Does anyone have any insight on the upcoming lsat test? LSAC says it will take place as planned but with schools shutting down Im concerned that this could impact testing.. what do you guys think?

Hi all,

I recently finished my undergraduate career with a 3.75 GPA from a T30 institution and have been studying the LSAT with consistent scores between 162-5. At my undergraduate institution I was a record holder and captain of an NCAA athletic team, on the student union, and had a leadership role on my campus's environmental relations board. In addition to my extracurriculars I interned for a Native American tribe's legal counsel specifically working on advocacy of policy.In addition to my internship work I studied in The Hague and studied international law with my university teamed with Leiden. I am currently planning on taking a gap year. My question is with my current statistics does anyone have any suggestions of law schools with good international and Indian law departments or with a mission statement which would understand my niche in legal experiences?

Thanks all!

Hi, I just wanted to post about the problem I am facing with the site and the app, which keep showing me a blank screen with a message "the requested URL was not found on this server." Please help. It keeps happening especially when I go to my study schedule.

On the digital LSAT, do we have scrap paper throughout all sections including Reading Comprehension? Thanks

Lets just say you finish the LSAT and you know you are going to take it again

Should you study in between the time you take it and the time you get your score? Like an hour a day? Should you use this time to do retakes just to keep mind fresh and not "forget" any material? Or should you just take a total break and not do anything until you get your score? What has worked for yall?

Hi guys,

I just thoroughly analyzed my June 2007 timed PT (my first timed full PT). I went -3 in one section and -4 in other LR section.

It looks like for maybe about 5 of the 7 questions I got wrong, I got them wrong timed because I missed a key word or distinction from the stimulus or the answer choice.

How would I go about addressing this? I'm already planning on taking the 5 top priority question types and drilling them and doing a confidence drill to see if I can shave off some time in the questions that I was underconfident on. I ended up circling around 14 questions per section for BR and probably about 5 questions per section did not need to be BRed (lack of confidence),where I got those right the first and during BR. If I don't go back to these 5 questions per section, perhaps that will give me more time to focus and look for the missed key word or distinction for the 5 out of 7 questions I got wrong.

Thoughts? Thanks!

Longtime lurker and first-time poster here,

I am scheduled to take the April LSAT assuming Coronavirus doesn’t get it canceled and I’ve been studying exclusively with 7sage since October. I work full time so I just completed the core curriculum this past week after going through every single video/problem set. After completing the CC and watching the 'Post Curriculum Study Strategies' video, I decided to take PrepTest 36 today to see if I was anywhere near my goals even though I know drilling is recommended.

Surprisingly, even with this being my first practice test after CC and my second practice test ever, I scored 156 timed and 158 BR. The 156 is an improvement of 12 points from my diagnostic and less than 10 points my overall goal of 165 for the actual test.

If I understand correctly from past forum questions, my next step is to religiously drill. My percentage breakdown on PrepTest 36 was:

-58% LR

-88% RC

-88% LR

-30% LG (big sad)

I did CC in order so my LG exposure has been very limited to this point and I understand it is my biggest curable weakness. I’m wondering if any sages/members of the community have ideas on which types of games and what sort of LG drilling I should do at this point to bring my LG up to the 60% range in a month.

Another question I have is that I had originally been intending to take the April LSAT as a practice run then sign up for the summer circuit of June/July/August as my serious takes. But now, my goal of 165 seems attainable if I study rigorously for the next month. Is that actually the case or is the transition into the 160s a lot more difficult than I think?

And a final question, if I’m serious about the April take, should I start doing more recent practice tests? My original plan was to do 36-42 before the April test but should I do something like 78-84 instead to reflect the increased difficulty of recent LSATs? Also, I’m just guessing 6 tests is enough but I’m also not sure about that and would love any recommendations on how exactly I should prep for this final month.

I hope this isn’t too long of a post, thank you from a recent CC graduate who is very overwhelmed by the PT world.

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Hi guys,

I just finished the CC and took a diagnostic June 2007 timed PT. 160 timed and 170 - 174 BR. My target is 172 - 175.

I also just finished BR'ing, watching the videos, and doing some careful analysis. One question that I am still having trouble on is the following:

I usually do a first pass of an LR section in 25 minutes. That leaves me 10 minutes to go back to questions that I circled to try and answer them before the time is up. At this point, I usually have about 3 questions unanswered and probably about 10 total questions that I circled for BR.

