Hey 7Sagers, I'm leading BR calls for PT 83 (December 2017 LSAT).

There will be 4 sessions total. 2 for S1.LR and 2 for S3.LR.

All sessions will start at 7:30p ET and end at 9:30p.

Multiple sessions are meant to accomodate people's schedules and to reduce class size per session.

What happens in these sessions?

I'll ask students to state which questions were circled for BR. We'll work through the questions the group nominates. I generally try to ask students questions to elicit the right response. Please wear headphones and try to be in a quiet place.

How should I prepare?

Take PT 83 and have the questions you'd like to BR ready. The first thing I'll ask everyone is which questions they'd like to BR.

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Obtaining PT 83

If you have an Ultimate+ account, you will be able to view and print PT 83 under the Syllabus. You can also purchase PT 83 as an add-on to your existing course here.

Past Sessions

3/4 Sunday - Section 1 - LR

3/5 Monday - Section 1 - LR

3/8 Thursday - Section 3 - LR

3/9 Friday - Section 3 - LR

Hi everyone :)

I was wondering how important you guys think it is, to have either interned or worked at a legal firm or other legal institution before applying to law school?

Is it a particularly weighted factor in admissions or is it totally fine if you haven't had such an experience?

I have spent my undergrad years so far volunteering at various community impact organizations and working for a non-profit. I always thought I would just get to the legal interning and whatnot during law school and undergrad could be a time for me to get these different experiences.

I am asking this now because if it is truly an important factor for admissions I will try to get a legal internship over this summer, since I plan to apply to law school in October.

Thank you!

This is a random question... but can your designated pre law advisor at your undergraduate institution see or access your materials? Recommendations, test score, and things like that.

I understand that (c) is a better answer choice than (b), but I couldn't rule (b) out either. Isn't the direction of public policy out of scope with regards to the stimulus? Is there something in the passage that I am missing here? Many thanks in advance!

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Hey guys, has anyone been successful in obtaining a deferral request and can share some advice about writing the request letter? I'm applying for personal reasons, not academic or professional ones, if that matters.

My LSAC account just updated to say that score cancellation date change to tomorrow... does that mean an earlier release?

We all know that for "without" "unless" "except" and "until", we're supposed to negate one of the ideas and make that the sufficient.

"I will not get a scholarship without studying" = No study -> No scholarship

But there are situations where that translation method seems clearly incorrect. For example:

"I sleep without wearing a shirt."

Does this mean If No Shirt -> Sleep? Clearly not, yet that's what happens if we negate "wearing a shirt" and make it the sufficient. I submit that the correct way to diagram the sentence above is:

If Sleep -> Not wearing shirt.

This is the correct meaning of the sentence, and yet it is the reverse of what the ordinary method would produce. Why does the ordinary translation method fail in this example?

Also, consider the following sentence:

"I do not sleep without wearing an eyemask."

The ordinary translation method does work for this one: If not eyemask -> No sleep.

What explains why the ordinary method fails for "I sleep without wearing a shirt" but works for "I do not sleep without wearing an eyemask"?

Also, consider these examples.

"No one will become a great physicist without going to Harvard"

No Harvard -> Not great physicist

That one is pretty straightforward, and the ordinary method works.

"One can become great lawyer without getting a 180 on the LSAT.

This one does not appear to express a conditional relationship between "great lawyer" and "180", and in fact expresses the ABSENCE of a conditional relationship -- getting a 180 is not required to be a great lawyer. But the ordinary method would have us translate this to "Not 180 -> can become great lawyer." The contrapositive of that idea is "If one cannot become a great lawyer, then one got a 180." That seems very wrong.

What explains the different ways we treat the two examples above?

I'm wondering how other applicants who've been out of school for a while have addressed this section. The prompt is as follows:

"If it has been more than three months since you attended college, describe what you have been doing in the interval. You should include graduate or professional education, paid or unpaid employment, as well as any other activities that you consider relevant. Please answer this question separately from any information provided in a résumé."

The word "describe" suggests this can take a narrative form. Which is the approach I took, providing roughly half a page of single spaced paragraphs, describing my 6 years since graduation.

My concern is, there are portions where I describe why I changed jobs/roles/industries (instead of just saying "and then I started at...x"). For the most recent career move, I cite the reason being a desire to serve the public interest by practicing law, elaborating briefly on the process, saying that I took a few months to research career paths and meet with friends who work in prosecution, advocacy, and public policy before committing all my time and resources to LSAT and law school preparation

My concern is if that last bit would be out of place on this submission? Is it providing more that what is asked? Should it instead go into the personal statement?

It is technically describing how I spent my time, but it also elaborates on my thought process. I'm just hoping the latter isn't misplaced.

