Hey all, I hope everyone did well on July test! Unfortunately, I'm a bit stumped since I did poor on one of the LR sections. For those of you who had an LG experimental, were the following questions real or experimental?

In addition, does anyone recall if the nutritional deficiencies question was the 2nd question of the first or second real LR?

Hey ! . I had a moment today while studying and I just wanted to seek some more advice . So I am currently still learning logic reasoning by question type. I’ve completed mbt, mss, strength and weaken questions . Yesterday as I practiced my untimed strengthen questions I scored 14/16 . Feeling on top of the world I said it’s time to do a mixed review timed of all the question types I’ve learned thus far . Unfortunately I scored 5/12 on just the mbt and a few strengthen questions. I gave myself 5 full minutes to get these answers correct and I didn’t make myself feel bad for not complying some outside of the 5 minutes. However I did worst. Does this mean I still don’t understand the question types ? I haven’t done more than the first 20 PTs but I’m concerned that I need to do something different or is it just the process ?

What do you think?

Also is there anyone who has logic reasoning packets that can help me study by question type ??

"I Like It" is the song of the summer. Don't believe me, believe NPR: https://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs/2018/06/21/622103234/our-2018-songs-of-the-summer

Now that you're totally convinced, sing along!

Now I like reading, underlining

Comprehending sh*t, I’m shining

I like helpful test-day proctors

Front or back page? Where we signing?

I like J.Y.’s explanations, they really really rock

I like timing LSAT sections, spin the bezel on my watch

I like Blind Reviewing tests, like I get a second chance

I like proving LSN wrong, I'll go where it say I can’t

They call me Cardi. Bardi. LSAT study.

Print and copy, drinking coffee

Hotta then a Somali, writing notes, can’t stop me!

Hop outta school, open my books

Bubble answers with my No. 2

Fool proofing logic games, hard as I can

After law school I’ll be driving a Lam’ ;)

Told my friends I'm sorry though

'Bout LSAT, can’t party, bros

Yeah they call me Cardi Bri, I train LSAT like cardio!

Be sure to check out my Soundcloud!! LOL JK I defs do not have a Soundcloud. The only reason I would ever post such a thing is because my identity is 99% anonymous here :)

I couldn't get my mind off today's LSAT so this was my way of decompressing and having a little fun :) Hope ya'll enjoyed!!

Hey all, I am currently in the process of signing up for CAS Credential. During my undergrad, I double major in Cognitive Science and Sociology. How should I categorize "cognitive science?" It is an interdisciplinary subject. Is it a social science? or natural science? Either category does not have the major listed. Should I just go ahead choose "social science" and "psychology" instead? But I feel that would be a distortion, should I choose "other"? Thank you so much!

Hi Everyone,

I've been out of school for about 5 years now. I graduated with a BS + MS in Accounting and have completed the CPA examination. After college I worked for a large public accounting firm in a pretty selective practice group doing financial advisory for some of the largest investment banks in the world. I developed a great relationship with one of the Partners in that group and he will be one of my letter of recommendation writers.

I do know, however, that there is a preference many schools have for academic letters of recommendation. I've received two of those as well, one from a finance professor I TA'd for and another from my University's business school dean.

Originally my plan was to use all 3 letter of recommendation. However, I've noticed that some schools actually restrict you to just using two letters. So my question is, which two should I use? Is the preference for academic letters so great that it would be detrimental to use the letter from my professional recommender? I felt that given the experience I had the professional letter would help set me apart a bit. But now that for some applications I may have to choose just two letters I'm not sure if I should use the two academic or use the professional one with one academic?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

I guess you can say that I am starting out. I'm going to be testing in November and more than likely January as well. I decided that September was unrealistic. We can get a small group going where we can all work on problems together and help each other get through this madness. I feel really optimistic about this exam and believe we can do well. Feel free to contact me here or look me up on Instagram. My name is LawSkewlProbs on IG. Hope to hear from some of your soon.

