My study schedule wants me to basically go through all of the Logical Reasoning sections before I even look at logic games and reading comp... However, I average -4 on a full section and am getting nailed by logic games. My reading comps Im getting 6/7 wrong and I haven't even started that portion of my syllabus. Should I continue to do Logical Reasoning, or go into logic games and get better at that bc I heard its where people make up most of their points.

It only took me three attempts but I was able to score almost 20 points higher than my diag. I could not have done it without the support from 7sage the community and of course, the LSAT wizard himself, J.Y.

Never give up 💪🏼

I studied from April to November (30+ hr/wk). Took Nov Flex scored 168, I wasn’t willing to give up on the 170+ dream. Started studying rigorously again after 3 weeks between my Nov Flex and score release. Took Jan Flex and earned a 173! I hope this post motivates people to never quit and never settle 🙏🏼😎

I can’t thank JY and the fantastic team at 7Sage enough, couldn’t have done it without their fantastic resources!

Stimulus

I fell into a trap and selected 'D' as my answer choice. After reviewing the question again, I realized that I made an assumption when choosing 'D' as the answer choice.

A) "Businesses generally greatly underestimate the risk of future accidents". This was easy for me to glance over because I was looking for a STRONG weakener. However, the correct answer choice doesn't have to be super strong to work. This answer choice works because it demonstrates the "it will probably won't happen to us" mentality. These business may meet the sufficient condition of "values their profits" but there may be an alternative reason or an explanation for their lack of environmental safeguards. If this is true, the conclusion doesn't follow. Therefore, A is the correct answer choice.

B ) We don't know if preventing accidents are long-term or short-term, so what?

C) Business sense is NOT equal to profit. NEXT.

D) This is tricky. "Businesses treat fines that are levied against them as an ordinary business expense". If you're like me, you made an assumption if you selected this answer choice. You probably assumed that businesses wouldn't install safeguards because the cost of the fines are worked into the budget. However, this answer choice could actually strengthen the argument. If businesses meet the sufficient condition of "Values their profits", avoiding accidents could improve their bottom line. Then there's a reason to install safeguards.

E) What does this have to do with their profits???

Thanks for coming to my TED talk. Please critique or provide your reasoning.

Just wondering for those who have sat the flex before: how long do you get in-between sections? I know there is no break, but when you've finished a section are you just automatically flung into the next section or is there like 10 seconds to calibrate before the next section?

Did you get to the point where the test becomes almost easy, or do you consistently feel challenged? I picture J.Y. being able to do it in his sleep. "Nope." "Wrong." "Don't care." "What does that even mean?"

After taking the LSAT for a third time and getting a stagnant score. I decided to take the test again in april aiming for fall admission still. Any advice?

I'm still going through 7sage material, but I'm not seeing much of an improvement in my regular score/BR score. I've been studying 7sage material almost every day since November, but for some reason when I sit to take a full test it's not sticking. (I had been using other studying materials before 7sage since July)

When I practice a few questions at a time, it's easier for me to get them right, but not a whole section.

Am I doing something wrong? I'm going through the core curriculum + taking one PT every 2 weeks. I BR the next day + review and log each question I'm getting wrong. LR is easily my most difficult section, then RC, then LG.

Is it better to focus on a question type for a couple of weeks and then move on? Or focus on a question type for a couple of days and incorporate it the more question types I learn? I feel like I get a good grasp of a question type, and move on just to get them wrong on the PTs I take and I don't know why. I'm re-watching lessons as well, but I feel like I'm not studying smart and there's a better approach. Any advice would be much appreciated.

Racking my brains on this one. Anybody have a solid lawgic explanation?

So, I need to start making some adjustments to the schools I'm applying to because I did not receive the score I wanted and now have to look at other options. It's so late in the admissions process so I just wanted some opinions on the predictor tool 7sage offers.

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to share my story and how its coming to an end. About 2 years ago I started my LSAT journey, thought this was a beatable test and gave myself two months to study. Fumbled hard on the real thing, I did not finish any section and remember circling "E" for probably half of the test questions.

