going to handle business this Saturday!). But when I sat down to read the RC for 72, I was blanking. Didn't understand a single word. Got really frustrated and mad at everything and just gave up. I think the pressure is finally getting to me. I'm averaging at like 172 but it's been taking a dip lately.

Is this the classic example of Burnout? And how should I go about trying to overcome it before this Saturday???

SOS. HELP!

Thanks so much again, everyone

So I was hoping for some advice on when to take the LSAT. Here is my story with maybe too much info:

I was planning to take the Dec LSAT. I diagnosed 158 in early August. Started studying with Powerscore then but not too hard because I was finishing a pretty long trip abroad. I came back mid August and started studying pretty hard. I got a 20 hour a week job that started in September. Ran through the PS bibles. Yea, they were pretty bad. Finished them my mid Sept. Took another PT and score 162. Wasn't sure what to do from there because I had no more study material besides PT. Found out about 7sage online and based on its good reviews and lower cost I picked it up.

Now I'm about 35% of the way through the curriculum but just got offered a full time job at a law firm that seemed too good to turn down so I took it. I start next Monday. With that, I doubt... well am almost sure I will not be ready for the Dec LSAT.

The February test seems kind of poop because it is really late in the cycle, likely on an ugly cold day, and if I don't do as well as I am hoping, I don't even know where I did poorly. But the timing seems right and I could at least try to apply for this cycle.

And then, there is June. Which seems oh so pretty. It is in a beautiful time of the year and administered at noon which is a huge plus for this guy. But that means waiting another year. Since I have this pretty cool job that is not so bad but more concerning to me than that it seems so far away. I motivated to study now. I feel it. But I don't know if I could keep feeling so pump for another 8 months. Ugh that's far. Is that too much time? I know JY says 1 year. I know, but that feels like a lot to me knowing how my energy levels for things fluctuates.

My insane plan for now was to sign for the Dec or Feb test, see how I feel closer to the date, if I feel bad: postpone. If I feel good: take it. Then once I take the test, If I feel bad: cancel it. If I feel good: get my score and hope I wasn't dead wrong.

My concern with this plan is that 1) it might a waste of $mula$ 2) I may hella misjudge how I did and end up with a crap score 3) It can really throw off my study schedule 4) I have never heard of someone doing this so it feels silly.

Is my plan for now that bad? Its pretty bad huh? So just put aside my concerns for the Feb or June tests and just take one of those? And if so which one?

Ahhh, well if you have made it this far I already love you for reading through my somewhat unexisting problems. Your the best. And if you could give me some advice, well then you are the bestest. So many thanks in advance.

Eye of the Tiger? I will Survive?

Nah... BURN IT DOWN!

Is it wise to do a final practice test the day before the test or is it better to take that day off and relax or exercise or something? Does anyone have any tips for the day before? Thanks.

I just started studying LSAT...my goal is 175+... do you recommend taking all 75 tests?

I have gone through the 7Sage class ciriculum twice (once about a year ago, and again one month ago), so I feel I have a pretty good grasp of the fundamentals (PTs are mid to high 160s right now; 173 is my target score). I have heard great things about the Trainer here, so I decided to pick it up. How long do you think it should take to thoroughly go through the LSAT Trainer? Is one month reasonable? I don't want to rush through it.

When we say that X is defined as Y, would that create a biconditional? For example, if I look up the word "apple" in the dictionary, I get "the round fruit of a tree of the rose family, which typically has thin red or green skin and crisp flesh. Many varieties have been developed as dessert or cooking fruit or for making cider." Does this relationship always create a biconditional? Just curious.

Hey,

I used this site before taking my first LSAT around two years ago. I am planning on taking the LSAT again and starting up a new course. When I was here last, PDFs were on site. I believe I purchased quite a few of them, would I still have access to them now if I returned?

Thanks

Hi everyone,

So I've been studying for 3 months and not really seeing too many patterns in LR or even LG. I'm going to start the foolproof method for LG, but I needed help drilling for LR. I don't want to buy the cambridge packets because I've already spent too much money on prep...is there another, efficient way to drill LR question types?

Well I hit the weird game in PT 72 and all of my confidence got sucked out of me. I have been able to get the old games and the new games without any problems, but for some reason I just felt off with the 72 logic games and now my confidence is gone, Idk what happened.

Everyone,

"Desire is the key to motivation, but it's determination and commitment to an unrelenting pursuit of your goal - a commitment to excellence - that will enable you to attain the success you seek." By Mario Andretti.