This is so stupid that I did this, but I forgot to register for the September exam. The deadline was yesterday. Do you think I could call someone? What are my options? What could I possibly do? I am so stressed right now

I know it's possible to adjust the speed of the videos, but it doesn't work on my mac laptop. I've tried both chrome and safari. Suggestions on what settings/software needs to change?

Hi,

I am taking the September LSAT and have taken about 8 practice tests thus far and have been between 157 and 160 on all of them, however my BR is much much higher, as High as 169. This is especially true on LR, where I am normally -5-8 and BR -1-3. I have about 40 days left and would love to score around 162-165. Is this possible and what is my best course of action.

For the love of all that is holy please tell me how to skip questions. I can skip like nobody’s business with LG but I never skip any LR or RC question. I always finish my sections but I think this is really inhibiting me from getting higher LR scores because I sink the most time on hard questions and I’m noticing in BR that I’m getting a ton of easy ones wrong to make up for lost time. Any advice? #help

Hello everyone,

I am currently going through the CC, and I am having major difficulties with the parallel questions and the necessary questions. For the parallel reasoning + flaw questions, I do understand the answers for the easier questions but as they get more difficult and implement Formal Logic, my brain gives up on me. I’m having GREAT difficulty in translating lawgic to English. And I have no idea how to improve. I tried going back to the logic sections and I understand those lessons,but I really stumble with translating when I see real problems . Also for necessary assumptions, I just don’t know how to solve these problems. I understand what kind of answer I have to look for, but every time I see a new problem, I feel like I’m not understanding what I have to do fully.

Please give me any advice ! Thank you so much everyone

Hello everyone, currently freaking out from yesterday's LSAT. Probably just in post LSAT stress but I am currently fearing for the worst. Heres the run down, I usually score really well on the LG sections, like finish with extra time and miss 0-2 questions tops. This has helped me consistently meet my goal of 170 and higher on my PTs. However, yesterdays daunting LG games destroyed me, it was none of the practice LG's I had seen and I had done a good amount of PT's. I felt so bad once the section ended that I swore my only saving grace was if it was experimental, it wasn't. I couldn't even finish it in time and honestly can't remember if I bubbled in the 2 questions I didn't get to. I remember marking so many as ones that I needed to go back on to check which I rarely have to do in PTs. I am trying to get into a T14 so this 170 is crucial. I felt pretty good on the other sections but you never really know. I had a mini panic attack when I found out this LG wasn't experimental and I don't want it to cost me my chance of a T14 since some average LSAT scores or need good reasons to accept the second score. Should I cancel? Or am I just being paranoid?

Hey everyone, I am having a hard time with Flaw Questions. I know we are supposed to memorize the common argument flaws but that is where my struggle is. I am very much a visual/example type of learner. When going through the flaw types I realized it would really help me to understand and memorize them if I had examples. So I have been going through PTs and Drills that I have done trying to match them up with the flaw types and could use some help. Some I am able to easily match up to the type of flaw and others I am not. I have listed the different types below, some have specific question examples and then underneath I have a list of questions I need help matching. If anyone knows of any specific PT questions that match up with the other flaws please let me know so I can add them to my list. I hope this can also help others that struggle with flaws.

Flaw Types with Example Questions

1) Attacking the source of the argument

PT19S2Q14 *Thanks keets993

"rejects a claim by attacking the proponents of the claim rather than addressing the claim itself"

PT25S4Q04 *Thanks keets993

"assails legislation on the basis of the questionable character of supporters of the legislation"

PT39S4Q11 *Thanks keets993

"diverts attention from the content of the article by focusing on the writers' actions"

2) Uses terms unclearly/equivocation

PT25S04Q17

"The argument ambiguously uses the word "afford""

PT53S1Q12 *Thanks keets993

"ambiguity of risk"

PT22S2Q24 *Thanks keets993

"draws a conclusion based on equivocal language"

3) Analogies that really aren’t analogous enough

"It relies on an analogy between two things that are insufficiently alike in the respects in which they would have to be alike for the conclusion to be supported"