My question is... after my first pass, when I have 10 minutes left, how do I know which exact question to turn to for maximum benefit? I would assume that it would be the lowest hanging fruits. So far, I've just been going back to the first circled question and working my way up.

Thank you!

Hello. I have 2 questions. How can I add a 5th random section to my PT? I want to simulate the actual lsat with 5 sections.

Also, once I already took the PT , can I delete the results so I can retake the same exam?

Thank you.

Was just wondering how long the site will be experiencing technical issues so I can get back to studying. I've found that I can still watch the video lessons, but I can't do the problem sets because they won't load due to the error.

Hey guys!

So my lsat journey has been crazy a lot of ups and downs. I have been studying for the lsat for about 3 years on and off, I was never consistent. I would study one week for 5 days, then the next week, 3 days then so on. I would take months off because I was discourage, honestly I had a fixed mindset. I spent so much money for lsat preps. I was ripped off from Kaplan, I signed up for test masters twice, and I bought the power score books, I did so much.

I will not blame the lsat courses because it depends on me. Throughout my 3 years, I feel like I know the lsat, the questions, patterns, and the approaches. It’s not like, I didn’t learn anything at all. I actually learned a lot. This is my last shot. I withdrew my apps last year due to my lsat scores. I have everything all ready. It is just the lsat.

So my last two scores were 133-June 2018, 138-June 2019. I signed up for 7 sage in feb. I can honestly say this time is different, I have been consistent for 5 weeks straight, I’m focusing on the fundamentals, doing the blind review, and beasting on the problem sets. 7 sage has far been the best course I took out of all of them.

I don’t know if I’m deceived, but I believe I can increase my score by 20 pts this time, if I keep being consistent and work hard. So I would jump my score from a 138 to a 158. I guess my realistic goal is to get at least a 150 but I don’t want to settle and I don’t know if that score will compensate my gpa. The lsat is imperative for me to get in to law since my gpa in undergrad wasn’t all that.

So guys, with your honest oppinion, do you think it is realistic for me to get at least a 158 on the upcoming June lsat? Or am I just dreaming and having an unrealistic goal? If so, how about a 150? Like I said previously, I truly have been going hard this time and I notice the improvements.

Please respond with advice, study tips and most importantly be honest.

Thanks,

Louie

Hi.

I had sent a request for an LOR to my professor and by mistake wrote "For school X" in the description. She uploaded the LOR. I want to use that LOR for all schools. So I sent her another link with "for all schools" in the description. Now my recommender cannot upload it since she is only allowed to upload one LOR. Is there an option for her to delete/ rescind it?

I cannot find the option of deleting it so that I can resend her the link.

Please help!! Deadline in less than 48 hours!!

Can someone help diagram the question below? I'm having a lot of trouble wrapping my head around it.

Manuscripts written by the first time authors generally do not get serious attention by publishers except when these authors happen to be celebrities. My manuscript is unlikely to be taken seriously by the publishers for I am a first time author who is not a celeb.

I diagrammed "except" the same way I would diagram "unless".

not CELEB --> FIRST TIME AU OR not SERIOUS ATTN

When I looked this up, the CORRECT diagram was:

not CELEB --> not FIRST TIME AU OR not SERIOUS ATTN

My first question, Why is it: not FIRST TIME AU?

Second, I'm having trouble diagramming the parallel argument below for the same reasons:

"Fruit salad that contains bananas is ordinarily a boring dish unless it contains two or more exotic fruits. This fruit salad has bands in it, and the only exotic fruit is a guava."

I diagrammed this as follows:

not TWO OR MORE --> contains bananas OR boring

But the correct way to diagram it is:

not TWO OR MORE --> not contains bananas OR boring

Why?

I'm missing a lot of symbols on my account, including:

The symbol to mark questions for BR and the color them button. This has been happening for two days now. It's causing me to not be able to mark any questions for the BR

#Help

Not sure what the issue is but the preptests no longer have the option to cross out incorrect answers as I'm filtering through the options. I never had this issue before today. Is this change reflective of the actual lsat or is it a technical issue? If it's a technical issue how do I fix it?

For those that have taken nearly all or just quite a lot of LSATS, which were ones that were particularly difficult to you? maybe a random low score in the midst of a bunch of consistent high ones? I know differences in difficulty between exams should be balanced with the curve, but I expect even the test writers arent perfect. Which ones were ones that gave you all trouble/low scores?