That was a wake up call, I questioned my self worth and if I would ever be able to perform well on this test.

I gave up and worked full time. After working sometime as a supervisor in a warehouse, I realized I was working 60hr weeks and making a shitty salary and had no time for myself. I was stuck in the rat race for little reward. I didn't graduate top of my class to be in this position, I graduated top of my class to give myself the best shot I could to get into law school.

So I reflected on why I started my goal 4 to 6 years ago, and that was to get into Law school and make a difference in my community.

With this in mind, I quit my full time job to pursue studying for the LSAT. It was still a rocky road because I found I would burn out after studying 1 or 2 weeks.

But I kept trying and the longer I studied the more I saw patterns and the more I improved. I managed to eventually PT around 155, my goal score being 160+. With a daughter soon coming into this world, the January LSAT was probably my last shot before having to move on and become a father and take care of my growing family.

I finally completed the LSAT and had mixed emotions on how I performed. It felt easier than what I PTed, but after reading the comments online of people typically PTing 165+ saying it was difficult and it had weird questions made me question my performance. Although, since this being my last take, I never once thought to cancel.

This morning I checked my score and I got a 160, out performing my average PTs and enough to secure a spot in my top choice school.

Thank you 7Sage for being such a wonderful community and for those who are still on their journeys, find that reason why and once you do, it will keep that fire burning and should make the process much easier and enjoyable.

Good Bye 7Sage.

P.S. 135 --> 160 (25pt improvement) studying on and off over 2 years.

I've been studying for the LSAT for a long time. At this point I have taken it 6 times and not once scored even remotely close to my PTs. In fact, before January I was scoring mostly high 160s, low 170s and got a 157 on the actual test. I wasnt nervous, I didnt have any hiccups, and it did not feel hard. Usually I am a great test taker. Yet I cannot get even CLOSE to my PTs. I don't know what to do anymore. My highest official score is 161 and it is nowhere close to any of the universities I would consider attending.

I don't know what to do or how to explain this outcome.

What do I do??

Anyone have any good advice on how to recognize assumptions better? I feel like a lot of my LR answers are wrong because I can't figure out the assumption.

What a freaking journey!!!! I just wanted to say thank you so much to 7Sage. I received my January score, I got a 164!!!! I could not be happier. Literally a 27 point increase from my first diagnostic exam! Wow! This test prep seriously changed the game for me and I am so grateful! Please keep doing what you're doing. A few pieces of unsolicited advice to anyone currently studying:

Logic Games:

This was my worst section turned favorite. Folks are not lying, it is literally the most learnable section. Put in the work and you will see how repetitive they are. I would do a game of varying difficulty every morning for months like morning sudoku. It worked. I was consistently receiving (-2/-1) after not understanding a thing about logic games before.

Logical Reasoning:

This was second best for me. This section had the most variance in difficulty, but was most interesting to study. All weakening questions are not made equal lmao. But after each PT, I would count the top 3 question types I got wrong and drill those types from the 90s and early 00s prep tests. I would say study the concepts, but mostly practice pays off here. I think you just gain a hunch of what the right answer is after a while and then if you don't see your hunch, choose the next best thing, then pray lol. Oooo also, JY has an AWESOME video about LR, where he makes an analogy about a fruit tree. Questions 1-10 are low hanging fruit, 11-20 are a bit of work and 21-25 are the high reaching fruit. That helped me strategize this section more efficiently.

Reading Comp:

Also known as, I hate everything about this section lol. I tried everything, I read the Economist, psychology and scientific articles, daily meditation lol. But this section to me comes down to prep with a bit of luck. Some passages are just more interesting than others to you on that particular day. The best advice I could give is to FOCUS, do reading comp when you are most alert during the day and convince yourself that you care about what you are reading! When it hit home to me that each passage was literally 4 paragraphs, I was like "OH! This really isn't that much information," I stopped taking notes and highlighting and retained all the info in my head. If there was a definitive structure to the passage, I would make note of that or if I saw an obvious view point, I would highlight. But most things in RC I found were underlying and unstated. This worked for me. I noticed the most jump when I stopped reading to answer questions and started reading just to understand.