4) Appealing to authority in an area outside their expertise

5) Causation confusions

PT47S3Q23

“It takes for granted that if a correlation has been observed between two phenomena, they must be causally connected”

PT30S2Q25 *Thanks keets993

"because hormone levels are correlated with heart disease they influence heart disease"

PT47S1Q23 *Thanks keets993

"ignores the possibility that an increase in theta waves may not always be accompanied by a state of profound creativity"

PT18S4Q9 *Thanks keets993

"It mistakes a correlation between the type of brain damage described and Parkinson's disease for a causal relation between the two"

PT39S4Q20 *Thanks keets993

"overlooks the possibility that the same thing may causally contribute both to education and to good health"

PT20S1Q10 *Thanks akistotle

"ignores the possibility that drivers who drive recklessly have a preference for red cars"

PT20S4Q14 *Thanks akistotle

"It concludes that one thing was caused by another although the evidecnce given is consistent with the first thing's having caused the second"

PT30S2Q25 *Thanks akistotle

"Because hormone levels are correlated with heart disease they influence heart disease"

PT31S2Q9 *Thanks akistotle

"offers no evidence that the individuals queried would have responded differently had they been asked the same questions in years prior to the survey"

PT64S1Q5 *Thanks akistotle

"dogs' misbehavior is the cause of, rather than the result of, frequent discipline"

PT65S1Q8 *Thanks akistotle

"illicitly infers a cause from a correlation"

PT66S4Q25 *Thanks akistotle

"foods containing fiber also contain other substances that, when consumed, tend to prevent colon cancer"

6) Circular Reasoning

PT17S2Q2 *Thanks keets993 and akistotle

"draws a conclusion that simply restates a claim given in support of that conclusion"

PT17S3Q20 *Thanks keets993 and akistotle

"assumes what it sets out to conclude"

PT6S3Q8 *Thanks akistotle

"It assumes what it seeks to establish"

PT24S2Q8 *Thanks akistotle

"presupposes the truth of the conclusion it is attempting to establish"

PT49S2Q23 *Thanks akistotle

"The purported evidence that it cites in support of its conclusion presumes that the conclusion is true"

7) Confusing necessary and sufficient conditions

PT63 S1 Q25

“infers that something that is sufficient to provide a motive is necessary to provide a motive”

PT22S2Q25 *Thanks keets993

"confuses a sufficient condition with a required condition"

PT17S2Q11 *Thanks keets993 and akistotle

"It mistakenly interprets P to be claiming that a factor assures, rather than is necessary for, a legislator's effectiveness"

PT17S3Q9 *Thanks keets993

"does not establish that only a bird could have made the track"

PT18S4Q3 *Thanks keets993

"Grass seeds will not germinate well unless they are pressed firmly into the ground. The grass seeds sown in this yard were pressed firmly into the ground, so they will germinate well"

PT22S4Q21 *Thanks akistotle

"presupposing that if an action's having a certain property is necessary for its being a certain type of action, then having that property is sufficient for being that type of action"

PT23S2Q19 *Thanks akistotle

"taking the nonexistence of something as evidence that a necessary precondition for that thing also did not exist"

PT23S3Q17 *Thanks akistotle

"mistakes being sufficient to justify punishment for being required to justify it"

PT24S2Q23 *Thanks akistotle

"From the assertion that something is necessary to a moral order, the argument concludes that that thing is sufficient for an element of the moral order to be realized"

PT30S4Q14 *Thanks akistotle

"It mistakes something that is necessary for its conclusion to follow for something that ensures that the conclusion follows"

PTJ07S3Q25 *Thanks akistotle

"confuses a condition's being required for a given result to occur in one case with the condition's being sufficient for such a result to occur in a similar case"

PT64S1Q24 *Thanks akistotle

"confuses a claim that under certain conditions a certain action should be taken with a claim that the action need not be taken in the absence of those conditions"

PT67S2Q09 *Thanks akistotle

"treats a statement whose truth is required for the conclusion to be true as though it were a statement whose truth ensures that the conclusion is true"

PT68S3Q21 *Thanks akistotle

"takes for granted that the speech could not be inappropriate if it was not inflammatory"

8) False dichotomy

PT22S4Q09 *Thanks keets993

"treats two things, neither one of which can plausibly be seen as excluding the other, as though they were mutually exclusive"

PT39S4Q26 *Thanks keets993

"Since there is a storm moving in, the outside temperature cannot rise this afternoon. Therefore, it must fall."