I would like to say ‘Hi’ to our 7Sage family. I have been here on and off for almost a year. I fortunately met J.Y. Ping in person when I was working in Korea. He is very smart and inspired me. I always find my excuse to avoid the study by doing something unnecessary.

I think this is the time to change and give a commitment to myself that I will make it happen like most of you. I am happy to come here and see many of you improving a lot by studying from 7Sage. I would like to do the same.

Let’s make it happen, TOGETHER!

I have been PTing around 163 (last 5 tests).

Two days ago I took PT 73 and my score dropped to 156 (wtf)- I have no idea what happened, I zoned out during LG got -11 and did horrible on the second LR (-11).

I am aiming for 160+ and will probably retake in Dec to aim for 165+.

Anyhow, I realized that I should probably stop taking fresh PTs. PT 73 killed my confidence.

Would it benefit me to be do timed PTs of tests that I've taken instead?

If not, what should I be doing?

Thanks!

At this point, all the improvement you have made is pretty much what it will be on test day. That is, there is not significant time to learn core concepts and strategies that you've not already gone over. So just a few gameday tips:

-Focus on timing and endurance right now. If you're not already doing 5 section PTs, you're doing yourself a disservice on test day. Do those this week. Hell, do 6 sections. It will prepare you to endure the rigor on test day. Believe me, on that last section you're ready to go home, so you will need to call on the perseverance you've practiced.

-Be prepared to do 3 LR sections, or 2 RC sections, or 2 Games sections. Whichever your worst section is, get ready to do it as the experimental. And they could be back to back, mixed up, anything. Prepare for the worst possible scenario. For me, it was the worst possible scenario on test day.

-Eat CARBS. Some of you may be on diets that minimize carb intake, but for the purposes of the LSAT this is a mistake. The brain needs a supply of glucose to function well, and if it is immediately available from a carbohydrate source, you'll be just a bit more ready to handle the deluge of questions. I recommend a complex carb source like whole wheat bread or brown rice. Do not (I repeat) do not eat sweets before/during the test.

-SLEEP well before the test. This may be easier said than done. I have prescription sleep meds, so I was able to get 8.5 hrs on test day, but if you don't have that luxury, you might look into other relaxation tactics to ensure adequate sleep.

-Caffeine - go a little bit above your normal levels. You want to be primed for the test, but not overly caffeinated to the point that you lose concentration and get a headache.

-Don't drink too much, but drink enough that you won't be parched. You get one bathroom break, and it's usually pretty quick. Do everything you can in the bathroom before the test starts.

-Visit the testing center, walk around, get comfortable. Make sure you can get there on test day, and show up a little early if possible.

-Don't try to do anything you didn't practice, like new strategies, or use highlighters, use erasers not tacked to the ends of pencils, etc. You want all those routines on autopilot on test day.

And that's all I can think of off the top of my head. Good luck on the test, and maybe I'll see you at UT/UH in the Fall! I also cannot wait until they release the PT for this test. Sounds silly, but I look forward to taking it.

Hello friends and LSAT warriors :)

First of all, A BIG FAT GOOD LUCK TO THE OCT TESTERS. You guys are gonna KILL it, no doubt :)

Question for all you LSAT gods:

I am currently in the process of re reading the Trainer and retaking 51-62 (retook 50 yday got a 162 actual, 169 BR)

I have taken 62-64, and 69 (just to jump around) same score range (159-161)

Fresh ones left: 65, 66, 67 68 70-75 (9)

My plan is to retake 51-62, 2 per week, with intense af BRs (shoutout to @Pacifico for the clean copy recommendation, I have finally started to atleast BR in my target range)

HERE IS THE QUESTION:

a) is my above schedule sounding good to you lsat gods?

b) perhaps like 2 weeks before the d-day, should I take the fresh ones or (actually read on TLS that you should have taken all exams upto test date and save no fresh ones until test day which i am dubious about) as of now I have scheduled 70-75 in the last two weeks and week of, one exam on mon, BR tuesday, and rest up wed-fri maybe to timed LGs but nothing crazy.

Thank you so much for reading this and helping me out, I appreciate all you LSAT gods :)

I have done 10 PTs (I am very early in the PT process), but I would like to know at what point in your studies did you start consistently hitting your target raw score when you took PTs. I'd just like an average frame of reference for my studies.

