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Hey guys,

I've been studying for around 4 months and I've been getting quite discouraged by the big differences in my practice test and blind review scores, and was hoping to see if i could get any advice from anyone whose had similar experiences as me.

I have done around 20 practice tests and noticed that when i do them completely untimed, I get high around a 170 (give and take 3-4 points) However, the problem is that when i do them under timed settings, my score drops all the way down to 159-160s... its really concerning me, especially that i have a test scheduled this September.

Any advice would be appreciated! (Would also like to know how long you guys think the process of passing this timed vs untimed hurdle might take)

Thanks,

-K

Explanation (2 mins): https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-40-section-1-question-21/

Question 21 on PrepTest 40 Section 1:

Pizzerias are the only restaurants that routinely record the names, addresses, and menu selections of their customers. Simply by organizing these data, they can easily identify regular, average, and infrequent customers. Therefore, pizzerias utilize direct-mail marketing more effectively than do other restaurants.

Which one of the following, if assumed, enables the argument's conclusion to be properly inferred?

The answer: Answer choice E

Restaurants that routinely record names, addresses, and menu selections of their customers always utilize direct-mail marketing more effectively than do any other restaurants.

What? How are we able to conclude such a strong statement?

From my understanding, the argument structure is very simple. The second sentence in this question is complete fluff. The first sentence provides the premise and the third sentence is the conclusion.

Let's use variables to diagram the logic:

A = Restaurants that routinely record

B = Pizzerias

C = Utilize direct-mail marketing more effectively

First sentence gives: A -> B (Restaurants that record -> Pizzerias)

Answer choice E provides: A -> C (Restaurants that record -> utilize direct-mail)

Conclusion says: B -> C (Pizzerias -> utilize direct-mail)

But using the premise in the first sentence and the assumption provided by the answer, we only get B some C. We can conclude that SOME pizzerias utilize direct-mail marketing more effectively than other restaurants. The conclusion is a general blanket statement that would include all pizzerias (I think).

What am I misunderstanding here? This question has been giving me a lot of headache, thanks to those who took the time to discuss in advance!

Is there a limit to how many times you can buy score preview with the new rules? I used it for the August 2022 test, and I bought it for the October test too. I'm trying to register for November, but it's not showing up in my cart.

August LSAT is my first official LSAT attempt, I got 165. This score is 5 more points than the 75th percentile of my target school. I think chances to be admitted is quite sure. So right now my question is that should I retake the LSAT to secure more scholarship? I checked the 509 report, I think maybe I can get more than half scholarship. But it is still too expensive for me, I need the full scholarship.

So here is the question:

1.Go ahead to apply with my current score. The good thing of this is that I save time and don't have to do it again. And also I can submit early, I think this would increase my chance of scholarship, but I am not sure, pls correct me if I am wrong. The bad thing is that my score is not super high enough to secure full scholarship. But, wait, am I wrong to think in this way. The higher above 75th percentile, the bigger scholarship?

So if I get higher score, then apply on Nov 2, is my chance to get full scholarship biggest?

The bad thing about this plan is I retake, but not good score, then I am late in applying. And then does it mean I screw myself?

Really need advice!

I didn't think I would ever write one of these posts but alas.

In 2019, I started with a diagnostic score of 154. After studying for two years, I scored a 166 in the September 2021 test. I dipped to a 163 in the October 2021 test. After that, I was incredibly discouraged, took a break from studying, decided not to apply to law school that cycle, and even contemplated whether law school was right for me. I restarted studying this past summer, aggressively PTing, drilling, and reviewing, and I'm so happy I was able to increase, even if if it's only three points, my score to a 169.

Could not have done this without 7sage's thorough explanations and resources -- thank you.

My two things of unsolicited advice:

(1) Where there's a will, there's a f**king way.

This journey was incredibly challenging -- mentally and emotionally -- to the point where I asked myself repeatedly whether I even wanted to pursue the law. I felt like I had hit a wall, not once but multiple times, and kept going using brute force because I wanted it. If you want it and if you are willing to put in the work, you can -- and will -- achieve it.

(2) This is your journey and no one else's.

You know what's best for you. You know what study method works for you and how much you need to study to achieve the score you want. For me, because I'm not innately smart, I knew I had to put in more than five times the work than the average person. I answered every PT question, including RC, LG, and LR, from PT 15 and up at least five times (for LG, I did every question six to ten times). I know, crazy. This strategy doesn't work for everyone, but for me, I knew I had to drill these questions several times to develop my ability to recall different patterns (LSAT is all about pattern recognition). Figure out what works for you, and develop your own strategy. Block out the outside noise from your parents, tutors, or other high scorers -- they don't know what works best for you, only you do.

Good luck!

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All,

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Would there be anyways to resolve this?

Best,

Ricky

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Can anyone explain to me why A is incorrect and why D is correct?

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I got my August LSAT score this morning and am very disappointed. On my last 6 PTs I scored 173, 170, 177, 175, 173, 175. I always took them under realistic testing conditions. I really expected to score in the 170s on the actual thing, but I got a 165. The only section I really found challenging was the RC, so I just don't know what happened. I have no idea what to do next, especially because I can't see what I got wrong. I feel very defeated. I signed up for October, and I'm just looking for some tips on how to go about preparing and staying optimistic. :( Has anyone else gone through this?

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Thanks!

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Sorry -- I'm sure this answer is already out there somewhere but I'm having a weirdly hard time finding it.

Thank you!

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Do not go to bed late a night before the exam

Be positive, you can retake it!

Always consider other career options.

DO NOT compare yourself to others, we all have different ways of learning

Your plan B and C could be applying to a mid-tier university, often they even get better jobs!

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Hi everyone,

With LSAT Writing for the September 2022 LSAT about to open on Thursday, September 1, 2022, the LSAC wanted to send a quick reminder about LSAT Writing scratch paper use.

Scratch paper is not permitted during an LSAT Writing session. A digital note taking section is available within the LSAT Writing module to type notes as you write your essay.

You can review the LSAT Writing guidelines, including the Frequently Asked Questions section at the LSAT Writing page on LSAC.org.

If you have any other questions, or need further explanations, you can contact a Candidate Services representative via the chat feature located on the bottom right-hand corner of the pages on LSAC.org, email the LSAC at LSACinfo@LSAC.org with “September LSAT” in the subject line, or call them at 215.968.1001.

Hello 7Sage!

I am a 3L at Georgia Law. I want to offer myself as a resource for anyone interested. Feel free to shoot me a PM! 7Sage was such a resource for me; always looking to give back.

I plan to sit for the July 2023 New Mexico bar. Postgrad, I am interested in Hispanic and Latino civil rights work and advocacy. Specifically, issues affecting the Nuevomexicano community.

1L summer, I worked for a Federal District Court Judge and an Immigration Law Firm. Last fall, I did a D.C. Semester in Practice working for the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division. This past summer, I worked at the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund's (MALDEF) National Public Policy office in D.C.!

I was a 154 LSAT, a 3.5 GPA, a small state school, 4 years of work experience, and URM status. For any other stats, ask!

I look forward to helping anyone I can!

Best,

Jonah

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