9) Confusing probability for certainty

"It takes for granted that the economic incentive to construct colonies on the Moon will grow sufficiently to cause such a costly project to be undertaken."

10) Confusing "is" for "ought"

11) Percentages v. quantity

"Far more pedestrians cross at corners than jaywalk"

12) Surveys and samplings to reach a general conclusion

PT 63S1Q3

“It relies on the opinions of a group unlikely to be representative of the group at issue in the conclusion”

PT51S1Q4

“fails to state the number of dermatologists surveyed, which leaves open the possibility that the sample of doctors is too small to be reliable”

PT31S2Q03 *Thanks keets993

"Those who are best able to provide answers to the question are patients, rather than physicians"

PT39S4Q21 *Thanks keets993

"that there may be few if any other plumbers working in Moore's town"

13) Hasty generalization

PT51S3Q6

“draws a generalization that is broader than is warranted by the findings cited”

PT30S2Q13 *Thanks samantha.ashley92

"Treats a claim about what is currently the case as if it were a claim about what has been the case for an extended period"

PT39S2Q2 *Thanks samantha.ashley92

“draws a conclusion about all cases of a certain kind on the basis of evidence that justifies such a conclusion only about some cases of that kind”

PT18S4Q25 *Thanks keets993

"He attempts to refute a general claim by reference to nonconforming cases, although the claim is consistent with the occurrence of such cases"

14) Experiments to reach a general conclusion

"playing the study's card game perfectly requires fairly low levels of perception and memory"

15) Your argument fails therefore the opposite of your conclusion must be true

PT47S1Q8

“takes for granted that the fact that a claim has not been demonstrated to be false establishes that it is true”

PT51S1Q15 *Thanks samantha.ashley92

“the argument, in its attempt to refute one theory of species classification, presupposes the truth of an opposing theory”

16) Relative v. absolute

PT 53S1Q22 *Thanks keets993

"mistakes a merely relative property for one that is absolute"

PT 85S3Q24

"takes for granted that there are not significantly more households with a dog than ones with a cat"

17) Confusing one possible solution for the only solution

"Confuses being an adequate solution with being a required solution"

18) Red herring

PT26S2Q11

"it appeals to the emotion of pity rather than addressing the issue raised"

PT18S4Q11 *Thanks keets993

"relies on an irrelevant reason for rejecting the civil libertarian's argument"

-PT18S2Q04 *Thanks keets993

"He argues against a point that is not one that Marianna was making"

19) Tradition fallacy and novelty fallacy

“fails to show that a certain conclusion of the recent report is better justified than an opposing conclusion reached in older studies”

20) Confusing part v. whole

"To put together this year's two All-Star Teams, the best players in the league were selected. Half of them were put on Team One, and half were put on Team Two. Since each player on the two teams was one of the best players in the league this year, it follows that the two All-Star Teams are the two best teams this year."

I also describe this is as 'falsey transfers attributes that can't be transferred' *Thanks keets993

PT17S3Q19 *Thanks keets993

"Of all the flowers grown in the university's botanical garden, the Oakland roses are the most beautiful. Since the university's botanical garden is the most beautiful . Since the university's botanical garden is the most beautiful garden in the region, the Oakland roses grown in the garden must be the most beautiful flowers grown in the entire region."

PT17S3Q16 *Thanks keets993

"assuming that because something is true each of the parts of a whole it is true of the whole itself"

PT62S2Q7 *Thanks LCMama2017

"This paragraph is long. So the sentences that comprise it are long."

