Hello,

I am having trouble with diagramming this

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-58-section-1-question-25/

Not to sure how to be spending the last day of studying. I haven't taken PT 75 or 76 yet. I don't know how I reasoned this earlier, but I was hoping to "save up" for one of em and PT after I had the most knowledge/ability I could possibly have in order to get the most accurate reading of what the actual test and my score is going to be like. Obvious mistake. So should I spend all day going over wrong questions, difficult question types, or go ahead and PT 75 or 76? I just don't know how much it'd benefit me, if at all. Most likely taking Friday off...

Thanks in advance!

I have been studying for the LSAT since September, I had planned to take it in February giving myself enough time to conquer the beast. However, around late October I began to see great improvements on my score, and the LSAT began to click more easily for me. I decided to take it this December 5, a couple of days from now believing that i would have enough time to get to the high 160's. Yet to my dismay, I can't get over the mid 160s, and I know that I could get it higher if I wasn't pressured by time. Now my question is this, considering that my money has already been spent and there are no refunds, should I take the exam and wish for the best, or should I just sit it out till February? While also having in mind that I must score in the 168-170+ range for my top choices of schools.

Another question is that if I take it in Dec. and perform badly, will I still have a chance of entering the Fall 2016 school year considering that I take the Feb. exam and perform well.

Thank you for reading! All feedback will be appreciated.

Can someone please help me with the embedded conditional for choice A. Answered it correctly by POE, but having troubles breaking down the s/n.

Can someone explain to me why the answer isn't A

Hey guys—I've got some game day tips I'd like to share. This is what I'm doing this week; I think about these things very strategically. I believe these steps help to keep stress down and morale up.

1) Between now and Saturday, wake up at 6am. Waking up ~3 hours before the earliest time you're likely to start the test (in October, we put pencil to paper by 9.15 at an unusually efficient testing center) will help ensure that your cortisol levels are up and that you're fully awake. Waking up at this time between now and Saturday helps to ensure that you'll be tired enough to go to bed Friday night. Also, no screens/blue light after 9pm. This will help ensure that you're not artificially stimulating cortisol (waking yourself up) before bed.]

2) Pre-hydrate. Drink a gallon of water today, and every day before the test. It's really not that big of a deal to drink that much water, and doing so will ensure that you are well hydrated the morning of without having to drink much (if any) liquids.

3) Practice your game day routine at least twice. This means wake up at 6am, eat the exact same breakfast you plan for game day. Keep track of what you eat and drink and when you do it. Track your hunger, thirst, and bathroom need levels (just like in The Sims). Pro-tip: if you need to go at 10AM, there's a very strong likelihood that if you follow the same plan/timing, you will need to go in the middle of section 2. Which is what we want to avoid.

4) Day of, general: don't do anything differently from your dress rehearsals. No magic pills. No extra coffee. No tricks. No surprises. I recommend you get to the test center early and just go for a walk around the grounds if feasible. You might see some insane people flipping out. Disregard. You are not them.

5) Day of, warm up: Whatever you do, don't score anything. And don't do any new material. Maybe take a handful of LR Q's, maybe one easy game, maybe one easy RC. Just chill out about it. You're just warming up your mechanics.

6) Day of, during the break: Seriously, don't talk to anyone. People will try to talk to you because they are nervous or want reassurance. You are not there to be anyone's friend. You are not there to be anyone's therapist or life coach. My advice if someone talks to you: tell them you've taken a vow of silence until after the test. Yes, @Pacifico, I see the irony of telling someone that you've taken a vow of silence :) But do whatever you need to ice them out and indicate that you're not available for chatting. However you put up your personal "Do Not Disturb" status—just don't let anyone throw you off your game.

No magic.

No tricks.

No fear.

No regrets.

Game Day, Dec. 2015.

YOU GOT THIS.

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I am having a pretty hard time explicitly ruling out C on this one. I correctly chose E during the exam, but on a second viewing of this question, C seems attractive. Here is my breakdown:

This is a strengthen question.

Biopsies taken on people who have had throat surgery show that people who snored had a higher probability of having abnormalities in their throat muscles relative to those who didn’t snore. Thus, snoring damages the abnormalities.

What I am looking for: This is a typical causal flaw: what if the throat abnormalities cause snoring? In other words, what if the causation were reversed? What if something else caused snoring and the abnormalities? What if it is a coincidence? We need to deny these cases.

Answer A: Does this do anything? This might actually weaken the argument because you need to assume that people were being truthful. Is someone going to lean towards honesty when talking about snoring? Maybe not.

Answer B: Who cares what the surgery was for? We want to strengthen the idea that the snoring causes the abnormalities.

Answer C: Doesn't this rule out the possibility that age, weight, and health are a potential alternate cause? Wouldn't this strengthen the argument? It obviously doesn't since it isn't the correct answer, but I don't see how it does not.

Answer D: We don’t care about people who haven’t undergone surgery. Our biopsies deal only with people who have undergone surgery. Plus, this is sort of similar to B. We don’t care about either the intent of the surgery (answer B) nor the effect of the surgery (this answer choice).

