WEDNESDAY, September 30th at 8PM ET: PT52

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Hi guys,

I am looking to get a few answers on how long it took everybody to complete the curriculum?

I am completing mine slower than expected, and would like to set some deadlines/goals in order to make sure I finish the entire curriculum in time to do enough PT's/BR's before the December LSAT. Any advice on how many hours I should be putting in a day (with a part-time job)? I seriously find it hard to tackle question explanation after question explanation (incl. my own BR and comments for why each answer is correct/incorrect) and the sections I have recently gone through are exactly this. Going through the q's in such detail only captures my attention for so long before calling it quits for the night. Any suggestions?

Thank you!!

Hey people with test day experience,

Are experimental sections typically LR, LG, RC or random? Also, can you usually tell which one it is based on it being too easy or extremely difficult.

I want to be mentally prepared for the possible intense difficulty of an experimental section and not let it disrupt my flow too much

I just started studying LSAT...my goal is 175+... do you recommend taking all 75 tests?

Hey,

I used this site before taking my first LSAT around two years ago. I am planning on taking the LSAT again and starting up a new course. When I was here last, PDFs were on site. I believe I purchased quite a few of them, would I still have access to them now if I returned?

Thanks

Hey guys I would like you all to give me some insight into my situation. I've been taking full length pretests #39-45 beginning this month and my scored ranged from 165-172, 172 being the last of the set. Then this week I decided to switch over to the newer PT, 55-58 specifically and all of a sudden by score dropped to low 160's with me running out of time on almost every section. Any possible explanations for this? I feel like logical reasoning is kicking my butt on these newer exams. Planning to complete PT's 59-73 before the October exam. I hope I'm not burning out, been doing PT either everyday or every other day.

Hey Guys,

I know that this topic has been beaten to a pulp but I thought that I probably couldn't hurt to write it again (to at least help me feel better). But what's been happening is that I've been studying intensively for about 7 months now (25-35 hours a week) after working full time. Everything was really good and I took the June 2015 LSAT. I took a break in June and restarted my push for October starting in July. Everything was still going smoothly, I took PTs and BR every day.

Now, I'm looking at PT 73, PT 74, and PT 75 (my June 2015 LSAT that I haven't looked at since test day..just so I can crush my old nemesis before going to handle business this Saturday!). But when I sat down to read the RC for 72, I was blanking. Didn't understand a single word. Got really frustrated and mad at everything and just gave up. I think the pressure is finally getting to me. I'm averaging at like 172 but it's been taking a dip lately.

Is this the classic example of Burnout? And how should I go about trying to overcome it before this Saturday???

SOS. HELP!

Thanks so much again, everyone

Well I hit the weird game in PT 72 and all of my confidence got sucked out of me. I have been able to get the old games and the new games without any problems, but for some reason I just felt off with the 72 logic games and now my confidence is gone, Idk what happened.

How much room is there in the test booklet? Does the test look just like the PTs? No scratch paper just seems like another way to make this exam more painful than it already is.

Hello Everyone,

I wanted to ask advice of any of the 7sagers here--I'd really, really appreciate it. I've been kind of lost amongst the different study methods and feel I need to schedule some pattern before the December. Also, good luck to all of those taking the October!! Sending good vibes to my friends and other members here on the 3rd.

So here's the situation:

Diagnostic was 149. By now after the curriculum I've taken a few PTs, Actual: 155,152,156, 152, respectively. BR: 162, 166, 166, 169, and 164, respectively. LR I avg -9, LG -13, and RC -6. I find timing to be a problem, as many probably do.

Initially I wanted to take 3 tests a week, but I have only been taking 2 since I've felt I needed more time to review--but I also think taking the tests has been helping me in terms of stamina, and the exposure seems good. I know I have a lot lot lot of work to do in LG,...so should I just take a break from the PTs and just do a few sets every day for a week or something before revisiting PTs? And LR I'm also behind--should I spend more time drilling conditionals and revisiting NA in the curriculum, for example, or spend more time reviewing the questions of the PTs I've taken? I've only taken the PTs in the 40s...and I keep freaking out at entire games. I've gone over a few of the LR chapters in the Trainer but for some reason it doesn't seem to be clicking...

Basically I'm not sure where I should be spending more time. If I'm feeling very tired one day, should I put off taking an exam until I'm much more focused and ready to improve my score? My friends have kept telling me "take as many PTs as possible before the exam" and have made it sound as though sheer repetition of PTs will make me better somehow. I want to break into the 60's soon...how many PTs do I expect to take before I get there? My goal was a 170 but I know that's very difficult and at this point I just want to be getting BETTER.