I started studying for the April 25th LSAT in mid-February. My diagnostic in Feb was 149 and after a month of studying I have been scoring 157 consistently on my PT's. My goal is to score 165 in April. My biggest issue right now is timing. I am still only completing 3/4 games and passages on LG and RC. My accuracy is pretty good though. Does anyone have advice on how to improve timing? Thanks.

Also, I've used the LSAT trainer and I'm practising using the Powerscore workbooks right now.

Hello everyone!

I applied to four law schools for Fall 2020. One denied, three waitlisted.

My LSAT scores were 140, 145, 143. Two days ago I withdrew my applications for financial purpose. I'm kind of regretting it and wish I'd stuck until the end. But with my LSAT scores, I feel that I was bound to be denied anyway.

I have not been able to focus and study as much as I wish I did for the last three - life, work, etc. happened. I'd like some advice as to how to better study for the LSAT. I still work full-time (8:30a - 4:30p) and have evening an part-time job four times a week. I'd like to score in the 170s, but I'm not sure if that's any possible. Looking to re-applying in a year or two (hopefully). Any advice? How many hours a day should I be studying? How many times per week?

I'd like to get it on my fourth LSAT. Never too late, right?

I thought I understood the direction of argument lesson but I just took a timed section and found myself going back and forth when I saw MSS questions. I kept getting confused on whether or not I should look for the MP or a answer choice that strengthened the argument, can someone explain?

Hey everyone! I'm just starting to seriously study for the LSAT and I was just wondering if you guys had some advice on how to start? How many hours you'd recommend per day/per week? I have the powerscore bibles and I'm starting by reading them but yeah, any recommendations would be amazing!

I'm going to spill some tea for folks, and you may not like it.

If you want to get over 170 on the LSAT you have to be prepared to get 23/23 on the Logic Games section of the LSAT. Mathematically this is an obvious statement, after getting a perfect score on any one section of the LSAT means you get more leeway for error on the other sections of the LSAT for your target score. Assuming a -10 curve, if you perfect Logic Games that means you get to distribute 10 wrong answer choices across the three other sections. It becomes a far more manageable task! But why logic games? Why not focus on RC where there are 27 points, or the LR sections which account for 50% of the test? There's reasons for that.

#1. LG is learnable

LG is the most learnable part of the LSAT. I have seen students at all levels get to a point where they are able to consistently score perfect scores on the LG section. This is because of the nature of the section themselves. Unlike LR where you are at the mercy of the creativity of the LSAC writers and RC which can pull from an almost infinite amount of material across a wide variety of subjects the logic games have stayed fairly consistent through the history of the LSAT. The way games and rules are constructed, the approach to solving them, the patterns that are formed and the way inferences can be generated are actually fairly limited and the way we tackle games from LSATS in 1999 has not really changed from the way we tackle them today.

#2. Performance on LG is consistent (for the most part)

If you master logic games, chances are you will be able to replicate your performance repeatedly. The traits that you need to be able to master games in practice easily transfer to test day because as we discussed in point 1, the build of logic games sections is actually fairly constricted. Granted you can still get hit by the dreaded miscellaneous game but if you have prepared well you should have already encountered and conquered multiple miscellaneous games in your preparation and would be nonplussed by their appearance. Contrast that with RC which varies in difficulty not only by passage type, passage subject but also in the difficulty of the questions that are asked. And in LR where performance is dependant on juggling between being precise and being decisively quick. LG is where you should be able to easily translate your practice performance to the real thing.

#3. LG performance as a morale booster

LG is the one section in the LSAT where your own feelings about how you performed in the section tend to correlate quite nicely with your actual score. The nature of the questions allows you to be fairly confident when you hit the right answer. If you walk away from the LG section having completed every game and question you can be fairly confident that you scored 23/23. That is positive momentum you can take to the rest of the test. By contrast we all know when we under perform in the LG section, we either fail to finish all the questions or we fail to 'get' a game. If we walk away from the LG section knowing we underperformed we may feel even more pressure to do well on the other sections and the impact on performance can be negative. It is thus imperative that we excel at logic games.

So perhaps I convinced you that it may be a good idea to try and master the logic games section. How do we actually do that? Well a tried and true method, that is common across almost everyone I've tutored who has achieved logic game mastery is that they fool proofed the games. For more on that strategy click here https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/fool-proof-guide-to-perfection-on-logic-games/ . Of course I'm not just going to write a big build up for logic games success without giving you a few tips of my own. Read on for those!