21) Beliefs v. facts

22) Relies on people's opinions as fact

"a claim is inferred to be false merely because a majority of people believe it to be false"

Match the flaw

PT47S1Q23

“ignores the possibility that an increase in theta waves may not always be accompanied by a state of profound creativity”

PT51S1Q6

“It fails to take into account that what brings someone happiness at one moment may not bring that person happiness at another time”

PT51S1Q18

“overlooks the possibility that most people may have voted for small cities even though a large city received more votes than any other single city”

PT51S3Q4

“fails to consider that the total amount of money spent on education may be much greater than the total spent on sports”

PT51S3Q9

“fails to consider the possibility that the vehicle related fatality rates in other areas are also rising”

PT67S2Q9

"treats a statement whose truth is required for the conclusion to be true as though it were a statement whose truth ensures that the conclusion is true"

PT67S2Q21

"the argument fails to consider that bees might be present even in the absence of a particular condition that would ensure their presence"

More added by @samantha.ashley92

PT30S4Q8: "The argument presumes that no other evidence is relevant to the issue at hand"

PT30S4Q14: "It mistakes something that is necessary for its conclusion to follow for something that ensures that the conclusion follows"

I went online to pay for the test today and realized I have missed the deadline for the September exam. I just only decided on pursuing law school two weeks ago and have since begun 7sage curriculum. Is the November test too late to use to apply to Top 50 schools? My GPA is not great (2.8-3.1) but my diagnostic exam had me at a 160 and my most recent had me at a 165. Any advice welcome:) Thank you!

I saw that D was the right answer but why is B wrong? Thanks!

Admin note: edited title

Hi,

I was hoping to ask for advice from those of you who have experienced and have got passed a160 plateau.

I started studying for the LSAT in May and my initial diagnostic score was a 145. My last five recent PTs are 159, 159,162,160, and 160 and my blind review score average is around 170. After I do the blind review I get almost all LR right, maybe except one or two questions, and same goes for LG. But I still get around 5-6 wrong on RC. My goal is to get a 165 and I am writing the test in September.

My average incorrect answers in each section is as below:

LG: -4

LR: -5 each

RC: -8 (I am an ESL student so at best I have to spend 3:30 min on each passage)

Right now I am doing three PTs a week and I do BR after each plus I am still fool proofing more rare/mapping/pattern games.

Since I got almost the same score in my last 5 PTs I have started questioning the effectiveness of doing only PTs followed by BR. What I am not sure about is whether doing PTs is going to increase my score or should I still do more drills and work on my techniques.

Thank you :)

I took the test today. Needless to say, not feeling good. I already cancelled once. This was my second take. I know I did poorly. The deadline to sign up for September is in 45 minutes. Is there any downside to waiting until November? At this point I’m not sure if it’s for me, even though I want to try one last time. I made great improvements but today was just... off. Logic games were nothing like what I was prepping. Was constantly getting -5 max and I’m lucky to have gotten 10 right today. Any help appreciated. Not sure if I should keep the dream alive or get my masters in teaching starting this September.

#help I’m about to start method of reasoning questions. However, I’m not sure if I missed a particular lesson with the different types of arguments that may or may not be expressed.

For example: if the question uses argument by analogy I know the form because it was literally the first question we went over in the curriculum.

I was wondering if there were a list of different argument types so I have some idea what what I’m looking for.

I’m worried because when I tried to do these questions before viewing the video, they turned out to be difficult partly because I did not know what I was looking for.

Yes I understand these questions are heavy in referential phrasing, but from what I understand is that other companies give you a list of different argumentation by analogy, wisdom of the masses, over generalization and so and so forth. So I was wondering if there was a complete list of method(s) of reasoning.

Thanks

Chuggin’

Hey Guys, so I know JY had a blind review session on the reading comp and other sections. Is there a way for me to retrieve the webinars for this blind review?

Also, where can I go to get the video explanations/discussions for PT 84?

Hey everyone.

So I just took the July LSAT, and it really couldn't have gone worse for me. I was retaking a low 170s score, hoping for a 174+. I figured a retake was in order because I scored well below my PT average in June, and I made silly mistakes on LG.

