We all know what AP and MP questions are, but I have ran into many harder AP and MP questions where the stimuli does not actually explicitly state the conclusion, making it difficult to label the different roles each sentences play. The conclusion in these questions are instead implied by the structure of the argument. Since I have ran into several questions like this, I have reasons to believe that this is a recurring theme on harder AP questions that we should be familiar with. However, this is only a hypothesis based on my experience, so I am here to ask all of you to pay attention to this type of questions and post it on this thread to confirm or reject this hypothesis.

Here are two questions that I have so far.

Preptest 28 Sec 3 # 14

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-28-section-3-question-14/

The conclusion here is that citizens in a democratic country should not neglect to vote.

Preptest 50 Sec 2 # 19

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-50-section-2-question-19/

The conclusion here seems to be that one should not go too far in limiting one's fat intake.

In either case the conclusion is not mentioned in the stimuli.

What are your opinions' on this?

I just took PT 50 after going through the syllabus and I did TERRIBLY on the LR. I just blanked out while taking the test because some of the LR questions were SOOO much harder than the questions I drilled using Cambridge packets.

I got 1 wrong on RC (ran out of time on the last question... but I got it right during blind review! still I did run out of time...), 14 wrong on LR (S***!!!! Even after blind review I had 8 wrong :/), and 2 wrong on LG (missed an inference... thankfully got it during blind review).

I couldn't even understand some of the LR stimuli and wanted to cry lol.

How do you suggest I go about getting better at LR? My plan was to do PT's every 3-4 days in August and September starting from #50 and hope to hit 175+ but after this I feel like an idiot. I followed JY's methodology (I think 7sage is the best course I've taken to prepare for LSAT) but there is something wrong with my comprehension level that I am still struggling. How can I improve? Please I have just two months to set LR straight.

I scored a 16x something on the 2007 june PT.

tl;dr My comprehension level is lacking when it comes to LR questions and I am unable to understand some of the stimuli. I know I can do the questions because 7sage's methods have been VERY helpful but I was unable to answer some of the LR's on the PT in time even though I did reasonably well when going thru cambridge drill packets answering each question in less than 1.5 min.

Go watch the new star trek movie. Its great! Just watched it last night. There is some nice logic thingies with spock you will enjoy and would motivate you.

Don't worry, its not like the first one (if you didn't enjoy the first movie). Its so much better than the first one too. And if you haven't watched the first one, you would still understand this one.

I wonder if we have PT69 and can we can the explanation for that one ?

Hi everyone, I am taking the LSAT in December (I am working abroad so I only have time to study part time) I am thinking of doing a timed Preptest every Saturday up until test day (and of course finishing off the 7sage course), or in other words 21 timed PT's, and during the week really going over everything thoroughly, blind reviewing etc. There is quite a bit of additional material in the course from other tests so I am thinking that this should be enough. I am aiming to score in the high 160's, I have written the LSAT once before after attempting self studying while also working, and I didn't spend nearly enough time and did very few actual full length PT's. I scored in the 150's, and my goal is to improve 8 to 10 points. I am wondering what you guys think? I believe that doing 21 as opposed to 30ish tests will allow me to really review properly and take my time without overwhelming myself, which may be the disadvantage of attempting to squeeze in more preptests before or after work etc. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.

I noticed that some games are very easy to diagram. However, I am always unsure on how many sketches I should make. In order to save time, is there a general method for knowing when to draw multiple diagrams vs. using only one?

Some classes of animal are so successful that they spread into virtually every ecosystem...

Answer: the argument is flaw because "what is true of a whole is also true of its constituent elements"

However, It seems to me that the argument is quite valid. All insects are so successful and ants are the most successful among insects, we can conclude that ants are also successful, which means is not a threatened species. I can't find "whole" "part" flaw here. Anyone help me ?

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-48-section-1-question-17/

I started taking the train to work and I love that I can go on 7sage without any issues from my phone!

I recall JY saying in the intro lectures that 7sage was fully compatible with mobile devices. I encourage all students to take advantage of this feature!

And of course: thanks 7sage!

Hey a little background info for me on my LSAT life

Started studying in May - May and June were mainly LG stuff ,and I wasn't studying properly really. I started studying properly in June, and July is almost done now. I diagnostic at 140, so In about 2.5 months I made a 10 point jump.

My breakdown was about : RC - 15, LR:13, LR 15, LG 14 (these are the amounts I got correct)

I also feel I did not perform as good as I could have today, I felt really tired and not focused but was anxious to see where I was at. I think I made some dumb mistakes here and there that probably cost me a few points. For example, one of the questions I was looking over said only 1% chose the answer I picked, which was wrong. This tells me its a really dumb error on my part, and this was in LR which is usually my best section.

What is everyones opinion? My goal is to get LG's down to at least just -3, but preferably to -0. LR, strangely, didn't show much improvement although I have been drilling it a lot lately which kinda of sucks. Hoping to get that score up as well.

Hello all!

Just out of curiosity, can you guys/gals list a few of your prep habits/exercises that you do or have picked up from someone else (other than preptests, timed preptests, the obvious, etc) that you feel are effective? Example: reading The Economist to stimulate comprehension skills, waking up every Saturday and taking a test at the time you are scheduled to take the LSAT, etc. Thanks and Good Luck!

Hi all, this question comes from PT35, section 1, question 23, i chose E on this one. Can anyone share your thoughts on why E is incorrect?

I thought the author makes assumption that in order to survive, you need to have many beliefs, and then the statistician's rule is all about overall correctness of the total set of one's belief. So the author is implying if you want to survive, you need to have many correct beliefs, right? given the statistician's rule, this is not going to happen, so that is why they are incorrect.