Answer E: This is exactly what I anticipated, so I chose this and moved on.

Link to the video: http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-62-section-2-question-16/

Hi All,

I'm interested in how other people feel about this topic, especially from LG vets.

I'm practicing LG with the assumption that, as I do more of these, I'll eventually begin to recognize patterns (similar keyboards, rules, conditionals, etc.). Is this true? I was talking to my roommate (who killed the October LSAT with 170+), and he told me that after 100 LG games, "I have never seen one that's similar."

Wondering if anyone has a clue how to figure which section is fake over the real lsat test.

Quick question, took 3/4 of prep test 53 before I realized I was so burnt out and needed a break in general. Did both LR sections and LG, never graded it or looked at the answers. A month later I took it and got a 171. I'm in the 160s generally speaking and I have above average memory. How should I interpret this? Thanks.

I have realized after taking a speedy prep course two times and feeling rushed, I was forced to move quickly and not be able to fully understand the fundamentals of logic. (Not hating on them it works for some people but did not work for me). I was advised to push back my test date from Dillon to June instead of February which is a sigh of relief for me because then there is no rush and its about 24 hours of studying per week which sounds awesome. I am learning the basic fundamentals for the 3rd time which kind of concerns me because I feel like maybe I am wasting time doing that? (But then again its really helpful to hear it from a different more methodology that 7sage provides. Obviously my 4 months of studying did not do me well because I only went from a 134 to a 146 and I want to get to the mid 160 range. I am repeater and obviously there is no April or May exam I get that it would be ideal to space out my studying to June especially since it will give me enough time to take around 40 prep tests within the given course curriculum for the next 6 months. I am also not worried about burning out because it would force me to study around 2-3 hours a day instead of 6-8 which I used to do... and proving myself wrong again that it also did not help and is not an ideal range of studying per day as 2-3 hours are. I just feel like the one thing that concerns me is the beginning stages of the course you can get through pretty quickly, so what happens if I finish week 1 earlier than next Wednesday (I started today). I don't want to move forward because then that would make me finish the course earlier which could make me finish a month before the June test or maybe even more who knows. What should I do if I was recommended to space my studies until June for this course and I have a week or even weeks where I finish the lectures quickly. Especially the beginning ones since I am familiar with them. Obviously I wont be ready by February because I cant imagine taking the course in a month and then the last month take 40 exams that would be terrible lol. Please help me ease my nerves! Sorry for the long reply. I just dont want to feel like I am not doing enough.

Hey everyone,

Like many of you, I'm supplementing the 7sage course with the Trainer. The past few weeks I've been going through Mike's drills for the LR types I'm weakest in. After every question (and before checking the answers) I write out a brief summary of the stimulus (conclusion, reasoning, assumption, etc) and then the reason I chose the answer I did. If I get it wrong, I write out why the right answer is right and why the answer I chose was wrong. This process takes a long time, but I am definitely benefitting from it. Those of you scoring 170+, do you benefit from writing out summaries? Or what process works best for you during review? Currently scoring in the mid 160s and am determined to reach the 170s by Februrary. Any advice is greatly appreciated!

We’re 3 days away people. We should celebrate our effort!

Celebrate? But the test is 3 days away?

I’m not saying it’s time to break open the bottle of Krug you’ve had saved for the past 4 years, but I think it’s important to celebrate the effort one takes independent of any sort of outcome. You’ve all worked so hard these past few days/weeks/months/years/decades/centuries/Millenia. It seems silly not to honor that effort before the actual LSAT Day. It also helps to make the actual LSAT Day less of just about "the most pivotal moment of my life" and more of just another preptest.

What should we talk about? Any thing you want. You can talk about how your mom still does your laundry if you want. But if you need things to talk about:

How has the LSAT prep process changed you?

What are you going to miss about LSAT prep?

What are you NOT going to miss about LSAT prep?

What’s your favorite J.Y. moment in your prep?

What LSAT question/passage/game is the bane of your existence?

What LSAT question/passage/game taught you the most?

What are you planning to do the night before the test?

What are you planning to do the morning of the test?

What are you planning to do AFTER the test?

But again, talk about whatever you want to talk about. The point is for people who’ve been part of a similar journey to get together to talk about that journey. Hope to see you there!

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So about RC, the memory method is definitely helping my understanding of passages. Retention is better. I don’t get bogged down with every single detail. I’m currently working on “more RC;” which is the section just before “Intro to Logic Games”; so still lots of lessons to do before moving on PT's. My problem is I, for the most part still require more time than what JY prescribes; both for reading the passage and for doing the questions) Of course sometimes there are passages where I do finish in time. But on average maybe a minute or two more than what JY prescribes?

So I want to ask the veterans who had to deal with this reading speed issue- does it improve over time? How did you come to read faster? Can you retrace some of the steps you took that helped improve your speed?

From what I’ve gleaned, I’m aware of a couple things that should help.