Most important thing I did was to try to enjoy the process. This sh*t is hard. Celebrate every win. I kept a folder on my computer of every hard question I got right or a 10/10 on a hard drill or even when I was impressed by how clever a question was. It helped me to build my confidence. Literally you have to nerd out guys and give in to this process. Again, you got this! Your hard work will pat off! See you on the other side. (3(/p)

Went from a 149 Diagnostic in August to scoring a 164 on the Jan Flex!

SO happy with this score after just a few months of on & off studying.

Thank you JY and 7Sage!

I originally chose 'D' as my answer choice but after reviewing it, I can see where I went wrong. The stimulus describes a theory that had been rejected due to lack of proof/reasoning for the occurrence of the event. The stimulus goes on to say that the theory is now accepted despite not having reasoning/proof. But we accept this theory because we can see the event through observation( because of our technological advances).

A) This answer choice mentions the "aim of science". We are not concerned with the "aim of science".

B ) This answer choice mentions a "mathematical description". The stimulus only says "force". We can't assume that "force" and "mathematical description" are related. Or even technology. If we accept that "science has become far more accurate at identifying underlying forces", our stimulus wouldn't make much sense. It could be weaken because they didn't accept Wegner's theory on the basis of force.

C) Eliminated. Technology and measuring instruments are not the same. Even if it were, the theory isn't harder to work out. The author never mentions this phenomenon.

D) "Employing statistics and the laws of probability". No.

E) "When the event a theory postulates are detected" or when we can observe an event..."the theory is accepted without even an explanation" Yes. It is the correct answer and it matches the example in the stimulus.

Please critique or reply with your line of reasoning.

Hi guys, so I applied to around 15-16 schools and so far heard back from 6 and still waiting on 9 or 10 to get back to me. I have to admit, this cycle is feeling very bleak.. so I'm bracing myself for the worst case scenario which is that I receive no other acceptances than the ones I already have.

For context, I am based in CA and would like to practice here in the long run. I am by no means a big law/ federal clerkship or bust type of person, but would like to keep the option open. I would like to work in house at a company long term and go for patent law or healthcare law, maybe even broader IP. I really haven't decided... But that said, right now, I only have UC Hastings and ASU as acceptances. Both have given me decent scholarship and I am very grateful to have gotten into these places. But I need realistic opinions on whether these two schools are good options for what I would like to do in the future and my desire to move back to CA. I am highly considering ASU and their 2019 ABA stats check out, but I've read that they're mainly good for AZ placement. They did place in CA but it seems like most stay in AZ which is great, but it's just not what I'm looking for. So with that, what do you guys think of ASU? Any advice or opinions for my situation? Would it be a good fit or would I have a massive headache trying to get back to CA? I know they recently climbed the ranks like crazy and their 2019 ABA seems to suggest they are trying to slowly place outside of AZ. I take these as good signs but i really don't know lol any opinions/ outlooks would be appreciated. Feeling quite lost rn

Edit: I did apply to schools in CA, but my options are dwindling given that I only have one more to hear back from and it seems like another R to me lol probably should have applied to more CA schools but I didn't anticipate this cycle to be so gnarly. I also know I should probably hold out some hope for my other apps, but I am just so down in the dumps from the past 2 weeks of crappy news lmao

Hi everyone! I received my score today and I'm so disappointed. I scored the same as in November. I'm usually a pretty confident person but after this whole LSAT journey, I have to admit it affected my confidence a lot. Even though I am not satisfied with my test results, I have taken this exam twice. It's time for me to move on from this and concentrate on making the best out of what I got. This 7sage community has been so helpful and encouraging, thank you to everyone who has responded and helped through my times of uncertainty and insecurity. I hope that you all get to live out your dreams and achieve the goals you have set for yourself.

Good luck !!