Would really love your help. :)) I wish I could offer more to you guys but I've been mostly learning from the community here. maybe in the future...

Eye of the Tiger? I will Survive?

Nah... BURN IT DOWN!

I have done 10 PTs (I am very early in the PT process), but I would like to know at what point in your studies did you start consistently hitting your target raw score when you took PTs. I'd just like an average frame of reference for my studies.

When we say that X is defined as Y, would that create a biconditional? For example, if I look up the word "apple" in the dictionary, I get "the round fruit of a tree of the rose family, which typically has thin red or green skin and crisp flesh. Many varieties have been developed as dessert or cooking fruit or for making cider." Does this relationship always create a biconditional? Just curious.

I have gone through the 7Sage class ciriculum twice (once about a year ago, and again one month ago), so I feel I have a pretty good grasp of the fundamentals (PTs are mid to high 160s right now; 173 is my target score). I have heard great things about the Trainer here, so I decided to pick it up. How long do you think it should take to thoroughly go through the LSAT Trainer? Is one month reasonable? I don't want to rush through it.

Hi everyone,

So I've been studying for 3 months and not really seeing too many patterns in LR or even LG. I'm going to start the foolproof method for LG, but I needed help drilling for LR. I don't want to buy the cambridge packets because I've already spent too much money on prep...is there another, efficient way to drill LR question types?

I have been PTing around 163 (last 5 tests).

Two days ago I took PT 73 and my score dropped to 156 (wtf)- I have no idea what happened, I zoned out during LG got -11 and did horrible on the second LR (-11).

I am aiming for 160+ and will probably retake in Dec to aim for 165+.

Anyhow, I realized that I should probably stop taking fresh PTs. PT 73 killed my confidence.

Would it benefit me to be do timed PTs of tests that I've taken instead?

If not, what should I be doing?

Thanks!

Pretty simple question, can we wear ear plugs during the exam?

I was lucky enough to book my test center on my college's campus (going for home field advantage) and it's near a quad that frequently holds events. I'm worried that people will be starting to gather outside the test center during the later sections of the test

Hello friends.

Lots of stress and discouragement floating around.

Let's help one another.

How can we encourage you today?

Two questions:(preferably someone who has taken the lsat can answer these)

1. My admission ticket first and last name match exactly but there is no middle name on my admission ticket. On my id my middle name is listed. Lsac policy says "first and last name must match exactly" but doesn't mention middle name. Has anyone had an issue or is there anything I should be worried about?

2. I wear glasses only when my eyes get fatigued (usually for reading comprehension section) and plan on bringing my reading glasses on test day. Lsac doesnt mention eye glasses as one of the "ONLY" items they allow on your desk on test day nor do they mention them being allowed in your ziplock. They also don't mention them as being prohibited or not allowed. I don't wear them when I'm just walking around (like during check in) so could i wear them like on my shirt? Or put them in my ziplock?

This last week till the lsat has me so stressed out over little stuff....ughh.

My last PT (67) and practice sections have all been below my average for the last month (165) and I'm starting to panic a little bit. I feel like my focus is gone, and because of that I've been making lots of dumb mistakes. I'm scheduled to take the exam in one week. Is there anything that I can do to get out of this funk before test day?

At this point, all the improvement you have made is pretty much what it will be on test day. That is, there is not significant time to learn core concepts and strategies that you've not already gone over. So just a few gameday tips:

-Focus on timing and endurance right now. If you're not already doing 5 section PTs, you're doing yourself a disservice on test day. Do those this week. Hell, do 6 sections. It will prepare you to endure the rigor on test day. Believe me, on that last section you're ready to go home, so you will need to call on the perseverance you've practiced.

-Be prepared to do 3 LR sections, or 2 RC sections, or 2 Games sections. Whichever your worst section is, get ready to do it as the experimental. And they could be back to back, mixed up, anything. Prepare for the worst possible scenario. For me, it was the worst possible scenario on test day.

-Eat CARBS. Some of you may be on diets that minimize carb intake, but for the purposes of the LSAT this is a mistake. The brain needs a supply of glucose to function well, and if it is immediately available from a carbohydrate source, you'll be just a bit more ready to handle the deluge of questions. I recommend a complex carb source like whole wheat bread or brown rice. Do not (I repeat) do not eat sweets before/during the test.