1. Just having better developed reasoning skills (which I reckon and hope will come in time, by doing the lessons)

2. The habit of moving on quickly from one question to the next when you’re really sure of an answer and skipping ones you know that’s gonna be more time consuming.

Are there other things that should help? Thoughts? Advices?

Just making sure "sufficient" follows "the only" below and is "true wisdom"? How you diagram this with contrapositive?

"The only true wisdom is in knowning you know nothing "--Socrates

Hello,

I'm having trouble with understanding how to properly diagram this to get to the right answer. I initially chose A, but apparently the correct answer is D. But I'm not sure as to why.

I'm having trouble with this question

Anyone else finding it a bit harder to focus on studying with only 3 or so days until the test? Maybe it's just my undiagnosed ADHD lol

I'm trying to figure out the best way to prepare for the LSAT between now and December. Now, I feel as if I'm doing BR wrong. My BR scores and my PT scores are very close. On the last test I did, there was a difference of just one point (for reference I'm PTing in the low/mid-170s).

But one thing that the BR process has taught me is that I make a lot of confidence errors due to misreading and timing pressure. I'm considering BRing the entire test to address this, but my gut tells me that that would be a poor use of time because it seems like I would be better off actively practicing to improve timing instead of going over 20+ questions to find that I missed one due to forgetting that it included the word "except." The only thing I seem to be learning is that I need to read more carefully?

With that said, though, I do BR the LG section in its entirety, because I'm not -0 in LG. I'm getting there but...

Also, since December is rapidly approaching, I feel as if I should emphasize going through more PTs instead of BR, but going through PTs quickly seems to be looked down upon by the LSAT experts here, so before I went through with my atypical plan of quickly progressing through PTs while continuing to BR as I already am, I thought I would double check with all of the wise people here.

I'm taking the December test this weekend and I'm not feeling up to my full potential. Even though I've had the flu this week, I still feel like I'll do moderately well, but not as well as I know I can do. If I apply for schools with my December test and end up doing better on my February test, will law schools still take my Feb LSAT into account? Are there any disadvantages to this in terms of scholarship money, likelihood of getting accepted, etc? Or should I wait to apply to schools until I have taken the Feb LSAT?

Hi everyone,

So, I'm currently studying for the LSAT (obvs). I originally planned on taking it in October, then pushed it back to December. And now I've pushed it back to (hopefully) February. I've been studying mostly on material comprehension and less on timing. I've taken three *untimed* practice tests so far and I've received a 164/165 on each of them.

Here's my problem: so with just a little over 2 months until the February LSAT, will I be able to both

A) hit my 173 target score? I want to be scoring 3 points above my target score, and I dont want to score anything less than a 170

and B) train myself on timing?

I quit my job to study for the LSAT/work on applications. So I'm currently unemployed and have a lot of time to devote to this. There's been too much distraction at home for me (family of 8 in a tiny apartment) and so I'm moving in with a friend where I can have peace and quiet these next two months to just study.

Has anyone who has been able to bring their score up from the 164/165 range to the 171/173 range comment on the difficulty/amount of time/strategies it took for you to get there? Did you do this timed or untimed? Am I hopeless, and should I push this back to June? I don't completely mind the unemployment aspect, but would rather not delay having to work until June if you get what I'm saying.

Any sort of guidance anyone has to offer would be greatly appreciated! I would also love to do study groups/BR even with someone else, if anyone is interested. Thanks!

Of course you are. You're about to take an important test. It's not the most important test though. That one is called the February LSAT.

Just kidding. This is likely the last LSAT you'll ever take.

I'm only trying to remind you that for something this important, there are second chances. That's not true for a lot of other important things in life, so that's something to feel good about.

For most of you, you already know what score you'll get. Take your last three recent properly administered LSAT PrepTests (e.g., 74, 75, 76) and average your scores. You'll get plus or minus 3 points of that average.

There is nothing separating you from that score except the mere passing of a few day's time.

You are as prepared as you can be. You have already seen everything those crafty LSAT writers will throw at you and you've amply demonstrated your ability to respond with craftiness of your own.

Saturday will be just another PT day and the December 2015 LSAT will be just another PT. PrepTest 77, in fact, when the LSAC releases it. And how different could that be from PT 76 and PT 75 and PT 74 and on and on and on.

You're ready.

That's not to say, of course, that you won't encounter a few insanely difficult curve breaker questions. Every LSAT has them. Every student who has ever taken the LSAT before you has encountered them. You will encounter them (again) on Saturday. I am telling you this now, so you will be prepared. Skip them. Keep moving. Maintain your rhythm.

You got this.

I don't know its just me but the videos arent loading at all. YouTube is playing fine and other sites are are loading without problems but these videos aren't buffering at all....

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Come to Group BR tonight to talk about him!

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I've finally gotten slightly closer to my goal and I've been PTing in the 158-162 range, my goal being a 165 but I have yet to take any of the most recent LSATs (PT. 73-76). After reading everyone's comments about the increased difficulty I wouldn't want to bomb some of those exams and get discouraged. Anyone have any advice when I should be taking these?

Thanks!