Hello :)

I feel devastated after seeing my Jan Score and it was 151. I'm actually aiming for 175+ .. actually I'm thinking of cancelling my score. would it be a dig deal if I cancel my score? Do y'all think I can increase my score in 2 months? I definitely think I need more time but my parents want me to take LSAT Asap and finish it with high score but I want to take LSAT after my summer break which is like July or August

What do y'all think? Please vote or leave a comment! How long should I study?

As a Canadian who did her masters from Columbia Uni, I know the grading system between the two countries differ. An 80% in Canada is considered in its A's whereas, an 80% in the United States is a B.

I have a "A" CA average in my undergrad but I am extremely confused how LSAC does converts it over? Wouldn't this bring my average down significantly in the United States system? If anyone can shed some light on this, i'd be grateful!

Thanks!

I was pting 168-173 and averaged 170 on the past 8 pts before I took the Jan flex

My test day score is 9 points below my average. Should I just give up on law school?

I'm just so confused about my score... the test anxiety was really bad but this is no where near my average

How do i cancel my subscription with 7sage?

----> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BP1NnndhE5i6cbuF2GLPetUgzwtr3rUaDfEZuaIJXhE/edit#gid=0

The google sheet I made has every Core curriculum game in it(I believe) and broken down by color for each question type, plus a few games along the way I kept to keep my skills fresh(to the right). Once I started to keep track of the questions and what I did wrong, for example if I missed an inference I would write down the game and what I did wrong and also the inference that I missed, the number of questions I miss dramatically decreased.

I would mark down every game that I had the slightest struggle with or that I did not feel 100% comfortable with. I would also color code the games that I got a question wrong with or went over by 0:45 (red) plus I'd note if it was one question, setup or just slow overall.

I would code the ones I got correct and undertime but did not feel comfortable yellow.

I would code the one I got correct, undertime, and feel comfortable green.

On the sheets if you scroll down you will find the CC games by question type. If you scroll to the right you will see the games from actual exams and games from 1-35. I left some games here to show you how I coded them and put them in descending order, I deleted a bunch because I had lots of inner dialog that was not PG rated to help remember certain things, but the categories are there and so is the color coordination of the ones I got wrong.

I would appreciate that everyone who wants to use it just copy it to there drive to start working on personalizing it so it does not mess up the original.

I also made a list of the LR questions that I would use to keep notes about certain styles(someone deleted my notes working on getting them back) and what to look for on those particular style questions along with a color code system of priority and difficulty.

I also would put words I came across studying that I did not know at the bottom with their definitions.

Lastly there might be a few swear words I did not get rid of...

I hope people find this as useful as I did and kick the LSAT's ASS!

edit:

Where are you at -4? (-15where I started?)

I would keep track of every single game that gave you any sorts of trouble and also note what it was that gave you the trouble: setup, inference, rule, question, ect...

I would start with the games you are somewhat good at I would assume sequencing since that is the common one people grasp first, and I would get these games down then move to the next 'pure' form of a game grouping pure, in/out basic. And work on the fundamentals of those then once you feel comfortable with those branch out on what ever is your worst/give you the most trouble.

Have to know when rules trigger versus when they don't and the 4 groups.

Sufficient

Necessary

Negate Sufficient

Negate Necessary

(I don't think one can go -2/-0 if they do not have a strong grasp of this).

--I would try and get comfortable with as many game types as possible before PT'n because fresh PT's are a non renewable resource. However that said, if you plan on taking the exam in a few months and know you wont take any exam after, then I would start in the 60's. and then jump to the 70's once I start to get comfortable with the LSAT jump to the 80s.

--Drilling: I would do about 4 games per day everyday. I would not recommend too many more than that because then its likely we just burn up games. At first I would do 2 new games from PT 1-35 and as I got closer to -0 around --4/6ish (depending on score goal & time frame)I would start PTing

--Do not be afraid of redoing games you've done before, as long as you do not specifically remember the inferences and answer choices its okay to keep redoing the games. if you do happen to remember the AC's put that in a new category on the google sheet or color code it so you know to come back. I have learned that the LSAT implies the same tricks 95% of the time and once you have the bones of the structure you can build any style structure.