With how poorly I feel I did on July though, I'm really contemplating cancelling my score and sitting for October/January. My test order was LR LG LR LR RC, and almost everything went wrong.

The first LR section was abnormally difficult for me, and I only finished with 4 minutes to spare rather than my usual of 8-10 minutes. I could easily see myself going -3/-5 for this section as there were several questions where I could not find a correct answer choice.

LG was my second section, and it went terribly. LG is already my worst section, but I misread a rule on the first game which caused me to waste precious minutes on trying to find my error. I was flustered for the rest of the section and I didn't have time to adequately address the fourth game which was a monster of a circular game. I'm guessing easily -6/-10 on this section alone.

Although RC is usually one of my best sections, I had RC as my dead last section and I was pretty tired/extremely demoralized from my performance in LG. I usually go -1 for RC, but honestly I could see myself going -4/-5 for this RC section.

Honestly, it feels like I'm going to go -14 to -20 for this exam, which would put my score well under what I scored in June. How bad does it look to have such a huge score regression? I'm so incredibly frustrated right now -- I take all my PTs in strict timed conditions and my average is mid/high-170s but I feel like I'll never actually score that high when LSAC decides to throw twice-a-decade curve ball questions at my head. As it stands, this exam is looking worse than my first ever post-cc exam, and almost as bad as my diagnostic.

Hi,

I was wondering if the CC problem sets for Ultimate+ account include all the RC, LR sections from PT 1~36.

Hi, friends. I took the July LSAT. I left rather despondent, but, hey, it was my first time. I decided I am going to try and retake it in September. Luckily, I discovered that TODAY is the last day to register for this exam. Also, if anyone has any words of wisdom in how to approach my studies between now and the Sep. test date, that would be great. Thanks!

So I came across a previous posting on 7sage regarding topics and circumstances that are appropriate for an addendum:

https://classic.7sage.com/admissions/lesson/when-to-write-a-non-required-addendum/

However I wanted to seek out clarifying advice for my situation as it refers to a cancelation and not cancelations.

I took the LSAT four times, the first receiving a score, second was a cancelation, the third was a four point improvement from my first score, and my fourth take will be my second cancelation.

The two cancelations we’re under the circumstances of finding out about my parents getting divorced shortly before, and the second cancelation will be due to my aunt’s death two weeks ago which I know with certainty affected my performance to the extent that my score will not be an improvement.

I am not leaning towards a fifth take as I’m sure it wouldn’t look good and there is no guarantee for an improvement. But should I even bother writing an addendum for two cancelations regarding the circumstances?

Thank you all for any help/advice.

Hey guys!

Here's the official July 2018 LSAT Discussion Thread. Please keep all discussions of the July 2018 LSAT here!

We know that everyone will be excited to discuss what was on the July 2018 LSAT, but here are some ground rules:

:warning: Don't mention specifics about the test! (e.g., "I got B for question 6" or "the 3rd LG was sequencing")

It can get both us and you in a lot of trouble!

:warning: Saying that the test was hard/easy is okay, but anything more specific is not okay!

:warning: The only exception: you can say which sections were real or experimental. For example, asking questions like “Was the LG with "flowers" experimental?” is okay. You can say “The LG section with "flowers" was real!” But you cannot say “the 3rd game of the real section was In/Out game.”

TL;DR: PLEASE don't talk specifics about July 2018 LSAT!

Have fun discussing!

Hi everyone,

So I've finished the CC, took a PT to see where I'm at and, like lots of others, was disappointed in my score. My BR score is about 6 points lower than my goal score.

At the suggestion of other 7sagers, I am doing the following in no particular order:

My question is, should there be some sort of order to this studying? This may be too much, but I'd really love to create a schedule of what to study when, when to take PTs, etc. Without a schedule, I feel like I'm wasting possible opportunities for better understanding.

I would love to hear what sort of schedule/plan you're following if you've got one.

Thanks!