Hey friends,

This is just a lil encouragement post for those of us who may have been underwhelmed by our LSAT performance, and anyone reading the boards who is thinking about joining 7Sage.

When I started studying for the LSAT over the winter, I was dead-set on taking the June exam, ace-ing it, and being admitted early to Harvard (a girl can dream). I've always been kind of type A, and sometimes I get discouraged when I'm not immediately the best at something. However, I quickly realized I wasn't ready to sit in June, and began studying nearly full-time with 7Sage in March. I have this to say: the community here, from the instructors to the other students, has completely changed my mindset. I'm learning to trust the process, and to take absolute ownership for my own study habits.

In high school and college, I loved trying to blame a professor or the test if I didn't do well. When I walked out of the LSAT in September, regardless of how shaken up I was, I just kept thinking that the test was incredibly fair. When I got my score last week and it wasn't quite what I wanted, I was disappointed and truly shaken up for a couple of hours, but then immediately mapped out all my options. And I realized: the absolute worst case scenario is that I don't start law school next fall. And if that's my biggest problem, I'm going to be just fine.

I guess I'm probably not explaining this too well, but I wanted to say that the 7Sage community and program has totally changed my outlook, for the better. I am more patient, I am more logical, and I am more willing to work as hard as I can for an end goal I believe in. BIG thanks to everyone who has been encouraging, supportive, and knowledgable. I hope everyone else in the same boat is able to find some peace with their own outcomes as well----it's gonna be ok!

Hello!

I wanted to ask if anyone knew of any reputable application consulting companies that offer need-based discounts. Spivey's $300 per hour is well out of my affordability, and I've seen that many LSAT tutors/companies offer discounts for individuals who qualify for the LSAC fee waiver.

The $600 unlimited edit option from 7sage looked attractive, but it appears to be sold out and I'm looking to have everything submitted within the next three to four weeks.

Thanks for the input :)

Edit -- now I'm realizing youre supposed to waive your right to read the letters.

so do I ask 2 professors who I was very friendly with often went to office hours and helped the profs with outside of class things and took 6+ classes with each, but didn't necessarily take the classes seriously,

or 2 professors who I took 2 classes with, didn't really know them on a personal level, but went to some office hours, really tried in class discussions was always on time to class etc and got 100% on many papers...I feel like they might write I don't really know her but she did great in class. These were both upper division classes, one of which was for my major.

The one that was my major -- I got the only 100% on the midterm after having to miss 2 weeks (had to tend to a sick fam member in a diff country and handle funeral arrangements etc), the prof was really impressed. The one that wasn't my major I had to drop the class but she was very sympathetic and understanding and she had agreed before to write me an LOR.

Re the professors I was friendly with but didn't try too hard in class -

Was wondering if i could get some feedback a PS idea i have been mulling over.

A little while back i participated in a cycling race/marathon to raise money for a camp that helps terminally ill children and there families.

Its 180 miles in mountainous terrain, it took 5 months of prepping and conditioning.

Aside from working my butt off to raise a couple grand for the camp, i really wanted to place well during the event and i got kind of lost in the competition.

I wanted to write about how the minute it took to get from the entrance of the camp after 180 miles to the finish line, seeing these kids waiting for us to cross that line completely changed my perspective on what i had spent the past 1/2 yr prepping for and has significantly affected me today.

Majority of those kids wont live to reach the age of 18 but the appreciation and hope i saw them and there families exhibit when we crossed that finish line has had an immediate and lasting effect on me.

This experience helped me realize that i want to spend my life making a difference in others, wherever that will lead me in the law field.

Thoughts?

Can someone verify whether my conditional diagraming of the statement and its negation are correct? I get confused...

Not all hierarchical organizations operate in the same way: HO -> /Operate same way

Negation: HO -> Operate same way

Thank you in advance! :D

"All that is needed to save the koala is to stop deforestation"...

How would you write it as conditionality?

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SAVE KOALA --> DEFORESTATION......? (Since ALL indicates sufficiency whereas IS indicates necessity)

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I am getting confused because of this LR question where I need to pick an answer choice that contradicts the statement written above. The correct answer is "deforestation is stopped and the koala becomes extinct", which is not a negation but a contrapositive of "SAVE KOALA --> DEFORESTATION". How can it be a contradiction when it is just a mere restatement of the stimulus?

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This is from PT2.S2.Q11

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Thank you in advance

Just finished watching a webinar by @"Cant Get Right" regarding what to do once you have finished the core curriculum. I was fascinated at the concept of confidence drills because I seem to spend a lot of time beginning of the section. I almost never finish a section on time - particularly LR. The webinar recommends doing some sections with a kind of reckless abandon in order to modulate your confidence on questions. Eventually you'll be able to see how much confidence you feel you need on a given question to get it right without eliminating wrong answers. However, I was wondering if anyone had any insight on how to do confidence drills or where to start. Is it wise to drill easy questions under-timed pressure? How much time would that be? Would it be better just to go through the 1-16 clean PT sections and just figure it out there instead? Any thoughts would be helpful. Thanks again to everyone!