-SLEEP well before the test. This may be easier said than done. I have prescription sleep meds, so I was able to get 8.5 hrs on test day, but if you don't have that luxury, you might look into other relaxation tactics to ensure adequate sleep.

-Caffeine - go a little bit above your normal levels. You want to be primed for the test, but not overly caffeinated to the point that you lose concentration and get a headache.

-Don't drink too much, but drink enough that you won't be parched. You get one bathroom break, and it's usually pretty quick. Do everything you can in the bathroom before the test starts.

-Visit the testing center, walk around, get comfortable. Make sure you can get there on test day, and show up a little early if possible.

-Don't try to do anything you didn't practice, like new strategies, or use highlighters, use erasers not tacked to the ends of pencils, etc. You want all those routines on autopilot on test day.

And that's all I can think of off the top of my head. Good luck on the test, and maybe I'll see you at UT/UH in the Fall! I also cannot wait until they release the PT for this test. Sounds silly, but I look forward to taking it.

Hello friends and LSAT warriors :)

First of all, A BIG FAT GOOD LUCK TO THE OCT TESTERS. You guys are gonna KILL it, no doubt :)

Question for all you LSAT gods:

I am currently in the process of re reading the Trainer and retaking 51-62 (retook 50 yday got a 162 actual, 169 BR)

I have taken 62-64, and 69 (just to jump around) same score range (159-161)

Fresh ones left: 65, 66, 67 68 70-75 (9)

My plan is to retake 51-62, 2 per week, with intense af BRs (shoutout to @Pacifico for the clean copy recommendation, I have finally started to atleast BR in my target range)

HERE IS THE QUESTION:

a) is my above schedule sounding good to you lsat gods?

b) perhaps like 2 weeks before the d-day, should I take the fresh ones or (actually read on TLS that you should have taken all exams upto test date and save no fresh ones until test day which i am dubious about) as of now I have scheduled 70-75 in the last two weeks and week of, one exam on mon, BR tuesday, and rest up wed-fri maybe to timed LGs but nothing crazy.

Thank you so much for reading this and helping me out, I appreciate all you LSAT gods :)

Everyone,

"Desire is the key to motivation, but it's determination and commitment to an unrelenting pursuit of your goal - a commitment to excellence - that will enable you to attain the success you seek." By Mario Andretti.

I would like to say ‘Hi’ to our 7Sage family. I have been here on and off for almost a year. I fortunately met J.Y. Ping in person when I was working in Korea. He is very smart and inspired me. I always find my excuse to avoid the study by doing something unnecessary.

I think this is the time to change and give a commitment to myself that I will make it happen like most of you. I am happy to come here and see many of you improving a lot by studying from 7Sage. I would like to do the same.

Let’s make it happen, TOGETHER!

http://www.amazon.com/LSAT-Trainer-remarkable-self-study-self-driven/dp/0989081508/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1443325996&sr=8-1&keywords=Lsat+trainer. That is the LSAT Trainer you guys told me to buy right. It says 2015 and I know there are other ones published. I start studying for the LSAT in 2016 but I was told to review the trainer as much as possible before I start studying,so will there be a 2016 version to the LSAT trainer that I should wait for,or should I just get the 2015 version.

JY’s explanation was very helpful, but there’s one part of the question that’s been bugging me.

We’re told in the premise that people who would be “adversely affected were [the bill] to become law are very influential.”

Answer choices (B) includes “any bill that is opposed by influential people” and (C) has “those who oppose it are not very influential.” I understand and accept JY's explanations for why these are wrong and why (E) is correct, but I think there might be something else wrong with those answer choices.

A lot of the explanations I see for why B & C are wrong still seem to accept that it is the influential people who oppose the bill. However, can we really make the assumption that the influential people who would be adversely affected by the bill would oppose it?

It definitely seems like an unstated assumption in the first part of the argument, but is it really valid to say that they would oppose it (and that’s why the bill won’t be passed)?

It’s possible I’m not really understanding what “adversely affected” means. However, isn’t it possible be adversely affected by a bill, but still support it? (for example, wealthy individuals might support higher taxes for the rich, even though that adversely affects them).

It’s one the assumptions that jumped out at me when I did my BR and partly how I was able to get rid of (B) and (C). But I’ve read explanations from different sources and they all seem to accept the assumption that the influential people being adversely affected are the ones opposing the bill.

Thanks!