Thanks in advance!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-35-section-1-question-23/

Just came across a discussion where LSAT takers were saying they start at the middle of the LR sections, essentially getting the hardest questions out of the way first. then working on the easier ones last (1-10/11), since you can speed read those quicker. Do you recommend this approach? I've never heard of this before, they say this is where they saw their biggest jumps.

Philosopher: It is absurd to argue that people are morally obligated to act...

I am totally lost in the last sentence of this stimulus. Can anyone clarify the meaning of last sentence to me ?

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-47-section-3-question-20/

I remember the Inference, sufficient assumption question should be the freebies for 170.

Today I do PT46, which is the first PT I do after diagnose.

I got actual 159(76 right), BR 167(87 right).

Actual Reading 19/27, Game 20/22, LR 19/25, 18/26

Blind review: Reading 23/27, Game 21/22, LR 23/25, 20/26

Time management is still a big problem, I can't finish every section except games.

Is it possible for me get 170 on October? I plan do 3 PT a week with Blind Review.

Wondering for the LR, if J.Y. suggests us doing them (IE: drilling them) in the order they are given in the syllabus, due to their nature of building on one another? Or am I wrong in this thinking?

Is anyone else aiming for perfection? I realize this is a very remote possibility, but I feel like it's really helping my prep just to have such a lofty goal, and I'll benefit from it even if I don't actually pull it off on test day. It's forcing me to address every possible weakness.

From Dec '09 to Dec '12 the frequency of the most questions missed to still hit 180 was:

-1 (30% likely)

-2 (40% likely)

-3 (30% likely)

Obviously, this is would take a confluence of skill and luck on the actual test, as well as not getting stuck with a -1 test. I have scored 178 three times over the past 5 tests, but these were PTs in the 20s, and those were raw scores of -5,-7,-4. On the Dec '12 test, those raws would have only been 177,175,178 respectively. So, I still have a long way to go to have a chance at accomplishing the impossible dream. I've got just under 2 months of prep under my belt, and I just signed up for this site a few days ago. I already feel like the "Lawgic" lessons are helping me. Thus far, I have not been diagramming conditionals in LR. I think that is going to net me a question here and there. I'm going to go through the entire curriculum to see what else I can pick up.

I am scoring -0 or -1 on most LG sections, anywhere from -0 to -2 on each LR section, and consistently -2 with a few -1 on RC sections.

In order to pull this off, I will need to first not pull a -1 test, and then on test day come up with a -0 LG and -2 over both LRs and RC (-3 if I am lucky enough to pull a -3 test)

Again, very unlikely, but a handful of people do pull this off every cycle.

* Premise:

- TV news watchers have NO expectations of careful discussion of public issues.

- newspaper readers have the expectation of careful discussion of public issues.

* Conclusion: In contrast to regular newspaper reading, regular watching of network television news programs increases the tendency to think of public issues in oversimplified terms.

*** WEAKENING Answer: Regular watchers of network television news programs are much more likely than other people to be habitual readers of newspapers.

(PT 11/Section 2/#18)

I can see how the answer overlaps the two demographic groups(newspaper readers and TV watchers), but can't the conclusion still stand? Even if the same people watch the news AND read newspapers, the action of watching news itself(=the subject of the conclusion) can still have its impact. Whether they do read the newspapers or not, anybody who watches the TV news are still subjected to the influence of watching TV.... No?

Can anyone point out the critical flaw in my reasoning?

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat11-section-2-question-18/

I feel great pressure and can't even sleep well at night. My aim is above 170 and now I am around actual 155, BR 165. Can I really reach my goal on the test day? I really doubt about that and feel hopeless. I spend all day long to study LSAT alone but efficiency is really low. OMG.

How do you guys time yourself while drilling LR? just do 24 questions in 35 mins ? 10 in 15 mins? not timed at all?

Hi all!

I'm looking for someone/some people to write preptests with Toronto. I think that the social pressure will make me take it more seriously and give me a bit more discipline. And then after we can do blind review together. Let me know if you're interested. I will most likely write the tests at Robarts library at U of T as I can't think of anywhere better to go haha.

Caitlin

I feel kind of hopeless on LG. I've improved since I've been studying, but I figured after a few months I'd have them down, but its not the case. I still get trouble with some double layered sequencing games, and I havent really done much grouping yet. I do the games - watch the 7 sage video - memorize the inferences through printing a bunch of copies out. I duno what to do now. I practice them for hours a day and I feel like I am not gaining much progress on them. (I have both the LGB and MLG)

I recently just took a proctored practice test and on my first try I only scored a 140. This was without any studying except for about an hr looking at 1D games (which I got correct on the exam). Is there any way I would be able to achieve over a 160 then? I hear so many people saying that they have gotten 160s on their first practice test, but if that was with studying, Idk? Anyways... I think fear of failure is setting in for some reason. What do you guys think about the first PT marks? I am writing in October.

Hi! I took the June 2013 LSAT and got a decent score but I know I can do better. I did the Kaplan online class, which didn't really help me all that much. I was wondering if this is different enough from Kaplan to help raise my score? I don't live close to any in-class options so I can only do online anyways. Any suggestions on other study material would be great! thanks!

I really appreciate the LG videos. They have been very helpful. Thank you! I am feeling very confident about setting up a game and making inferences. My issue right now is that it takes me FOREVER to go through the questions, especially the first question on each game, those where there is tons of language. The dinosaur game comes to mind (Test 57,game 3). I was able to set it up correctly & got all questions right but it was "painful" to go through each question and answer which contained so much convoluted language. I would like to know if you have tips, general information, or tutorials on how to approach LG questions/ question types with the goal of moving through them quickly without losing accuracy?

Many thanks in advance!