I've been offered one full ride from a school I'm less interested in and a couple of generous aid packages (appx $45k/year). But even with $45k per year, it is outrageously expensive. Another school is interviewing me for a full ride. I've informed the Admissions departments of the various offers already. Does anyone have specific advice on how to wring that last $13k or so per year out of them? Many thanks.

Hey all,

After circling around the idea of law school for years, I finally settled on it last week. My cold diagnostic was 163, I'd like to be in the 170s by the time I test.

I'm also currently on a Fulbright and living in a very rural area of a developing country, so I have very inconsistent wifi and a lot of priorities that don't involve studying for this specific test (I'm teaching full time and organizing a national conference for youth here, please hit me up if you have suggestions for where I can find $12,000 to rent a venue and fly kids in from all over the country....). I don't want to ruin my grant year studying, but this is also the time it makes the most sense in my life to do it.

I suppose what I'm asking is two-fold-- one: do I take the LSAT in June (keeping in mind that I'd be flying to another country in order to take it then, so I do have to plan ahead, but my life from now to June is as not-busy as it's gonna get this year versus in September when I know I'll be swamped with conference stuff)? Two: do I take the LSAT (and thus apply) at all this year?

I'm willing to put 10-20 hours a week into studying, and much of that I can do from the teachers lounge (meaning: finding solid chunks of time to do full PTs is going to be my main struggle). I just don't want to ruin my grant year studying if I'm not going to be able to pull my score up 10 points, but I don't want to delay application if at all possible. I'm committed to improving on the LSAT, but I don't want to ruin my present with a narrow minded focus on the future.

For what it's worth, my cold diagnostic showed -6LR, -11LG, and -3RC. I know LG are supposedly the most learnable part of the test, and I've purchased the LG bible and am watching the videos and things are clicking a whole lot more (oh man, diagrams! That's how this is done!)

tl;dr: can I improve 10 points in time for the June exam if I'm studying 10-20hrs a week with limited internet access?

Thanks!

Does anyone recommend the Power Score Study schedule?

Hey Everyone,

I'm new to 7Sage, (a friend who went to T14 law school referred me) and I'm wondering which course is most worth it for me. I started studying for the LSAT last July, and took the December test even though I knew I wouldn't score high... regret. I had first paid for an expensive online course called Blueprint cause it looked light and doable... it was close to useless. Recently since January I got the powerscore books, just finished and have seen a lot of improvement (though my attitude has also changed about the whole test as well, which may have helped quite a bit). So, since I'm not a beginner, is the Starter course not worth it? I already have all of the preptests, I just want to perfect my skills and get more tips, cause I need to get high 160s or 170s. I usually score high 150s or low 160s on my PTs. Also, I saw the starter course has tests 35-44 but I already did 3 of them... so what do you guys think and did the extra stuff in the other courses give you the extra boost or was the core curriculum enough?

I'm supporting myself right now, and quite low on funds, but if I'm sure that it will do the trick I'm willing to invest...

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-35-section-1-question-02/

As for this question, could someone please break down the argument structure for me? i'm slightly confused with the 2 sentences that both look like possible conclusions.

Hi,

I was interested in knowing what people think about the LSAT Trainer as a supplementary resource for logical reasoning questions. Would it be worth the investment?

Thanks!

So, I want to take the July 23rd LSAT which is in roughly 5 months. I would like to get a 170. Received a 155 on the December 2017 LSAT, and am waiting to see what my score on the February 2018 LSAT was.

Doing lots of PTs is a tip that I have heard consistently on how to get a higher score. However, the time I spend doing PTs (and then blind reviewing at least the LR section) is time away from the CC - as of 02/24/18, I am only on the MSS section of the LR section of the CC, so very, very early on.

I keep going back and forth on what would be more advantageous, and would appreciate some advice on whether I should:

or

I believe option 1 will have me do more PTs between now and July 23rd.

As an aside, I did a prep test the day before the February 2018 one and got a 141, which really makes me think that my 155 in December was just a stroke of luck. So I am interested in taking the path that will maximize my chances at a 170 (or as close a score to that as possible).

To add to my "case," I have done the RC & LR Bibles, and have done maybe half the LG Bible.

June'18 Study Group | Blind Review PT 56 | Tuesday, Feb 27th | 7:30 pm EST

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I hope you're ready or gearing up to start PTing for the June 2018 LSAT. Join us this Tuesday if you are finished with the CC.

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Note:

For everyone: take the PT under timed conditions; BR as you are able on your own; then join us for all or part of the call—everyone is welcome.

Note: For the purposes of the call, we like to check our group blind review score together at the very end of the call :) So at least don't say ... "No guys, really, it's D, I checked it.” KEEP THE CORRECT ANSWER TO YOURSELF. Win the argument with your reasoning.