Also, here is a link to the webinar about what to do once you've finished CC. Very useful and insightful information here

https://classic.7sage.com/webinar/post-core-curriculum-study-strategies/

I just wanted to make sure my idea on weaken is correct.

Let's say we are given A-->B....

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Can I Say "A(O) B(X) = Even when A was present, B did not appear" and "A(X) B(O) = Even when A didn't happen, B still did appear" to weaken [A --> B] ??????????

So I'm in my final semester in undergrad and I'm considering taking a class pass/fail, I know the LSAC GPA calculator doesn't penalize you for this, but do admissions officers at elite law schools frown on it? I've never taken a pass/fail class before

Dear 7sage diary,

I just took PT 68. Holy moly, those last two logic games were quite something.

Haven't done any BR for the test yet so don't spoil too much.

Anyways, I remember complaining about my drastic score drop after taking PT 70. My score for this test (68) is now a one point improvement from my highest score; therefore, a drastic improvement from the most recent score of PT 70.

From this I learned that proper sleep and pacing through each question (meaning not rushing through the first 8-9ish questions as if they afford that kind of treatment) is more ideal than before when I would speed through while sleep-deprived. I didn't get to a couple questions each LR section, but I tend to skip those parallel reasoning questions until I have time. If not, I would just guess based on stimulus concluding word strength. So I'll probably work on those too.

It's quite irritating though. I'm currently spending a huge amount of time on full proofing, but this PT threw me curveball LGs. I ended up not getting to finish the final game. I scored like -7 on this LG section. If only I had gotten -1 or 2 on LG and scored one and/or two each on each of the other sections, I'd break through to my target score.

Overall, can't complain. I only just started full proofing 3 weeks ago and this has been my most successful PT. 1 point increase is a blessing tbh. Feels like I'm doing something right.

Hopefully I can get to a 7 point increase by hopefully Dec or Feb.

Sincerely,

Me.

How was the LG experience for you in PT 68?

I diagramed the stimulus as follow:

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Conflicting behavior organization --> More pain and distress

Conflicting behavior organization --> Animals resist --> Less efficient

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My question is I don't understand why (E) is correct. I feel like (E) negates the sufficient condition to state the answer, which is an error.

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Somebody please help! Thank you!!!!!

I did my first fully timed LR section today since the Sept test. I created a simplified skipping strategy...basically there were ones I knew and ones that confused me. I skipped the ones that confused me as soon as I realized I was spinning my wheels (total 4 questions). I finished the section in 25:43 (okay so sue me it's not exactly 25/25) which gave me AMPLE time to go back and address the ones I was confused on. I was able to tackle one of the 4 no problem but the other three still gave me pause. After struggling with them for roughly 10min or so I finished up and graded the section. -2 total.

My question is when you go back to the questions you skipped over in the initial 25 in 25 phase (had a rough answer but were not 100% on) how do you approach which ones you tackle first? I kind of skipped back and forth between all 4 because I was too scared to get entrenched in one and run out of time for the other 3.

Is there a method to identify which problems I should address first? Should I just go in order until I solve them and keep E bubbled for the rest if I don't get to them?

What font size do you use for your personal statement?

I have read some posts recommending about using font size 12. But, is it okay to use the size 11? (if there is not requirement from the school).

It is extremely hard to accomodate my thoughts in 2 pages with font size 12..

What are you thoughts?

Hey! Yes, that's us. The 18 percentile-40 percentile peeps. Let me tell you, THIS SUCKS. Let's get it out there once in for all- THIS SUCKS- but guess what? You can either take it and leave it as is, or regroup and retake, perhaps more than once..or twice. I graduated summa, took on all programs law school related as possible. President of this, senator of that..and then BOOM- LSAT SCORE. I got a 146 and thought that was bad. Sure enough, I got waitlisted/denied to the schools I thought I would get into. Then, I thought to myself it's fine I GOT THIS, and took the September. Well, turns out I magically lowered my score to a 142. I already signed up for the December, since I really just want to score a 150 and I'll be very happy. This is fine, however, the real question lies on what I'll be changing. What's the new game plan? Well, for starters I signed up for 7Sage (powerscore didn't work for me, obviously - but I know people who did amazing so I guess it just depends), I'm taking PT's and I'm putting in the time. Think to yourself, did I do the best I could? Should I try a new study plan/method? I hope I can make the 150's mark for the December, but I can already see admissions committee having a heart attack over my scores. We'll see what happens but just know we're on the same boat. Good luck to you, you're not alone.