----timing help make many if not all of the critical inferences up front(try to) or at least be aware of them if they need to map them out for a question. Learning when to split I think is more of an art form I normally stick with the general rule less, game boards than questions excluding the acceptable situation question. Tune your approach to you, you know yourself the best. I normally do a partial spilt on pure grouping because I personally hate them more than any other game type.

-- super important to combine rules into chains and see what comes from that, always push the new rules up to the old rules and see if any inferences drop out.

---Keep track of the words that indicate different style games such as:

--sequencing will normally use words like--before, after, ahead, behind, IN front of, between; these normally indicate sequencing. Selecting, placing, combining, are going to be grouping games.

--Paring groups Xs & Ys together is likely going to be a double layer sequencing. matching witnesses to police interviewers or another dreadful one books to bookshelves.

--only having two categories is going to be in/out EX. I have 2 floors and I have to select which employees are going to be on which. Or the once dreadful (some will get it) assigning photographers to two different schools, or doctors to 2 different hospitals. In out is a grouping game, however it is a grouping game with only 2 groups. A common inference in this style game is once one category is full then all the other pieces have to go into the other category and the common correct ACs in the piece that makes one category too full, or a game piece always has to be in the same category.

---grouping---placing pieces into categories EX bones to time periods

---once you are able to identify the games quickly it allows you to setup the game board fast and in turn makes you faster in LG.

---keep going back to old games that gave you trouble.

--start watching/tracking question types that you should look at all the answer choices before starting to eliminate ACs because many times its a super obvious AC. or look for ACs that should be tried first you do not need to eliminate A first and so on eliminate (or try to) pick ones that look suspicious. EX on sequencing a common trick they like to employ wrong ACs is by having followers in the leader spots and the leaders in follower spots many sequencing questions/games employ this and it is easy to spot once you're made aware and this increase the chance of a correct answer and the speed at which you can get through questions.

grouping they like to ask which piece must be in or must be out, is easy when you know the

A----->/B (both cannot be in)but they can both be out --fail sufficient rule falls away

A/---->B( both can be in) but both cannot be out.

A(---)B forever together

A(---)/B forever apart

((((if this does not make sense keep going through the CC or go back to the CC)))))

---if you get to a game and the setup is giving you trouble Skip the game. this is one of the best lessons I have learned. SKIP SKIP SKIP move on get the low hanging fruit then come back and you'll be more relaxed and see the game from 'fresh' eyes. especially when first starting out because you'll be slower generally.

--- do not (force yourself) to not let the past question affect the next question and do not let the last game effect the next game. chances are if you struggle with the game many other people will too, and the other games will make up for that or the curve will.

--Be honest with yourself, do not give yourself little cheats here or there because those will be crutches and you won't get those on the exam this is true when drilling in a less extent but this is mandatory when practice testing.

--Blind review is the biggest advantage on the LSAT you can give yourself. take it just as serious you are taking the actual exam, this is where you will notice (if done properly) mistakes that you make undertime make sure to keep track of them so you can work on them and not repeat them. this is true for every section of the exam.

--I have more of a math oriented brain so LG came way easier than RC. that being said find things to do in the off time to increase you analytical skills: sudoku, rush hour,(try and get the odd color block out through a particular spot by moving all the other blocks around it)apps/games order/number sequences, of shape matching/finding the similarities between things in pictures or words. Doing these style games will workout the part of the brain LG calls on. I found these games to be super fun when I was a kid, maybe that is why I like LG.

---Positive Attitude is key. If you go into games with 'ughh this sucks' or 'ill never get this' 1) it'll make studying that much worse. 2) you will start making stupid mistakes and the cycle will repeat.

---Burnout is real, take breaks when needed. I learned a panful lesson on this, 2 hours of quality studying beat 6 hours of mediocre studying---many hours wasted, and it just compounds on itself.

You got this I believe it, you have already taken the initiative and spent the money, You can do it!

-Kole