Beyond Full Proofing

One of the reasons we full proof games is to improve our ability to recognize inferences. We can do that through strict memorization of how the inferences developed within the given circumstances of our game but that won't necessarily help you out in the future. What we are better off doing is recognizing how those inferences were formed. What did we do to draw them out? Did we concentrate on rules which were inherently powerful in how they affected the game board? Did we focus on spaces which by the nature of the rules was inherently restricted? Did we draw out the possible outcomes rather than focusing on prohibitive ones? If your study of the logic games focuses on patterns of inferences, and why you made them rather than on the inferences themselves your study time will pay far greater dividends down the road.

There are sometimes more than one way to tackle a logic game. Don't be constrained by your initial approach, or even JY's approach. You will learn more from a game if you try to tackle it in multiple ways. A game that may have seemed an obvious choice to split, may prove even easier if you just tackled it by approaching the questions head on and vice versa. Doing this will also help you better prepare for scenarios where perhaps you missed a key inference that would allow a split or perhaps, if you are not comfortable with splitting, would allow you to split a game you wouldn't have necessarily thought to split in the first place. Getting the right answer is not enough, you want to be able to get the right answer using multiple possible approaches.

Your performance on a logic game hinges on your setup. Lots of folks speed through this process because they never really practice it. When they start full proofing, the setups get better because of the prior knowledge one gleans from having seen the game before but the ability to actually properly perform a setup escapes them. You must allow yourself enough time in your setup to do the following:

1. Understand what the game is asking you to do

2. Understand the optimal way of diagramming the game

3. Understand the key game pieces and positions which the game hinges on

4. Understand how the rules interact with each other

5. Understand whether you should be splitting the game or attacking the questions

Ideally as you full proof you will develop your own process as to how to make sure all those things are checked off. A tutor can be really beneficial here as they can provide you their own process for doing just that!

The best test takers are intelligent in how they tackle the questions. Just like the overall approach to games can very, the approach to tackling individual questions can also vary. What you want to do, at all times is question whether your approach is efficient. Ideally you want to do the LEAST amount of work possible to get to the right answer choices. When you are full proofing always ask yourself if you are being efficient. Some things to consider in this space:

1. Why is the LSAC asking this question? Is it to test an inference? If so, have you already made it? That may be the right answer! ( Ask this if you encounter a global MUST BE TRUE QUESTION)

2. Have I done any work on previous questions that can help me answer/eliminate some of the wrong answer choices?

3. Have I properly separated the contenders and non-contenders before I start making diagrams?

4. Is there a way to distinguish contenders from non-contenders that I have overlooked? (I can write an entire separate post on how to do this, but this typically requires some thought on what the question is looking for and what the answer choices are providing in response)

Getting to -0 on Logic Games may seem like a daunting task. Lots of students have achieved it though, and not all of them were Logic Game naturals. For the longest time, Logic Games was my weakest section. I managed to overcome that weakness to score a -0 on Logic Games on my LSAT. You can do this too if you focus on the right things! The information above should help you get started on that journey!

Hey everyone, this question has probably been answered but will I still be able to upgrade my current ultimate course to the ultimate plus course after the 29th of March? Or does that option no longer become available after the 29th? Thanks!

Has anyone encountered this? My last note doesn't show. It is just a link to the section of the program. I deleted that and tried to just input words and the same thing happened.

Hi there,

I spent end of 2018 + most of 2019 going through Powerscore, Manhattan, and other LSAT books. I got into 7Sage toward the end of 2019 with the Ultimate subscription, and I recently finished the core curriculum with all of the practice sets. Previous to 7Sage, I probably took about 10 PTs untimed and timed.

A while back, I remember taking a diagnostic, which was around 158 timed (170 BR). My target score for the LSAT is 170 - 175. I just took the June 2007 LSAT to see how much I improved from my previous score, prior to 7Sage core-curriculum. Mainly just seeing if the BR score jumps up.

But I am pretty worried about my progression... I have been watching webinars and listening to 7Sage podcasts to hear that, many of the sages took 30 - 40 timed PTs prior to maxing out their scores.

If I use that as a benchmark, with 1 PT per week, I won't get there until September - November of 2020. That puts me around the October 2020 LSAT to aim for. But is that too late?

Right now, it looks like I spend about 20 - 25 hours per week, with timed PT on Saturday and Monday - Thursday dedicated for BR, MM, and FP. Friday is dedicated to look at archived problems that I had trouble with. I know it may be silly to focus on the total number of timed PTs, but should I change my current approach somehow to fit in more than 1 PT per week?

Thank you!