So I took an online Powerscore course from August to September in prep for the December course. Since taking the course, I've decided to push back my test date to February. I've also been foolproofing the LGs from PT 1-35 and and working on LR/LG sections. LG-taking a while but slowly seeing improvement. LR struggling much more than I want to... I inputted the past 11 PTS I've done into analytics and I'm avging -6. My analytics tells me I need to brush up on weaken/strengthen, flaw and assumption questions. I'm at this point where I'm struggling to figure out whether I should enroll in a 7sage minimum course to have access to the core curriculum re LR. Problem is I don't know how different it is from PS's curriculum seeing that I've looked at some excerpts on the 7sage blog. Is it worth it to spend more money? Or will the real improvement come from doing more PTs and BRs?

Would appreciate any and all help. Also would appreciate any tips on how others have made major improvements in LR.

Hey guys! I have a quick question. I am applying to law school in Georgia, and I got into a rear-end car crash a year ago. No one was injured and the damage was minimal, but I was cited and paid a fine. Do I need disclose that? Thank you so much for your help!

It would be really helpful if the custom study schedule generator allowed you to input the number of PTs you wish to take before test day rather than just including every single available PT in the schedule. While I agree the more PTs taken the better, I feel that because the generator includes every PT available in the scheduler (at least for Ultimate+ members) it makes for inaccurate/unrealistic study schedules for the core curriculum content. It would be cool if there was a feature to generate a study schedule of just the CC with the option to include however many PTs a person would like to take during their preparation; like 15 or 20 for example.

If this is already an option someone please fill me in!

Thanks!

#7SagerRager

Hello! First, wanted to say how much I've appreciated this community. Haven't said much, but through prepping and then waiting for the LSAT results, watching this forums has been a great help.

I wanted to get thoughts about a possible diversity statement. I had never really considered myself diverse. I'm kind of the staple for what being non-diverse looks like (straight, white, male, middle class). But going through the admissions course on 7Sage, it really emphasizes that diversity can look a lot different than is normally considered and one of the main examples they go with is whether someone was homeschooled. Which I was.

So I wrote a diversity statement and my main point was that being homeschooled taught me that even though I don't always have surface-level commonality with people who experienced a more traditional educational experience, there's always a commonality that can be found by going deeper. Example I give: playing on the golf team for my local public school.

So, two questions:

Thoughts would be great! Thanks!

Goal: To further refine my process of elimination (P.O.E.) and answering skills for LR by building a crowd-sourced taxonomy of techniques.

How you can help me (and all other 7Sages): Contribute your favorite(s) below. Be sure to mention...

Here are two examples:

EXAMPLE A:

EXAMPLE B:

The more people that reply, the better we'll all get!

You've seen his explanations in the curriculum, and now's your chance to bring your questions to him. Ask him about specific questions. Ask him about strategies. Ask him about staying cool under pressure. Ask him what to do if you missed the deadline on your tax extension. Whatever question you've got, he's likely got your answer!

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Hi all,

I studied abroad via a popular US program run out of Butler University in the United States (IFSA-Butler) [http://www.ifsa-butler.org/for-alumni/transcript-information.html]. I though that, since Butler University is a US institution and was issuing a US transcript, LSAC would accept these credits as part of my undergraduate record.

Has anyone had success with IFSA-Butler specifically, or with other study abroad programs in general?

Many thanks!

Wondering if anyone know how long it generally takes for spots to open up in the Admissions course? It looks like all of them have been sold out. Fault's on me for being a late-bird :(

Edit: Already sent an e-mail to reserve a spot

Hi, all. I'm curious to get your input about how you evaluate answer choices (ACs) on LR. Specifically, comparing the pros/cons of the two strategies below. If you're a "Sage" or have strong feelings on this topic, then I'm especially interested in hearing from you.

(1) Top-to-Bottom: Regardless of question type, start with reading A, decide to eliminate or keep, then repeat D-E. Finally, after process of elimination, selecting the best one among the remaining ACs.

(2) Scan-and-Select: Depending on question type, scan the ACs for what you think might be the correct one, read and evaluate, then repeat for the remaining ACs, always going from "most likely" to be correct to "least likely".

Of course, I have my own thoughts on both approaches, but for validity's sake, I don't want to bias your opinions one way or another. Here are some more factors to consider, as well:

So, what do you all think? Do you use one strategy over another? Do you use both, but under different conditions? Thanks in advance for anyone who has something helpful to contribute.

Here's a great post at powerscore.com that explains how September's LSAT was more difficult than June's for high scorers, but far easier than June's for average to below average scorers.

http://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/the-september-2017-lsat-scoring-scale-analyzed?utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=57444776&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9YsWvkZwoBU7uqV0AwolOxJJa2yDrG4qra5WqLKaYiBdh_FywEDiNXhOEinnxVYYVX64E-ssLE1JHh8-g68trlQ-jmtw&_hsmi=57444776

When I first started studying for the LSAT, I was just a regular guy managing a coffee shop who decided he wanted to go to law school. I started in about the high 140's range and eventually scored a 176 on the September 2017 LSAT. No matter where you started or what mistakes you've made along the way, I've almost certainly been there. I'm not a natural at this, I know the struggle, and I believe with all sincerity that if I can do this, essentially anyone can. So I hope you'll join us Friday to ask me anything!

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