These groups work best when folks from ALL stages of prep and with all different goals join in! Not just for "super-preppers" and definitely not just for the casual LSATer (does such a person exist?).

The only expectation anyone has for these calls is for you to have fun and ask questions as you desire. We are just a bunch of LSAT lovers who gather via GoToMeeting and intellectually slaughter each test.

Enter any questions you wish to go over on the spreadsheet below!

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Hello 7sage club,

I've noticed in my last three PT's a weird pattern. When I do my first LR, I'm stuck getting -8, but then I'll do a LG section or RC in between before I do my second LR section and on that section I'll get -5, which is the lowest I've gotten on LR so far. Especially when I do RC, then do LR, it feels like running with weights(when I do RC), then running without weights (when I get to LR again). It's both encouraging that I've gotten my first -5 but also I'm wondering if this is not just a random pattern, and I should do some RC-style reading before I take a PT. Wondering if there are others that do some sort of mental startup before they do PT's or if I'm slowly going insane trying to make sense of inconsistencies.

Thanks,

L

Hello everyone ,

I am currently in Chicago and I am working as a teacher. However, I’ve discovered this may not be the route to allow me to make my best efforts for law school in studying for the LSAT. I’ve decided to quit because I am not happy. However, I’ve only been out of college for almost a year (graduated last spring ). I’m not sure what’s a good part time or even full time job for me to get that will allow me time to study . I’ve looked on indeed.com and other sites but it’s been so hard finding anything . If anyone has been down this road before or has any advice on what I can do to meet my financial requirements (basic bills such as phone, car note , and insurance) I would be so greatly. I know this is the right choice but if I can avoid stressing this entire time about money I know I can raise my score .

Now I'm very confused about "attacking a premise"

JY mentioned that LSAT weakening answer choices never provide plausible evidence that is incompatible with the stimulus.

However, negation, denying the relationship, is actually attacking a premise.

Did I miss something?

Apparently Fafsa is using our 2016 tax return this time around as opposed to our 2017 return. Is that right?

In my why school X essay, I have mentioned specific research topics for several professors because they are in a field that I am interested in pursuing. These are not topics that are mentioned in the school's website; I had to do some research to find them. I don't specifically mention their published papers in the essay, but I did get the information from reading their papers. Do I need to document those sources (the papers) in the essay? I searched the discussions but haven't seen anything on this. I don't want to look silly, but I certainly want to credit where I found the information to avoid any kind of plagiarism. Thoughts? Also, on another essay, I have stated specific statistics; do I need to document where I found those? If so, would a footnote work? Any help is much appreciated... Thanks!

I recently watched the "Post CC Strategies" webinar and something that he had mentioned as apart of the first phase of taking PTs is that we should be going back to the curriculum as we are studying our BR answers. I recently took a practice test, BRed, and now there are a handful of questions that I got wrong and need to review. I normally just watch the videos and review where I went wrong, and then move on to another PT. This isn't working for me, I want to dig deeper.

My question is - how should I be reviewing the CC while I'm taking PTs? For example, I missed a Necessary Assumption Q. Should I go back through the entire NA lesson or just watch the broad lesson videos (before specific Q examples)? Or should I be drilling and while I'm drilling, what should I be looking for?

Right now this concept seems super overwhelming so I'm wondering if anyone can share their strategy. Thanks!

Also.. what is a cookie cutter review????

I am about to switch to bubbling in groups. After each RC Passage, LG Game, and before I turn the page for LR. For some reason this scares me. For those who have switched, did you have this initial irrational (or maybe rational) fear? Was there an initial step backwards before you saw the gains? Did you see gains? And if so how much time do you think this saves? I will go into the laboratory (aka my desk) to see how it suits me, but I would love some thoughts too.

Can someone post a link where I can get some info on these things beyond LSAT/GPA?

The admission curriculum has been super helpful to me and has undoubtedly increased my chances of admission to many schools this cycle. I definitely recommend it to anyone who wants to perfect their applications. (A huge thank you to @"David.Busis" and his team). I have one suggestion that I think would make it even better-- a section on scholarship negotiations. What is the proper protocol regarding timing and how to frame your "argument" for more money? What are comparable schools that make it appropriate to use money from one school to ask for money from another? Who do we contact? What do we say (in other words, do we explain that we deserve the money or that we have gotten better offers elsewhere? At what point is reiterating your qualifications and contribution to the campus redundant from your application?) How much emphasis do we put on money being our decision making factor without sounding ungrateful for being admitted? I know technically the curriculum is focused on admissions, but I personally think scholarships play a huge part in the process.

Just a thought! On that note...does anyone have any input on this? Definitely planning to ask at least one of my schools for money within the near future, but I do sort of feel like I'm shooting in the dark regarding how to do this.