Where do you typically put yours -- do you alternate between it being section 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5? Perhaps a silly question.

http://www.amazon.com/LSAT-Trainer-remarkable-self-study-self-driven/dp/0989081508/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1443325996&sr=8-1&keywords=Lsat+trainer. That is the LSAT Trainer you guys told me to buy right. It says 2015 and I know there are other ones published. I start studying for the LSAT in 2016 but I was told to review the trainer as much as possible before I start studying,so will there be a 2016 version to the LSAT trainer that I should wait for,or should I just get the 2015 version.

Pretty simple question, can we wear ear plugs during the exam?

I was lucky enough to book my test center on my college's campus (going for home field advantage) and it's near a quad that frequently holds events. I'm worried that people will be starting to gather outside the test center during the later sections of the test

JY’s explanation was very helpful, but there’s one part of the question that’s been bugging me.

We’re told in the premise that people who would be “adversely affected were [the bill] to become law are very influential.”

Answer choices (B) includes “any bill that is opposed by influential people” and (C) has “those who oppose it are not very influential.” I understand and accept JY's explanations for why these are wrong and why (E) is correct, but I think there might be something else wrong with those answer choices.

A lot of the explanations I see for why B & C are wrong still seem to accept that it is the influential people who oppose the bill. However, can we really make the assumption that the influential people who would be adversely affected by the bill would oppose it?

It definitely seems like an unstated assumption in the first part of the argument, but is it really valid to say that they would oppose it (and that’s why the bill won’t be passed)?

It’s possible I’m not really understanding what “adversely affected” means. However, isn’t it possible be adversely affected by a bill, but still support it? (for example, wealthy individuals might support higher taxes for the rich, even though that adversely affects them).

It’s one the assumptions that jumped out at me when I did my BR and partly how I was able to get rid of (B) and (C). But I’ve read explanations from different sources and they all seem to accept the assumption that the influential people being adversely affected are the ones opposing the bill.

Thanks!

I was SUPER ANXIOUS last night and slept a cr@ppy 5 hrs. Should I do my pt today? Or postpone till I have gotten more sleep?

Hey, I'm about to begin taking PTs 36-65. If anyone else is interested in doing a full blind review of any of the aforementioned tests, let's meet up and tackle this thing. I live in north Dallas, but willing to meet anywhere DFW area. Maybe a campus library if parking is not an issue. I can meet mornings or at night, but we should allot 4+ hours if we are going to master the whole test.

Let's do this!

TL;DR : Looking for some insights with issues I apparently have with test day performance - PT'ing much higher than my score.

First, a little background. I self-studied with both Manhattan/Powerscore/7Sage Spring-Fall 2014, with most PT's between 168-175. I probably took about 20 tests under exact conditions. A few weeks before the Dec. 2014 exam, I was PT'ing high 170's, when I started to notice some severe burnout. On my last three PT's before the December test, I was suddenly dropping 15-20 questions, so I took a break for a week and hoped for the best.

I was super nervous -- almost manic -- on test day, and I ended up with a 163, with most of the damage from LG. This was upsetting at the time, but I figured that with practice, my nerves wouldn't be so bad the second time around. So I took a break for three months and started back studying in March for the June 2015 exam.

This time, I drilled game sections during the week and took two tests every weekend. My scores were much more consistent, clustered tightly around 176/177, and I was making strides in LG. I simulated test conditions exactly in terms of timing and sections, and would sometimes take tests in crowded coffee shops or book stores for practice with distractions. I made it a point to do every released PT LG section multiple times, and I stopped practicing a week or two before the test to prevent burnout.

I was incredibly calm and relaxed on test day, and walked out of the center thinking I had it in the bag. I was shocked to find out I had only increased my score by 3 points, to a 166. Admittedly, the June curve (-10) was rough compared to December, but I never expected to do any less than 3-4 points below my average. My LG section was fine, but I ended up dropping 5 or 6 on each LR section, where I've never had trouble before.

So, here I am again prepping for my third test, worrying that no matter how much I practice or how high I PT, I might just end up well below my average for the third time. The only thing I think I did wrong in prepping the second time around was not reviewing the LR questions I missed. Most of the time, I would see my score, think "good enough" and walk away. I'm being careful not to do that this time around.

Does anyone have any experience with this? Can you suffer from test anxiety without knowing it? Am I prepping wrong?

I really hope I can get some answers, and I appreciate any advice you guys can offer.

Thanks,

WEDNESDAY, September 30th at 8PM ET: PT52

Note:

I took the June LSAT. I'm signed up for October but I don't feel prepared. I was thinking I would take December instead.

My question is: would it seem unattractive to law schools if I took the June LSAT, cancelled my score for October, and took December?

Because I paid for October; I might as well take it for practice and just cancel my score.

Thanks